2021-02-11 GnuCash IRC logs

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07:16:45 <warlord> Ok, I really need to find an automated way to reset my hardware when it gets into such a locked situation. :(
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08:34:32 <chris> jralls_a_ we should deprecate the 'canonically-tabbed option in legacy reports. any objection?
08:35:20 <chris> maybe warlord has opinion on this as well
08:35:48 <chris> (eg in classic/legacy balance-sheet display tab)
08:35:58 <chris> ^ parent-account-subtotal option
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09:06:19 <warlord> chris, what does the "canonically-tabbed option" do?
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09:12:00 <chris> warlord: it displays parent subtotals, experimental "textbook-style" without any further differentiating feature. from david montenegro, never explained it well.
09:12:53 <warlord> Hmm. I do think it is "important" that one can copy-and-paste the HTML and load it into Excel and have the columns "work out".
09:12:59 <chris> "if 'canonically-tabbed,
09:13:01 <chris> ;; account total entry labels will be placed at the position
09:13:03 <chris> ;; specified by accounting texts (indented one column from
09:13:04 <warlord> Beyond that, I don't have any strong opinions.
09:13:05 <chris> ;; the accounts being totalled, two columns from where
09:13:07 <chris> ;; gnc:html-acct-table would otherwise place them). the
09:13:09 <chris> ;; default is #f.
09:13:42 <chris> it's not about C&P, is about the exact location of subtotals
09:13:51 <chris> never graduated out of 'experimental' stage since forever
09:14:06 <warlord> Oh, it's not a released feature?
09:14:13 <warlord> Ask on -user to see if anyone is using it.
09:14:37 <chris> I did, nobody bothered to support it
09:14:54 <warlord> Then yank it.
09:14:56 <chris> YSK: f6b1637e
09:15:02 <chris> \o/
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09:29:59 <chris> ahhh also: income-statement.scm searches Closing Entries using old-style string search rather than KVP flag
09:31:01 <chris> ditto equity-statement.scm and trial-balance.scm
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09:36:50 <chris> warlord, try this for size: https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/gnucash/report/html-acct-table.scm#L363
09:37:21 <chris> I'm 99.9% sure they were *trying* to be helpful
09:37:28 <warlord> Is there a scrub to ensure "old" closing transactions have the KVP flag?
09:38:12 <chris> nopes
09:38:56 <chris> gjanssens would vote that we have a cleaner scrubbing API with menu items and feature flags
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10:26:27 <warlord> IMHO, if there is no guarantee that older books have the newer data, then removing the 'search by string' code would just break people's data/reporting.
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14:25:43 <AdrienM> chris, when did you ask -user about textbook-style? I just searched the archives for the last year and don't see anything on the topic. (just curious) Is there something broken with it, or was the 'experimental' tag just not removed?
14:30:30 <AdrienM> I just played with it a bit, and indeed, it is broken. It seems to tab the next higher level account the same as the previous subtotal line.
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15:43:39 <fell> warlord, here is a qestion for you: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/User_talk:Avma
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16:13:33 <warlord> fell, I have no idea what feature/extension they want
16:19:59 <jralls> Maybe the one we were talking about here last week, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation?
16:20:50 <jralls> Discussion started at https://code.gnucash.org/logs/2021/02/02.html#T15:37:47
16:23:58 <warlord> Ah, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Extension:ContentTranslation
16:29:01 <warlord> Looks like there are a bunch of other extension dependencies...
16:37:34 <warlord> Actually, looks like only VisualEditor is required; all the others are optional.
16:38:03 <warlord> Oh, and ULS
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18:46:15 <fell> Avi had at first problems to get the writing RTL.
18:49:44 <fell> The german wikipedia is using complex templates. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hauptseite/!DOKU has some documentation of it (in german).
18:54:45 <fell> The Overview of their configuration: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Version
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19:13:55 <fell> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Localisation: translatewiki.net supports in-wiki translation of all the messages of core MediaWiki, extensions and skins. (Not the content.)
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19:22:52 <jralls> fell, that doesn't seem terribly useful to us.
19:23:30 <fell> I just found in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multilingual_MediaWiki:
19:23:31 <fell> To make MediaWiki completely multilingual, see the Translate extension and the related localisation extensions.
19:23:33 <fell> For details on setting up a family of wikis in different languages connected by interlanguage links, see Manual:Wiki family.
19:25:38 <fell> Homework for warlord and perhaps Linas: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family
19:26:13 <jralls> That page starts with "This page is obsolete. It is being retained for archival purposes." followed by "These are development specifications, not documentation. These features do not exist yet, or maybe are already implemented elsewhere."
19:27:01 <fell> And the next section with teh forwardings is what I pasted.
19:27:30 <jralls> (It's "Multilingual_Mediawiki" that's obsolete...)
19:28:48 <jralls> We have a single wiki setup with pointers to pages in different languages, right?
19:30:32 <fell> and would prefer, to change it to a wiki farm with separate language wikis, allowing https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Interlanguage_links
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19:35:25 <fell> Example: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Multiple_wikis_sharing_common_resources
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19:38:52 <jralls> Looks like a lot of work to get set up.
19:41:49 <fell> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Wikimedia_Method or which?
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19:44:54 <jralls> All of them look like a lot of work. I find step 3 of Wikimedia_Method enormously entertaining: "Just write a few scripts". Details left as an exercise.
19:47:45 <fell> Finally they say. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MediaWikiFarm can simplify it.
19:48:46 <fell> Latest version 0.5.0 (2017-04-09) is distracting, but there is activity at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/extensions/MediaWikiFarm
19:50:21 <fell> with a Version 1.0.0 in recent MW branches
19:50:34 <chris> AdrianM: thx so you agree 'canonically-tabbed is completely dumb and should be yanked completely
19:51:04 <jralls> Still looks like a lot of work. From https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MediaWikiFarm#Installation "Be aware it is non-trivial to set up a MediaWiki farm; this extension only improves the MediaWiki part"
19:55:48 <chris> AdrianM / jralls: to eradicate 'canonically-tabbed means a small amendment in options.scm to switch option to #t
19:56:35 <jralls> chris, where?
19:59:38 <chris> jralls: somewhere in #L1833 to change any parent-account-subtotal from 'canonically-tabbed to #f
20:06:23 <jralls> Huh? Did you mean libngnucash/app-utils/options.scm?
20:07:00 <chris> yes
20:07:23 <chris> lets await PR
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20:16:42 <jralls> OK, because hardcoding something in lookup-option doesn't make sense to me.
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21:22:33 <linas> fell, you used my name in relation to media-wiki ...
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22:34:11 <fell> Linas, yes, from https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family#Wikimedia_Method: 5. Configure your DNS with a wildcard A record, and apache with a server alias (like ServerAlias *.example-farm.org) and you should be in business.
22:34:35 <fell> If we decide to go that way.
22:35:11 <fell> That would mean *.wiki.gnucash.org
22:38:21 <fell> But you need to coordinate with warlord as he has to catch them on his server.
22:39:50 <linas> Ah! OK. Well, I could do that now, I think I am running the master copy of gnucash DNS.
22:40:06 <linas> and when I update, his DNS auto-mirrors it
22:40:55 <fell> Yes, but not his wiki server.
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23:07:39 <linas> I cannot begin to tell you how much I hate DNSSEC
23:08:36 <linas> one error tells me my serial number is too low. The next error message tells me its too high. I cannot satsify both constraints
23:09:01 <linas> its a world-class example of terrible engineering
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23:26:23 <linas> when in doubt, rm -r * and start all over again ...
23:27:14 <linas> fell, the dns servers should be correctly serving *.wiki.gnucash.org to the same IP addr as wiki.gnucash.org
23:28:54 <linas> So I believe that all that is left is for Derek to reconfigure his webserver to accept the *.wiki.gnucash.org URL's
23:30:23 <fell> right, i end on https://code.gnucash.org/
23:30:44 <fell> Thanks!
23:31:37 <linas> code, wiki, svn and three others all end up on the same IP addr. The web server examines the URL supplied in the HTTP header, and routes the request appropriately.
23:39:35 <fell> right
23:41:51 <linas> sorry for the bit of flaming. evry time I touch DNSSEC, a trivial 30 second operation becomes a half-hour of googling error messages
23:42:32 <linas> and its been like that since the beginning
23:43:06 <linas> although it has gotten better, in the sense that its only 30 minutes of error messages instead of 3-4 hours :-/
23:57:22 <fell> That's why I am using the wiki. Most actions are quick done, when you wrote down the proper command sequence, but last hours, if not. ;-)
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