2007-05-06 GnuCash IRC logs

00:04:55 <entr0py> has anyone seen this before: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436254
00:04:59 <entr0py> look at the two attachments
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00:19:35 <warlord> okay, back.
00:19:37 <warlord> hi chintan
00:24:14 <chintan> will be back in a min
00:25:09 <warlord> ok
00:35:06 <chintan> sorry, got an important call
00:35:19 <chintan> anyway, I was able to complile gnucash from scratch
00:35:32 <chintan> got *** [ca.gmo] Error 127
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00:36:14 <chintan> but finally was able to figure out(by googling) that inttools was required
00:36:46 <chintan> I followed the steps as mentioned in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building
00:37:06 <chintan> wanted to know if the config options there are good enough for development
00:38:21 <chintan> I did not install aqbanking
00:39:08 <hampton> how did you get past the autogen.sh step without intltools installed?
00:39:35 <warlord> yeah, what hampton asked.
00:39:44 <chintan> I skipped that, but ./configure worked without inttools
00:39:47 <warlord> anyways, yeah, you shouldn't need aqbanking.
00:39:59 <warlord> wait -- how did you skip autogen.sh?
00:40:04 <warlord> you need it to build the configure script
00:40:35 <chintan> But it worked without that
00:40:48 <hampton> where did you get the source?
00:41:05 <chintan> I downloaded the source from openforge
00:41:14 <warlord> OH, you downloaded a tarball?
00:41:23 <warlord> You really should build from Subversion for GSoC
00:41:33 <chintan> I tried that
00:41:46 <chintan> but the new firewall setting at my college prevents me
00:41:55 <chintan> from using subversion :(
00:42:02 <warlord> Huh? How does it prevent you?
00:42:14 <warlord> What happens if you use https:// instead of http:// ?
00:42:14 <chintan> Blocks the port
00:42:21 <warlord> it blocks port 80?
00:42:21 <chintan> ok
00:42:25 <chintan> i'll try
00:42:41 <chintan> It also requires authentication
00:42:58 <chintan> so am not able to connect directly
00:43:19 <chintan> its a new proxy so will take some time to figure some way out
00:43:27 <warlord> weird
00:43:45 <chintan> really
00:44:10 <chintan> but then I'll be at home during the hols so not a real issue!
00:44:13 <warlord> hampton: Hmm, test-lots still fails. :(
00:44:29 <chintan> anyway, now what should I do?
00:44:33 <warlord> "Failed to split into two!"
00:44:49 <warlord> chintan: what do you mean, now what should you do?
00:45:12 <warlord> You should really work from SVN; get it building from there.
00:45:19 <chintan> ok
00:45:28 <chintan> is there a major difference
00:45:57 <warlord> yes, SVN lets you update when other devs make changes..
00:46:32 <chintan> oh
00:47:01 <chintan> but then I can start to experiment on the code with what I have?
00:47:07 <warlord> yes.
00:47:51 <hampton> warlord: The code calculates the ration of the new split to the full amount. It the failed case, that's something like 123456/666666666666666. When that is applied to another number, and then rounded to two decimal places the result ends up being zero.
00:48:15 <warlord> * sigh *
00:48:28 <hampton> That's where I gave up a couple nights ago.
00:49:08 <warlord> i'll see if I can play on my flight tomorrow.
00:50:20 <chintan> 407 Proxy Authentication Required (http://svn.gnucash.org), that's the error I get when using svn even though I have set the http_proxy variable properly
00:51:00 <warlord> chintan: what SVN command are you using? And what happens if you use https://svn.gnucash.org instead of http?)
00:51:23 <chintan> Could not create SSL connection through proxy server (https://svn.gnucash.org)
00:51:32 <chintan> that's for https
00:51:59 <warlord> What if you dont set the proxy?
00:52:12 <hampton> you're setting HTTP_PROXY to svn.gnucash.org? That's wrong.
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00:52:33 <chintan> no, I'm setting the http_proxy as my local proxy server
00:52:53 <warlord> What happens if you dont set the local proxy server?
00:52:59 <hampton> the error messages are confusing
00:53:30 <chintan> export http_proxy="http://user:password@10.100.56.45(that's my hostel proxy):3128
00:53:37 <chintan> that's the command I use
00:53:47 <chintan> works well for synaptic
00:54:27 <warlord> http://svn.haxx.se/dev/archive-2003-07/1675.shtml
00:54:56 <warlord> SVN doesn't honor http_proxy
00:55:13 <chintan> oh
00:55:31 <chintan> so what should I do?
00:56:03 <chintan> ok, I read the link
00:59:01 <warlord> you need to configure the svn proxy in your svn config
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01:02:29 <warlord> I'm only going to be here for a short time longer.. I need to go to bed, and tomorrow I fly to California.
01:03:53 <chintan> ya, I modified the servers file and put in my username and password there
01:04:12 <chintan> Now the error that it gives is svn: Working copy 'gnucash' lockedsvn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)
01:04:35 <chintan> is that because of my earlier unsuccessful attempt?
01:07:48 <chintan> alright, got the svn working!
01:08:27 <chintan> it's downloading. Thanks.
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01:17:30 <Dolphin07> does anyone know how do stop an equity account from appearing in the account reports
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01:31:16 <Dolphin07> anyone>
01:34:54 <Dolphin07> chris?
01:35:04 <Dolphin07> or warlord maybe?
01:37:53 <warlord> which report(s)?
01:44:53 <warlord> well, it's 1:45am. I need to sleep. good night.
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03:20:47 <chintan> gncbot tell warlord got gnucash working by building svn, no glitches!
03:20:47 <gncbot> chintan: The operation succeeded.
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08:14:53 <administrator> Hello to all.
08:14:54 <administrator> I have big tax problems every time i want to create a Vendor Bill.
08:14:56 <administrator> The first Problem is the Double Entrys of the different Taxes in the Bill creating window.
08:14:57 <administrator> Here is a picture http://www.bilder-speicher.de/07050614363906.vollbild.html
08:14:59 <administrator> From my side this is a BUG that have to be resolved.
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08:27:36 <bob_> can anyone instruct me as to using check format in gnucash?
08:28:31 <bob_> print check dialog box does not enable the check format tab
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09:09:11 <warlord> huh. gnotime seems to have eaten my data.
09:09:11 <gncbot> warlord: Sent 5 hours and 48 minutes ago: <chintan> got gnucash working by building svn, no glitches!
09:09:27 <warlord> @tell chintan glad to hear!
09:09:27 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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09:16:46 <administrator> hello to all !
09:16:47 <administrator> Once again does somebody have a solution for the double entries in the tax select box ?
09:16:49 <administrator> http://www.bilder-speicher.de/07050614363906.vollbild.html
09:16:50 <administrator> Maybe this problem is allready solved in the gnucash version 2.1.1.
09:16:52 <administrator> At the moment i am using GnuCash 2.0.5
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09:53:38 <bob_> hello
09:53:48 <warlord> administrator: I THINK that's been fixed.
09:54:05 <warlord> (I thought that was fixed in 2.0.x too)
09:55:02 <bob_> absolute neebie - can anyone instruct me as to how to set up a custom check format?
09:55:25 <warlord> bob_: which version?
09:55:35 <bob_> 2.0.2
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09:56:49 <warlord> Um, I dont recall if the custom formats are saved or not in 2.0.x
09:57:04 <warlord> but just enter the x,y coordinates for each part of the check.
09:57:38 <bob_> when print check, the boxes under custom are all disabled.
09:58:58 <warlord> Huh! So they are.
09:59:41 <bob_> warlord: I assume there's a setup, somewhere?
09:59:48 <warlord> bob_: nope.
10:00:32 <warlord> that dialog is supposed to be how you configure it.
10:00:38 <warlord> I dont know why it's not active.
10:01:55 <bob_> warlord: is your box disabled, also?
10:02:15 <warlord> I already answered that.. <warlord> Huh! So they are.
10:03:01 <administrator> @warlod i would like to try help with programming and debugging.
10:03:01 <gncbot> administrator: Error: "warlod" is not a valid command.
10:03:03 <administrator> what is the right command for svn to download the source code ?
10:03:14 <bob_> warlord: thanks, I guess I'll try to upgrade,
10:03:38 <warlord> bob_: there's no upgrade, yet.
10:03:54 <warlord> we're still working towards 2.2, but it's still in testing.
10:04:03 <bob_> warlord: 2.1 ?
10:04:11 <warlord> administrator: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Subversion
10:04:18 <warlord> bob_: 2.1 is a test release series.
10:04:57 <bob_> warlord: well thanks, I stay with windoze/quicken till later.
10:05:41 <warlord> Sorry. I'd suggest filing a bug report, but it might not help because of the push for 2.2
10:07:39 <bob_> warlord: maybe I'll try a windoze version to get familiar with the program
10:07:55 <warlord> Okay. The windows version is 2.1.x
10:08:09 <warlord> So.. it has the newer check-printing system.
10:08:37 <bob_> warlord: many thanks..
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10:09:23 <administrator> thanks warlord i have just downloaded the source code.
10:09:24 <administrator> What do you propose for a development environment (IDE).
10:09:26 <administrator> should i use anjuta or something else.
10:09:28 <administrator> Working with a texteditor seems me a litlle stone age.
10:09:47 <warlord> Sorry, no recommendations from me.
10:09:53 * warlord uses emacs
10:12:35 <administrator> really ? i have worked with VC++ 6.0 for about more than 2 Years. I am trained using something in this direction. I will try anjuta or eclipsse in the next time. I beleive this could save a lot of time developing GnuCash.
10:13:22 <warlord> Up to you. I've never programmed in windows.
10:13:29 <warlord> So, yes, really.
10:13:40 <warlord> BUT.. I'm very comfortable using emacs + gdb + commandline tools.
10:18:02 <administrator> i belive also that for a lot of work the command tools are more efficent and better. The problem is the time needing for learning and the problem with remebering learned thnigs.
10:18:03 <administrator> warlord there is also another problem with GNUCash.
10:18:05 <administrator> When somebody try to make a vendor Bill the "Post to Account" window dont get the target Account from the Invoice window.
10:18:07 <administrator> http://www.bilder-speicher.de/07050614418720.vollbild.html
10:18:08 <administrator> The hole vendor Tax stuff dont work in GnuCash at the moment
10:19:05 <warlord> Do you have an account of type A/Payable in your CoA?
10:21:12 <administrator> As you can see i have selected in the Invoice window the account "abgaben und gebühren" together with the TaxTable selection.
10:21:14 <administrator> From my experinece Gnucash should get this account "abgaben und gebühren" in the window "Post to Account"
10:21:51 <warlord> No..........
10:21:57 <warlord> The invoice window is your EXPENSE account.
10:22:03 <warlord> The post-to account is your PAYABLE account.
10:22:07 <warlord> Do you HAVE a PAYABLE account?
10:26:59 <warlord> (I bet you dont)
10:27:03 <administrator> A payable Account ? i use the recommended account plan of switzerland that is included and shipped together with gnucash
10:27:05 <administrator> http://www.kostenrechnen.ch/FIBU-neu/kontenrahmen-kmu.pdf
10:27:27 <warlord> that doesn't mean that that has a Payable account.
10:28:29 <warlord> And that chart means nothing to me; Ich sprechen kine Deutsche
10:29:02 <warlord> The question remains: Do you have an account, in your account tree, of type A/Payable?
10:29:21 <warlord> (that's type "Verbindlichkeit")
10:29:39 <warlord> I bet you €50 you dont
10:30:26 <administrator> For what is a payable account needed.
10:30:28 <administrator> In switzerland you have an account with the number 1170. In this acount you put the Taxes of things that you buy.
10:30:29 <administrator> In the other account with the number 2200 you Put the Taxes of things that you sell.
10:30:31 <administrator> On the end of a quarter you make 1170 - 2200 and transfer the Money to the Gov
10:32:07 <warlord> A/Payable has nothing to do with taxes.... A/Payable is a LIABILITY, it's money that you owe to e.g. a vendor that sold you some goods but you haven't paid them yet. It's the inverse of a Customer Invoice (where you've sold them goods and they owe YOU money -- that's A/Receivable)
10:32:31 <warlord> A/ stands for "Accounts" -- So "Accounts Payable" and "Accounts Receivable".. Aka "Payables" and "Receivables"
10:32:56 <warlord> If you're using the Vendor Bill Interface then you need a Payables account to post the Bill...
10:33:05 <warlord> And then you Process Payment to pay the vendor.
10:38:22 <administrator> Ok i understand now.
10:38:24 <administrator> I ask me only now if the Receivable Account could be the 1100 ( Money that other People have to give you )
10:38:25 <administrator> and the Payable Account could be the 2000 ( Money that i have to pay to others).
10:39:05 <administrator> Or are this accounts additional becouse they hold at the end the transfered money
10:40:33 <administrator> The hole thing is a little strange.
10:40:35 <administrator> Why is creating a vendor bill not the same like creating a Custumer Invoice ?
10:43:07 <administrator> This could save me a lot of Problems especially with the Vendor taxes.
10:43:09 <administrator> How do you work with the Taxes in the US.
10:43:10 <administrator> Especialy what are you making with the vendor taxes at the end ?
10:46:22 <administrator> in the german GnuCash mailing list there a lot of people how have big problems with the Tax Handling in gnucash.
10:46:23 <administrator> At the moment they are discussing a soulution to solve this Problem.
10:46:25 <administrator> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2007-April/004828.html
10:48:58 <pawlowsm> I am having an interesting problem where I have a three split transaction to buy stocks. I enter the transaction in the stock account, and all is good. However the commission expense account, and the cash account all have the transaction but the amounts are all zero. My default currency is CAD, but all three accounts have been set to USD. I saw nothing simmilar in the open bug reports,...
10:49:00 <pawlowsm> ...has anybody seen something simmilar? 2.1.1 on win32.
10:55:17 <administrator> pawlowsm: at the moment i am using gnucash only in one currency and that only for creating Invoices and report Invoices in gnucash. Becouse of that i cant say something about buying stocks and the commission account problems.
10:55:18 <administrator> I itslef dont have problems with no posted amounts. This must be something related to the three split transaction.
10:56:16 <administrator> hwo about if you make some photos and put them on the net ?
11:04:47 <warlord> administrator: I'm not the right person to point to anything german. I'm not a german. I dont speak german. I'm not subscribed to gnucash-de.
11:05:28 <warlord> A Vendor bill is almost EXACTLY like a customer invoice, except all the numbers are reversed. It's income instead of expense.. It's asset (A/Receivable) instead of liability (A/Payable). But they work exactly the same.
11:05:57 <warlord> pawlowsm: then you missed it. "Currency from stock register" is the bug summary.
11:06:16 <warlord> Create the transaction from one of the USD accounts and then edit it from the stock register.
11:08:12 <pawlowsm> warlord: many thanks. Same bug.
11:09:09 <administrator> ok sorry. i belive now i know how to proceed. Thanks for the Helpfull answer and your time.
11:10:33 <warlord> administrator: you're welcome
11:10:37 <warlord> pawlowsm: you're welcome, too :)
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11:55:14 <warlord> bye all. ttyl.
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12:09:46 <zach> @tell andi5 the windows locale date works good now. The only side-effect is that in check printing the locale date format shows %x now, which is no big deal
12:09:46 <gncbot> zach: The operation succeeded.
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14:15:34 <entr0py> I want to send an invoice to one client with multiple jobs on it. It appears that gnucash will only let you assign one job to an invoice?
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14:25:53 <administrator> andi 5 are you still here ?
14:26:28 <jsled> administrator: it's better if you say andi5 ...
14:26:31 <andi5> administrator: it is easier to ping me if you use my full name :)
14:26:54 <administrator> sorry !
14:26:55 <administrator> I have a question.
14:26:59 <andi5> that is good
14:27:20 <andi5> did not i just reset the topic?
14:27:33 <jsled> yes.
14:27:45 <andi5> it should contain something about meta-asking ;-)
14:28:03 <jsled> Oh ... it doesn't, exactly, at present.
14:28:12 <zach> andi5: the new date stuff on windows works well for me
14:28:38 <andi5> zach: i am not yet done with the backlogs.... you mentioned the print check dialog using "%x" ... is that a problem?
14:28:49 <zach> i don't think so
14:28:55 <andi5> good
14:29:07 <zach> becuase you can still figure out the custom settings if you use other options..
14:29:16 <andi5> zach: try to use "%" as format specification.... you will see funny things (bug)
14:29:28 <zach> i have seen that
14:29:59 <andi5> zach: maybe %x is even better, because it teaches you .... %x ;-)
14:30:34 <zach> interestingly, my locale date format is like this 5/6/2007, where in prefs it has US date format as 05/06/2007
14:31:09 <zach> not a problem, just interesting
14:31:16 <andi5> well, i hope that is standard :)
14:31:34 <andi5> US 05/06/2007 is something gnucash calls US format, i think
14:31:49 <zach> that's what i figured
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14:32:22 <zach> maybe a custom format in the prefs like is available in print check would be useful.... or maybe not :)
14:32:35 <andi5> zach: as i said.... it is more important to check whether gnucash will eat date strings than that it will spit them out :)
14:32:51 <andi5> or maybe not....
14:32:55 <zach> heh
14:33:37 <zach> so I still have this problem: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432021
14:33:56 <zach> I'm not sure why you couldn't reproduce
14:34:01 <zach> it :)
14:34:16 <andi5> ok,.... i will take a look at it.... maybe by testing on a fresh machine.... but it will not become my personal no. 1 :)
14:34:39 <zach> sure... it's not a bad bug, just an annoyance
14:34:58 <administrator> andi5: Here come a big Question to you !
14:35:00 <administrator> If you get a invoice from a Company that has more than one position listed on the Invoice. Say we have 10 Position on the Invoice with a total amount of 100 Dollars and 1 Dollar Tax give a Totall Invoice amount of 101 Dollar.
14:35:02 <administrator> And only one Position with a amount of 10 Dollar is tax related with 10% Tax = 1 Dollar Tax.
14:35:04 <administrator> Is there a easy possibility to post such a transaction in Gnucash ?
14:35:05 <administrator> I mean how can somebody post a Invoice in Gnucash that has more than one Position and only a small part of this Position is tax related ?
14:35:35 <andi5> i do not use the business features.... next, please
14:37:05 <zach> andi5: I think the biggest problem bug that I have with Windows Gnucash right now is this one: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432104
14:37:18 <andi5> good point
14:37:23 <zach> even on my brand new, fast machine it takes a LONG time
14:38:59 <administrator> andi5: Do you know maybe how is responsible for the business Feautures?
14:39:08 <andi5> will take a look at it..... yesterday i observed that gnucash took ages to start.... it is interesting to see what happens if you run "make install" without cleaning up a bit afterwards :) .... my stack snapshots always showed libguile-ltdl opening some library =)
14:39:33 <andi5> administrator: i would say that warlord is the most knowledgable in that respect
14:40:22 <administrator> Thanks.
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14:43:43 <zach> in regards to shared GTK, is it more than just the 'standard' GTK runtime that you have depedencies on?
14:44:06 <andi5> oh, a lot more... just take a look at defaults.sh
14:44:27 <andi5> oh, maybe i did not respond to your question
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14:44:57 <zach> as far as using a 'shared' GTK like pidgin does
14:45:03 <andi5> we use the gtk zip files distributed by tml on ftp.gnome.org .... (the same holds for the gnome libraries on top of them)
14:45:10 <andi5> i do not know what pidgin does
14:45:31 <zach> the package size goes down by almost 6MB without GTK
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14:46:27 <andi5> say they have a different name for the regex library.... what then?
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14:47:10 <andi5> zach: where does gaim (have not installed pidgin yet) install gtk+?
14:47:26 <zach> program file/common
14:47:46 <zach> program files/common files/GTK to be more exact
14:47:56 <zach> i thnk gaim did the same
14:48:04 <zach> ok.. gotta go.
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19:20:14 <zach> ok.. here's a good one
19:20:34 <zach> i was just playing around. I selected windows->new window with page
19:21:09 <zach> the I closed the new window (it had the account list in it)
19:21:28 <zach> then in my original window I closed the two registers I had open
19:21:44 <zach> Now all I get is an empty window when I open my datafile
19:21:53 <zach> and it always says <no file>
19:21:58 <zach> even right after I open my file
19:27:03 <zach> I'll file a bug on that one since you can break gnucash and not be able to restore functionality without deleting (or hacking) your config files (.gnucash, etc)
19:43:12 <zach> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436479 entered for that
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22:24:59 <zach> jsled: in the scheduled transaction editor the column labeled 'debit' is a for money in and 'credit' is for money out. This doesn't seem correct, it shoudl be the other way... or am I misunderstanding something here?
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23:22:54 <ximinez> Running Gnucash 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 6.10. Just opened a new bank account, and the ofx import locks up. Determined that manually removing entities named <MESSAGE> in <STATUS> blocks rectified the error. Is this a known issue?
23:23:19 <ximinez> Trying to search on the string "MESSAGE" gives a lot of false positives.
23:25:35 <ximinez> If I drop off, I'll be back, or email "gnucash-irc at ximinez dot castleanthrax dot org"
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