2021-10-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:00:21 <gjanssens> fell: re the revision of the Backup wiki page - The Windows build also requires the extra "GnuCash" element in the registry path to capture the current preferences as of 4.7
03:04:20 <gjanssens> @tell WebFreak There are a few things we didn't test regarding the preference issues when you install the gnucash 4.8 package. I'd be interested to run these last tests when you are available and willing to.
03:04:20 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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13:20:11 <fell> gjanssens: A side effect of lost settings: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2021-October/012238.html
13:20:44 <fell> On the first save, all backups get deleted.
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14:04:09 <zoid> Will GNUCash run on the latest version of MacOS?
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16:13:39 <gjanssens> fell: IIUC what's decribed in the German message, this happens because the user switched to flatpak gnucash and flatpak gnucash doesn't import settings properly.
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16:15:22 <gjanssens> Unfortunately that will remain to be the case until gnucash 4.8 is common on the host. There's nothing we can do about this as flatpak won't import from the old gsettings path (org.gnucash) and we only switch to the new path (org.gnucash.GnuCash) starting with gnucash 4.8
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16:16:52 <gjanssens> Only once a user has run gnucash 4.8 successfully on the host, will a future (and intial!) flatpak gnucash run do a (one time!) import of the host settings.
16:17:43 <gjanssens> We're only given a very narrow window by flatpak itself and were banging against the wall prior to gnucash 4.8.
16:18:24 <gjanssens> Unfortunately this is slightly made worse if the gnucash build on host is failing to migrate settings from old path to new path.
16:18:43 <gjanssens> So far I have seen only two causes this can happen:
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16:19:22 <gjanssens> 1. the build/install directory were not clean and still held the old schema files. As a result the schema are not compiled correctly, causing migration failure.
16:19:46 <fell> But AFaIK, the default is, to keep baks for 30 days and now itt becomes 0?
16:20:55 <gjanssens> 2. There are old schema files present somewhere in the various schema paths derived from XDG_DATA_DIRS that are found before the schema files we ship with current gnucash. In this case the newer schema files are ignored, again causing migration to fail.
16:21:49 <fell> He didn' build itself.
16:22:30 <fell> But he has in the org an Win-PC and private a Linux-PC
16:23:03 <gjanssens> That's not relevant for the German case. The point is he didn't successfully run gnucash 4.8 on the host before moving to flatpak gnucash.
16:23:33 <gjanssens> So no preferences were migrated for the base case - flatpak won't migrate from org.gnucash, only from org.gnucash.GnuCash
16:23:37 <jralls> zoid, yes, but only GnuCash-4.8-2.
16:24:22 <gjanssens> And if I read the message correctly the backups older than 30 days are removed, so the default threshold was triggered.
16:24:37 <gjanssens> It didn't magically become 0, unless that's mentioned later on.
16:25:36 <zoid> thank you jralls
16:27:20 <gjanssens> In addition the claim gnucash shouldn't remove data without a warning is a grey area.
16:27:43 <gjanssens> We're not removing the user's data, we're removing backups of that data.
16:28:48 <gjanssens> I understand it's an unpleasant surprise that this got reset to default. Again there's nothing we can do about t his other than informing the users this could happen.
16:30:38 <gjanssens> It's also why we tell users to make make backups themselves. No system is flawless. Things can go wrong while upgrading.
16:31:30 <fell> So the next job for his carierre as wikii editor. ;-)
16:32:58 <gjanssens> But I repeat in case I didn't makt this clear: the changes in 4.7 and 4.8 wrt the settings are not the cause of this. The cause is flatpak's choice to import only from org.gnucash.GnuCash while our settings were at org.gnucash. That's completely out of our hands.
16:34:22 <gjanssens> The changes done in 4.7/4.8 were done to initiate a long-term fix. It can't do much now because for it to work host has had to have done a successful settings migration from org.gnucash to org.gnucash.GnuCash *before* the first run ever of flatpak gnucash 4.5 or more recent.
16:35:09 <gjanssens> In practice that is extremely unlikely to happen by default because users migrating to flatpak typically do because their host gnucash is too old (and hence will not have run the migration).
16:36:08 <gjanssens> It will take at least newer distro releases of Ubuntu and derivatives for gnucash 4.8 to trickle down on the host. And only then first time flatpak users will benefit from a proper import.
16:37:47 <fell> I think you should put it in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak#Known_Issues
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16:38:16 <gjanssens> Please read that section carefully. That info is already there.
16:38:31 <gjanssens> Including a fix.
16:40:10 <fell> 'Upgrading from flatpak GnuCash 4.4 or earlier to flatpak GnuCash 4.5 or later
16:40:23 <fell> is misleading
16:44:18 <gjanssens> Then rephrase it.
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