2021-10-18 GnuCash IRC logs

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13:28:39 <WebFreak> did anything with styling recently change with GnuCash? Suddenly all my accounts are completely white without borders and no longer the alternating green/lime lines
13:37:59 <fell> WebFreak, define recently!
13:38:41 <fell> Update from … to …?
13:40:19 <WebFreak> I think probably around 4.6 -> 4.8 (or from 4.5 even)
13:42:31 <fell> OS?
13:42:35 <WebFreak> linux
13:42:42 <WebFreak> just in general in latest 4.8 version suddenly the accounts all look like this: https://wfr.moe/f6RcF0.png
13:42:51 <fell> distri|flatpak
13:42:56 <WebFreak> archlinux package
13:43:25 <WebFreak> let me just try rolling back actually lol
13:43:44 <fell> I would suspect you lost your settings.
13:43:56 <WebFreak> yeah it happened 4.6 -> 4.8
13:44:08 <WebFreak> downgrading to 4.6 everything looks good again and it reopens the last opened file as usual
13:44:17 <WebFreak> in 4.8 it doesn't open the last opened file anymore and it all looks white like that
13:44:42 <WebFreak> it also doesn't ask me for scheduled transactions anymore I just noticed
13:45:13 <fell> gjanssens should have the details.
13:48:23 <WebFreak> also 4.8 lost the close buttons on my tabs lol
13:48:35 <WebFreak> was gtk upgraded or something?
13:50:07 <fell> The GTK upgrade was from 2.6.x to 3.0
13:50:15 <WebFreak> between 4.6 and 4.8?
13:50:29 <WebFreak> before it certainly didn't look like a GTK 2 app
13:50:40 <fell> The separate close button is also defined in gsettings
13:51:43 <fell> In dconf-editor you should see 2 sets of gnucash settings.
13:53:07 <fell> The new are prefixed by org.gnucash.GnuCash
13:55:26 <WebFreak> ok my patched adwaita was a little outdated, caused some issues with dconf-editor, changed back to the built-in adwaita which fixes dconf-editor, but GnuCash still looks the same all white
13:55:54 <WebFreak> ah yeah I see the 2 different settings in gsettings
13:56:17 <WebFreak> does the app not migrate though or do I need to also have run the 4.7 version?
13:57:01 <fell> It was intended, but that part was incomplete.
14:02:55 <fell> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup#Related_Files, but still outdated
14:03:49 <WebFreak> uh I think I might stay on 4.6 for a while
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14:13:05 <fell> gjanssens, please review https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=Backup&type=revision&diff=20331&oldid=19809. Are other OSes affected, too?
14:20:38 <fell> WebFreak, how about soemthng like: dconf dump /org/gnucash/ && dconf reset /org/gnucash/ && dconf load /org/gnucash/GnuCash/
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14:22:06 <WebFreak> I will try it, but I will likely stay on 4.6 for the other functional issues anyway
14:22:39 <fell> then no dconf reeset …
14:23:00 <WebFreak> well I can restore it with the dump
14:25:19 <WebFreak> nah none of the issues are fixed by the dconf dump+load
14:27:51 <fell> I am not sure if dconf {compile|update} have to applied, too.
14:30:31 <fell> gjanssens, it's not flatpak's pickiness. dconf distinguishes A key path (starting, but not ending with '/') and A directory path (starting and ending with '/')
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15:52:12 <gjanssens> WebFreak: what are the values of org.gnucash.general/prefs-version and org.gnucash.GnuCash.general/prefs-version ?
15:52:54 <WebFreak> gjanssens: 406
15:53:11 <WebFreak> (in version 4.6)
15:53:26 <gjanssens> Both are the same ? That would be surprising.
15:53:31 <WebFreak> and no org.gnucash.GnuCash.general/prefs-version
15:53:36 <WebFreak> because I downgraded and reset the dconf
15:53:42 <gjanssens> Right
15:54:18 <gjanssens> Normally when you now install gnucash 4.8 it should run a preferences migration. That didn't work on your system for some reason
15:54:31 <WebFreak> I will try it again
15:54:50 <gjanssens> Can you rerun gnucash 4.8 and then post the contents of /tmp/gnucash.trace somewhere ?
15:56:02 <WebFreak> after upgrade dconf read /org/gnucash/GnuCash/general/prefs-version still doesn't print anything
15:56:29 <WebFreak> and this warning hundreds of times in gnucash.trace:
15:56:29 <WebFreak> * 21:55:45 WARN <gnc.app-utils.gsettings> [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
15:56:30 <WebFreak> * 21:55:45 ERROR <gnc.app-utils> void gnc_gsettings_remove_cb_by_func(const gchar*, const gchar*, gpointer, gpointer): assertion 'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
15:57:46 <WebFreak> full log: https://wfr.moe/f6RlTM.txt
15:58:20 <gjanssens> That means either your gnucash 4.8 package is broken or there's still another, older version of gnucash installed somewhere on your system in the default path (typically /usr or /usr/local)
15:58:40 <WebFreak> I'm using the arch community package
15:58:47 <WebFreak> (4.8-1)
15:58:56 <gjanssens> Where does it install ? In /usr or /usr/local ?
15:59:15 <WebFreak> https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/gnucash/ - /usr/bin/gnucash, /usr/include/gnucash, etc
15:59:20 <WebFreak> see files list at the bottom
16:00:17 <WebFreak> where are dconf schemas located?
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16:00:34 <gjanssens> That's an interesting link.
16:00:48 <gjanssens> Dconf schemas are installed in various places.
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16:01:12 <gjanssens> The ones from your package will be installed in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
16:01:25 <gjanssens> And they all start with org.gnucash.GnuCash
16:01:42 <Simon> aha... I have a clue as to why it takes so long to mark a transaction as cleared... the time to do that increases based on the number of open registers
16:02:00 <gjanssens> Do check if there are also files in /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas
16:02:58 <WebFreak> no gnucash related schemas in /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas, the package schems are all there (though looked for org.gnucash.GnuCash.general.xml like in the error message which doesn't exist)
16:03:42 <gjanssens> Are there any files in there that start with org.gnucash only ?
16:03:57 <gjanssens> (without the GnuCash in camelcase in the name) ?
16:04:20 <WebFreak> no
16:04:42 <gjanssens> Ok then we have to return to /usr/share/glib-2.0/shemas
16:04:58 <gjanssens> There's also a file in there named gschemas.compiled
16:05:17 <WebFreak> also if migration didn't work, wouldn't the UI still function properly though? like the alternating green/lime lines in the transaction log
16:05:47 <gjanssens> No, these colors depend on a preference
16:07:08 <gjanssens> What's the output of "strings /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled | grep '/org/gnucash/GnuCash' | sort"
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16:08:30 <WebFreak> output: https://wfr.moe/f6RbSE.txt
16:08:40 <WebFreak> for all /org/gnucash strings: https://wfr.moe/f6RAOV.txt
16:09:02 <gjanssens> Good, so the formal schema does exist and is installed properly.
16:09:14 <gjanssens> Which means gnucash is picking up another schema first.
16:10:32 <gjanssens> Let's figure out where that could possibly be
16:10:49 <gjanssens> Can you create a file $HOME/.config/gnucash/config-user.scm
16:10:58 <gjanssens> with these contents:
16:11:06 <gjanssens> (use-modules (gnucash utilities))
16:11:08 <gjanssens> (gnc:warn "XDG__DATA_DIRS=" (getenv "XDG_DATA_DIRS"))
16:11:52 <gjanssens> Then start gnucash and check the first few lines of /tmp/gnucash.trace for a line with XDG_DATA_DIRS
16:11:57 <gjanssens> Please post that line here
16:12:15 <WebFreak> XDG_DATA_DIRS not in the trace file
16:12:46 <WebFreak> also not mentioning it loading the config anywhere
16:13:15 <WebFreak> first lines:
16:13:16 <WebFreak> * 22:11:23 WARN <gnc.app-utils.gsettings> [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
16:13:16 <WebFreak> * 22:11:23 ERROR <gnc.app-utils> GVariant* gnc_gsettings_get_user_value(const gchar*, const gchar*): assertion 'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
16:14:09 <WebFreak> https://wfr.moe/c6RA0C this is the environment file packaged with the arch pkg
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16:15:24 <WebFreak> also here is how they build the gnucash arch pkg: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-community/blob/packages/gnucash/trunk/PKGBUILD
16:15:51 <gjanssens> Interesting. What does "ls $HOME/.config/gnucash/config-user.scm" output ?
16:16:31 <WebFreak> -rw-r--r-- 1 webfreak webfreak 89 Oct 18 22:11 /home/webfreak/.config/gnucash/config-user.scm
16:17:11 <gjanssens> Ok, and "cat $HOME/.config/gnucash/config-user.scm"
16:17:48 <WebFreak> https://wfr.moe/f6Rxkc.txt
16:18:16 <gjanssens> Right. Just checking for any typos. I don't see any.
16:18:32 <gjanssens> Is there also a $HOME/.config/gnucash/log.conf ?
16:18:59 <WebFreak> no the config folder is otherwise empty
16:19:27 <WebFreak> whereis gnucash: /usr/bin/gnucash /usr/lib/gnucash /etc/gnucash /usr/include/gnucash /usr/share/gnucash /usr/share/man/man1/gnucash.1.gz
16:20:15 <WebFreak> there is ~/.local/share/gnucash with this layout: https://wfr.moe/f6R2dy.txt
16:20:34 <WebFreak> oh sry wait encoding messed up
16:21:00 <gjanssens> Weird. I don't know why the user's config file isn't parsed
16:21:29 <WebFreak> if you use curl or change firefox to force utf8, it will show up properly, not sending proper content type it seems lol
16:23:27 <gjanssens> Yeah that directory is expected.
16:23:47 <WebFreak> otherwise no gnucash files or folders in my ~/.local folder
16:24:10 <gjanssens> Can you search for file org.gnucash.general.gschema.xml ?
16:24:25 <gjanssens> So without the camelcased GnuCash in there.
16:24:59 <WebFreak> indexed search (mlocate.db) didn't find it on my system, could run a full search though it will take a while
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16:28:02 <gjanssens> Do you have environment variables XDG_DATA_HOME or XDG_CONFIG_HOME set ? If so to what value ?
16:28:08 <WebFreak> did not find that file in /usr, /etc, /var or $HOME - should I search other paths?
16:28:18 <WebFreak> both unset
16:28:28 <gjanssens> And XDG_DATA_DIRS ?
16:28:34 <WebFreak> unset
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16:31:52 <WebFreak> btw, I want to make a small app to more quickly add some common transactions, would you recommend using some gnucash library or program or directly modifying the xml file?
16:32:30 <gjanssens> I would recommend the python bindings rather than directly modifying the xml file.
16:33:15 <gjanssens> Another set of commands to try: "gsettings --list-keys org.gnucash.general" and "gsettings --list-keys org.gnucash.GnuCash.general"
16:33:55 <WebFreak> first one: https://wfr.moe/f6RSLe.txt
16:34:10 <WebFreak> second one: https://wfr.moe/f6RSho.txt
16:34:55 <WebFreak> first with values: https://wfr.moe/f6RWFT.txt
16:35:09 <WebFreak> second with values: https://wfr.moe/f6RsZd.txt
16:35:11 <gjanssens> Ok, so it's clearly something in the gnucash configuration only. gsettings is the underlying mechanism for our preferences and accessing it directly works fine.
16:36:46 <gjanssens> Have you checked /tmp/gnucash.trace for XDG_DATA_DIRS further down the file or only at the beginning ?
16:37:21 <WebFreak> searched it completely
16:37:38 <WebFreak> here is full log again: https://wfr.moe/f6Rsqp
16:37:46 <WebFreak> oh wait wrong mime type
16:37:59 <WebFreak> as txt: https://wfr.moe/f6RB32.txt
16:38:23 <WebFreak> oh wait it's there as XDG__DATA_DIRS
16:38:44 <WebFreak> lol sry was there the whole time then
16:39:07 <WebFreak> it's "#f"
16:39:37 <gjanssens> I see. And it's false. Perhaps that's why this isn't working
16:40:21 <WebFreak> freedesktop specifies: If $XDG_DATA_DIRS is either not set or empty, a value equal to /usr/local/share/:/usr/share/ should be used.
16:40:38 <WebFreak> would expect gtk to implement that
16:40:44 <gjanssens> Can you set XDG_DATA_DIRS to "/usr/local/share:/usr/share" and then run gnucash ?
16:41:58 <WebFreak> issues still present
16:42:04 <gjanssens> I would also expect gtk to implement that.
16:42:06 <WebFreak> trace file shows expected output
16:42:11 <WebFreak> (so showing my value)
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16:42:31 <gjanssens> This is really weird.
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16:43:03 <WebFreak> will it try a migration if I reset the dconf /org/gnucash path completely?
16:43:55 <WebFreak> well that didn't do anything
16:47:42 <gjanssens> No it wouldn't. If it's completely reset gnucash assumes it has never run before and won't do anything
16:47:50 <gjanssens> As you found out :)
16:48:14 <WebFreak> I made a test file and ran with gnc=debug log if this helps: https://wfr.moe/f6R3WO.txt
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16:53:01 <gjanssens> What's the output of this: strace -e openat gnucash |& grep gschemas.compiled
16:54:27 <WebFreak> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled", O_RDONLY) = 11
16:54:27 <WebFreak> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled", O_RDONLY) = 11
16:54:27 <WebFreak> openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/webfreak/.local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
16:54:50 <WebFreak> the /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled only contains a single entry (for org.gnome.siglo)
17:02:21 <gjanssens> I have no clue at this point and it's getting late here...
17:02:34 <WebFreak> same lol
17:02:44 <WebFreak> well 4.6 still works great, gonna keep using that for a while
17:03:18 <gjanssens> Last shot in the dark: sudo glib-compile-schemas /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas
17:03:43 <gjanssens> And then start gnucash again
17:03:57 <WebFreak> hey that fixed it! ... is what I would like to say but sadly this is not the solution :p
17:04:23 <gjanssens> If that doesn't work, please file this as a bug and refer to this conversation.
17:04:37 <WebFreak> well still thanks for the guidance with this! GnuCash 4.6 works great for me, not sure if I even need any updates right now really
17:04:57 <WebFreak> I will ask on the archlinux forums first, might be some packaging issue
17:05:02 <gjanssens> Thanks for running all the test as well
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17:12:03 <WebFreak> gjanssens: ok definitely a packaging issue, just built from source and it works
17:12:07 <WebFreak> should have tried that from the start lol
17:14:57 <gjanssens> Whew, that's at least something
17:17:27 <WebFreak> ok sorry for wasting over an hour xD
17:19:25 <gjanssens> Np
17:20:51 <WebFreak> oh cool I just found out that when I install libdbi I can connect mysql and postgres databases
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17:22:40 <WebFreak> might go for that instead of using python bindings to manipulate transactions lol
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17:33:08 <fell> WebFreak: Its always better to use the python bindings than undocumented manipulation in one backend!
17:33:18 <WebFreak> but I don't want to use python! :p
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17:35:11 <fell> There are nice samples: https://code.gnucash.org/docs/MAINT/group__python__bindings__examples.html
17:36:07 <WebFreak> yeah ok maybe I can start with spawning python processes and later add the proper C API I guess lol
17:38:03 <WebFreak> it said somewhere the bindings are SWIG generated? Could maybe just add other languages
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17:40:54 <WebFreak> ok sleep time, gn
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18:15:45 <fell> warlord, I got no notification to create wiki user account Gunter. Before, for Fserrador I got a half dozen.
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19:13:23 <warlord> fell, I got 1/2 dozen as well -- I think they signed up 6 times. When did Gunter attempt it?
19:15:21 <fell> I got informed by https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2021-October/012234.html
19:16:35 <fell> I assume short before the mail
19:17:14 <warlord> Huh. When was his wiki account created?
19:18:07 <fell> I confirmed it 16:27+2
19:18:35 <warlord> When did he register?
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19:24:56 <warlord> I see two entries referencing their email address in the past week, both today, one at 12:06 EDT, and another at 12:27 EDT.
19:25:10 <warlord> So most likely you processed it before it had a chance to send out an email.
19:25:30 <fell> are they delayed?
19:28:19 <warlord> No, I don't see any.
19:29:40 <fell> No, I meant in the wiki configuration.
19:30:15 <warlord> You basically approved him 20 minutes after he signed up. the wiki did not attempt to send out an email, as far as Postfix is concerned, during that 20 minute period. My guess is that he had not, yet, validated his email address.
19:31:53 <fell> Ah, on gnucash-de he is using his org adress.
19:41:56 <fell> So let's assume he had not looked in his private inbox to send the confirmation.
20:07:34 <chris> warlord: how did gncNumeric cope when most architecture was 32-bit
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20:16:23 <chris> jralls: try inputting 4-jan-1400 - it works; then hit '-' a few times, it stops at 1-jan-1400; but does not accept it as input
20:16:47 <chris> ie 2/jan/1400 works but 1/jan/1400 doesn't
20:17:51 <chris> may be due to my en_AU
20:18:35 <warlord> chris, gcc has pretty much always supported a 64-bit int (long long), even on 32-bit platforms. And Linas wrote some 128-bit math routines to deal with 64x64 multiplication.
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21:10:05 <jralls> chris, IIRC the calendar control uses midnight and midnight local time in your TZ is the day before in UTC, so it's out of range for Boost::date_time.
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