2021-06-03 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:20:05 <reactormonk> I've followed https://www.aquamaniac.de/rdm/projects/aqbanking/wiki/SetupPinTan - yup, requesting older than 90 days doesn't work. I'd be interested in that part though.
04:20:35 <reactormonk> (younger than 90 days works)
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04:33:14 <gjanssens> .
04:33:14 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 9 hours and 20 minutes ago: <chris> valgrind and libelbowgrease...
04:33:15 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 6 hours and 35 minutes ago: <chris> valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full ./gnucash --logto stdout --extra 2> valgrind.txt
04:37:42 <gjanssens> Ok. Have you ever looked at heaptrack ? Just curious to have a comparison (heaptrack has a graphical memory usage analyser)
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05:17:37 <chris> gjanssens: nice, didn't know about it
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05:30:59 <chris> interesting amendment needed to last commit. q->terms is not simply a GList, it's a GList of GList and will need double freeing.
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07:37:26 <fell> reactormonk, So wie ich es verstehe, müssen die Banken dir mindestens einmal im Quartal einen Kontoauszug zukommen lassen. Sofern du darauf keinen Einpruch wg. Unstimmigkeit einlegst, erlischt dann im Grunde die Pflicht, die Daten weiter vorzuhalten. Aus praktischen Gründen wird statt eines harten Schnitts das 90-Tage-Fenster verwendet. Eine evtl. längere Vorhaltung ist freiwillig, also mit der Bank klären.
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08:27:53 <reactormonk> fell, hab mal die Bank angeschrieben, danke.
08:36:34 <fell> reactormonk, ich meine mich zu erinnern, daß manche ältere Bewegungen noch irgendwo im Download-Bereich vorhalten, aber ob AqBanking da dran kommt, könntest du mal auf aqbanking-user fragen.
08:37:07 <fell> Da sollte dann da auch ins wiki.
08:38:03 <fell> Zur Not mußt du sie da manuell runterladen und importieren.
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09:22:57 <reactormonk> Wollt ich eh, da ich dann inkrementell den naive bayes befüttern kann.
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12:58:24 <jralls> chris, you might play around with address sanitizer. Gcc's is documented at https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Instrumentation-Options.html. I've used clang's to find some use-after-free bugs that I wasn't able to track down with valgrind or the macOS malloc tools.
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18:43:30 <fell> chris, jralls. perhaps your tricks deserve a section in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Testing?
18:43:59 <jralls> fell, what "tricks" are those?
18:44:26 <jralls> Or are you trying to turn the wiki into a textbook on advanced C programming?
18:48:17 <fell> to find memory leaks etc. Yes the wiki islike "42" - The Answer to Life, the Universe and Everything. ;-)
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19:02:15 <jralls> fell, which explains why it's full of obsolete and irrelevant noise.
19:03:35 <chf> It is not. I like wikis where I find information about previous versions as well.
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19:03:41 <warlord> "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?"
19:04:03 <fell> Perhaps CWehli will move a few snippets into the docs.
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19:04:48 <jralls> chf, but do you like wikis that strive to answer questions better directed at stack overflow?
19:05:06 <fell> At least are we - while translating help to de -also update C.
19:06:55 <chf> I don't particularly like "stack overflow" – it's "too american" (=too commercial) – so yes, I'd appreciate a replacement.
19:08:13 <jralls> In the GnuCash Wiki?
19:09:35 <fell> jralls, about leaks: No guide, but best practice and a few links.
19:10:27 <warlord> jralls, I think a few "how to debug XXX in Gnucash" (even if XXX is a generic thing like a memory leak) makes some sense.
19:13:10 <fell> Our Contributors have a very different background: translators, to few accountants, a few hackers. And sometimes we should try to guide them to related tasks.
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19:15:00 <jralls> That was "too few accountants", right? :-/
19:15:16 <jralls> As in "nowhere near enough".
19:16:56 <jralls> Hackers OTOH need very close supervision or they create 10 problems for every one they fix.
19:16:57 <chf> "Almost no accountants whatsoever"?
19:17:57 <jralls> No, we have CDB-Man, who's a certified accountant in Vancouver and David Cousens who has a master's degree in accounting.
19:18:30 <CDB-Man> In Ottawa*
19:18:36 <jralls> More than none but still not enough.
19:18:52 <jralls> CDB-Man, sorry, I thought you were in my time zone!
19:19:09 <CDB-Man> Only because I'm up at all hours working...
19:19:14 <chf> Cool, but I rather need a european one, and 2 are not enough anyway.
19:21:19 <CDB-Man> I barely count as half a person here, given my hectic work schedule
19:21:59 <CDB-Man> I still owe Chris a thing or 5
19:22:06 <jralls> chf, agree about not enough.
19:26:37 <chf> Whenever I used to talk to accountants over here, I got the answer: "Buy $SOMETHING.", which translates to: "Buy $BAD_PROPRIETARY_SOFTWARE_WITH_VENDOR_LOCKIN_DESIGNED_FOR_DOS_AND_PORTED_TO_WINDOWS."
19:27:04 <chf> Or something really expensive.
19:27:12 <CDB-Man> SAP!
19:27:19 <chf> With vendor login, of course.
19:27:26 <CDB-Man> QuickBooks!
19:27:50 <CDB-Man> I prefer SAP over Oracle Hyperion at least
19:27:54 <CDB-Man> No one likes Oracle
19:28:22 <chf> We HAVE Quickbooks at my scout group.
19:29:05 <chf> An outdated version WITHOUT ANY CHANCE to export our data into somthing usable.
19:29:31 <jralls> chf, sounds like you're asking the wrong question. Ask accountants accounting questions as in how would I account for this with paper and pen books.
19:30:08 <CDB-Man> The "solution" would be to close the books in QuickBooks, and start new with fresh opening balances in a new system
19:30:11 <CDB-Man> No need to export
19:30:14 <chf> I decided to use Gnucash instead, but due to the usual problems, that effort didn't succeed IN THE LAST 3 YEARS.
19:30:23 <CDB-Man> Just keep QuickBooks around for historical archive only
19:31:08 <chf> Yes, we wanted to do that, but the account plan has to be "translated" and we aren't accountants.
19:31:33 <CDB-Man> You mean chart of accounts?
19:31:37 <chf> Tedious work, lots of reading…
19:31:43 <chf> Yes, probably.
19:32:14 <CDB-Man> My own personal chart of accounts has over 500 accounts... Yeah
19:32:58 <chf> In Quickbooks we have the german SKA4, but that's a general purpose thing for small companies.
19:34:28 <chf> I then overworked the SKA49 for "charities" in Gnucash, and we still struggle to figure out: "What belongs where; what can we leave out; what do we really need?"
19:34:33 <CDB-Man> What's SKA
19:34:36 <CDB-Man> 4?*
19:35:30 <CDB-Man> When building the chart of accounts, the first question I would ask is "functionally, from a day to day perspective, what do I need?"
19:35:31 <chf> "Standard Account Frame" from the german society of tax advisors.
19:36:09 <CDB-Man> The second step would be "okay, now that I have the accounts I need, what do I need to incrementally add to meet my reporting obligations?"
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19:37:06 <chf> Well, you are an accountant, but we are scouts, we do not "need" that at all, we MUST do that for the financial authorities.
19:38:15 <chf> Our problem is that the rules are difficult to understand, and wvweyrhing exists 3 times – where to put that?
19:38:23 <chf> everything
19:39:25 <CDB-Man> Well the most basic things I can think of are wages, rent, food, equipment, etc. These types of basic categories get at things that would be functionally useful to track as an organization
19:39:26 <chf> 3 times = "commercial"; "special purpose"; "charity" (probably bad translations of german tax categories).
19:40:07 <chf> We are all volunteers, so no wages, but yes, and that is not the problem.
19:40:46 <CDB-Man> Yeah, country specifics are always challenging... I understand actual accounting standards, as in IFRS, but separate country tax legislation is another thing
19:40:51 <chf> German tax laws are among the wold's most complicated – so are german account charts.
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19:41:12 <chf> +r
19:41:48 <CDB-Man> Unrelated: is your nickname CHF a reference to the Swiss franc?
19:42:00 <chf> And: basically the same rules for Google, Microsoft and Amazon, as for us.
19:42:22 <CDB-Man> confoederatio helvetica franc
19:42:23 <chf> No, to my initals: Christoph Franzen
19:42:47 <CDB-Man> Well, I tried!
19:43:33 <chf> You know the latin origin – not bad for an accountant from the other side of the world.
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19:44:00 <CDB-Man> I'm a fan of global history
19:44:10 <CDB-Man> From China to South America
19:44:55 <chf> I'm from Germany, only about less than a thousand kilometres away from switzerland.
19:45:10 <CDB-Man> Deutschland
19:46:26 <chf> Of course I've got a few Swiss francs and have been there, but that's the only connection apart from the language.
19:47:24 <chf> Well, they speak a special german there, and french, and italian, and another less known roman language.
19:49:01 <chf> They've got a quite good and interesting system of democracy there, though.
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19:49:43 <CDB-Man> Indeed, one of the closest implementations of direct democracy
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19:56:53 <chf> They constantly prove our politicans to be wrong when they claim representative democracy to be better: they did not re-instate the barbaric death penalty, they odn't generally make less intelligent laws than our parties.
19:57:36 <chf> The "party politicians" just want to remain "the princes ofv the universe".
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20:08:46 <fell> And since a few years also women in Appenzell are allowed to vote. ;-)
20:14:32 <fell> chf: die meisten Konten vom SKR49 brauchst du nicht. Ein Zweig ist z.B. dafür, wenn ihr mehr als einen Sportplatz betreibt.
20:15:39 <chf> Weiß ich, fell, „Sport“ haben wir als Nicht-Sportverein schon ausgeblendet.
20:16:43 <chf> Das ist aber dennoch recht umfangreich und es kommen auch Fragen auf, ob wir das im SKR04 überhaupt alles richtig eingeordnet hatten.
20:17:05 <fell> Nur die MWSt. wird schwierig, wenn du mal ben was aus Vaals oder Kelmis besorgst. ;-)
20:18:19 <chf> Wir sind nicht umsatzsteuerpflichtig, also können wir alles „brutto für netto“ buchen und ich habe auch schon die ganzen Umsatzsteuerkategorien ausgeblendet.
20:19:38 <chf> Das Problem ist vielmehr der allgemeine Zeitmangel im Ehrenamt, die Terminfindung und daß wir eigentlich Pfadfinder sind. Wir haben uns nicht als „Freunde der Buschhaltung“ zusammengefunden, sondern für die Jugendarbeit.
20:19:51 <chf> Buchhaltung
20:21:28 <chf> Dies lästige, aber im Detail komplizierte Scheiße (insbesondere, wenn man mit dem Anspruch rangeht, es „endlich mal richtig zu machen“) fällt immer wieder „hinten runter“.
20:22:37 <chf> Jetzt kann ich also schonmal von SKA49-2019 aud SKA49-2021 aktualisieren, während erst etwa die Hälfte der Zuordnungen gemacht ist…
20:22:46 <chf> Faß ohne Boden…
20:23:54 <fell> Ich denke, da gibt es z.B. beim Caritas-Verband Spezialisten, die euch bei solchen Sachen den Rücken freihalten sollen.
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20:27:42 <chf> Wir sind da eher „kirchenfern“, also keine Meßdiener, wir legen Wert auf unsere verbandliche Selbständigkeit und das ist einer der Preise dafür.
20:28:29 <fell> Ich habe als kleiner Händler auch einfach meine Sachbearbeitin im Fiinanzamt gefragt. Als Gegenmeinung hatte ich noch irgendwo den Konz rumliegen.
20:28:54 <chf> Und auch die kennen nur $SOFTWARE, die man dann zu nehmen hat und kein Gnucash, wofür wir uns entschieden haben, weil es eben zumindest potentiell nicht die nicht exportierbare Sackgasse ist.
20:29:56 <chf> Klar, kann man alles lösen, ist aber sehr lästig, also wird es aufgeschoben.
20:31:05 <chf> Haken tut es jetzt in dem Stadium, wo ich nicht mehr alleine an der Aktualisierungd es SKA49 arbeiten kann, sondern mit unserer Kassenführerin zusammen die konkreten Dinge machen müßte.
20:33:05 <chf> Weil die Lernkurve so steil ist, macht sie lieber mit dem ungeliebten Quickbooks mit den unerträglichen, aber bekannten Macken weiter.
20:34:50 <chf> Ich habe den Eindruck, daß sie mit Gnucash nur noch einen Bruchteil der Arbeit haben würde, aber das kann sie selbst nicht so einschätzen und die Anfangshürde verhindert, daß es konkret wird.
20:35:08 <fell> Ach, du hast den? Dann guck noch mal über PR #1023.
20:35:37 <chf> Beispiel 1: nicht mehr „Überweisungen“ erfassen, sondern nur noch Journalbuchungen.
20:36:19 <chf> Beispiel 2: Abruf der Konten der Sparkasse und Aachener Bank statt manueller Erfassung.
20:36:44 <chf> Alleine dafür würde sich meines Erachtens eine zügige Umsetzung lohnen.
20:37:28 <chf> URL zum PR?
20:39:04 <fell> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/1023
20:42:36 <chf> Aha, also zur „Philosophie“: ich hatte mich entschieden, nicht alles, was die Datev „wegschmeißt“, sofort auch in Gnucash zu löschen, sondern solange beizubehalten, wie es nicht wegen Wiederverwendung kollidiert. Grund: gerade bei den Vereinen wird gerne auf „Altständen“ gearbeitet wegen: siehe mein Gejammere oben.
20:44:16 <chf> Ohne es jetzt nachgeschaut zu haben, würde ich also „SKR49: drop duplicate account 5490“ gefühlsmäßig ablehnen „wegen Altlast“, das andere ist aber vermutlich relevant.
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20:46:25 <chf> Mein Ansatz bei der Überarbeitung war, „Altlasten“ in den Kommentaren deutlich zu kennzeichnen, aber nicht gleich „wegzumachen“.
20:47:27 <fell> Ich meine, der tauchte in 2 Zweigen auf.
20:47:47 <chf> Da ganz KDE „unsere“ Kontenrahmen nutzt, bin ich noch vorsichtiger…
20:49:19 <chf> Ja, muß meist mehrmals da sein: „Ideeller Bereich“, „Zweckbetriebe“, „Wirtschaftliche Geschäfzsbetriebe“: das sind rein stuerrrechtlcihe Kategorien für eigentlich die gleichen „Inhalte“.
20:49:49 <fell> Aber nicht mit derselben nummer
20:50:14 <chf> DAS ist es ja, was die Sache so schwierig macht.
20:51:17 <chf> Nö. wenn selbe Nummer, damnn ist das ein Fehler, aber möglciherweise ein „Kopierfehler“ und nicht „Anwesenheitsfehler“, Lösung wäre also womöglich nicht Löschung, sondern Nummern-Anpassung.
20:51:47 <chf> Ohen das jetzt überprüft zu haben – nur so „aus dem Kopf“.
20:51:56 <chf> Ohne
20:52:15 <chf> Ich treffe die Tasten nicht mehr, wie Du siehst…
20:54:14 <chf> Problem hier konkret: meines Wissens nach bin ich der letzte „Überarbeiter“ des SKA49, ich bekomme aber NICHTS davon mit, wenn diesbezüglich Fehler oder Anpassungswünsche gemeldet werden.
20:54:34 <fell> Guck es dir die Tage mal in Ruhe an.
20:54:35 <chf> Gibt es dafür eine Lösung, fell?
20:54:53 <chf> Kann ich da was „selektiv abonnieren“?
20:55:08 <fell> Stehst du in der Datei drin?
20:55:58 <fell> Gute Frage …
20:56:15 <chf> Im „Kommentar“ zum Kontenrahmen: ja, da sind die „Bearbeiter“ einschließlich meiner selbst aufgeführt.
20:57:29 <chf> Sonst nicht – ich bekomme also konkrete Änderungswünsche dann UND NUR DANN mit, wenn man sie mir (zusätzlich) übermittelt.
20:58:05 <chf> Was als „Pull Request“ eingereicht wird, entgeht mir derzeit.
20:58:40 <chf> Gleiches gilt für den „Kontenrahmen für die Immobilienwirtschaft“.
20:58:53 <chf> Das ist gelinde gesagt nicht ideal.
20:59:00 <fell> Wenn du auf Github angemeldet bist, spiel mal mit den einstellungen hinter dem Knopf "Watch" (2.Zeile)
20:59:17 <chf> Bin ich…
20:59:29 <chf> Mal sehen demnächst…
21:00:08 <chf> Muß man da „Projekte“ auswählen oder geht das feingranularer?
21:00:29 <fell> Das ist die Frage.
21:00:40 <chf> Mist!
21:01:01 <fell> Mal auf ein i klicken, um in die Doku zu kommen…
21:01:10 <chf> Immer nur Fragen, und Forschungsbedarf, niemals einfache Antworten…
21:03:41 <chf> <SEUFZ> jetzt hab' ich wieder einen potentiellen Haufen Arbeit, ohne daß mir jemand BEI MEINEM EHRENAMT konkret weitergeholfen hätte…
21:04:32 <chf> Das ist der Grund, warum immer alles immer später fertig wird und „fertig ist, wenn es fertig ist“.
21:08:11 <chf> Was auch nervt: die Leite, die sowas einreichen wollen ja (zumindest teil-unneigennützig) was verbessern und bekommen den Eindruck vermittelt, ignoriert zu werden.
21:08:36 <chf> fell: Da sehe ich enormen Verbesserungsbedarf.
21:08:46 <chf> Leute
21:09:01 <chf> einreichen, wollen
21:09:46 <chf> Tastendruckversäumniskrankheit…
21:11:16 <fell> Vielleicht sowas wie https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19169787/github-file-change-notification
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21:14:49 <chf> Hmja, aber ich will ja nicht erst informiert werden, wenn jemand „meine“ Kontenrahmen verändert hat, sondern VOEHER, also wenn eine Anfrage/Beschwerde/… über welchen Kanal auch immer eingereicht worden ist.
21:15:05 <chf> VORHER
21:16:37 <fell> Ja, war nur ein erster Versuch, feiner als Repo zu granulieren.
21:18:27 <fell> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14609652/how-to-get-specific-github-notifications-like-pull-requests-or-assigned-issues
21:19:46 <chf> Also: Beispiel: mein „Vorgänger“ beim SKR49 hatte mir nicht geantwortet. Ich weiß nicht, woran das gescheitert ist, kann dem also keinen Vorwurf machen, hätte aber gerne, daß das bei mir anders ist, kann das aber nicht gewährleisten, weil ich nicht über alle möglichen Kommunikationsversuche unterrichted werde.
21:23:06 <fell> https://docs.github.com/en/github/creating-cloning-and-archiving-repositories/creating-a-repository-on-github/about-code-owners
21:25:34 <fell> jralls, do we want to set it ^ up?
21:26:45 <jralls> No. We want only the special code.gnucash.org user to write to github.
21:27:45 <jralls> "The people you choose as code owners must have write permissions for the repository. "
21:27:45 <fell> Hu? Its about notification
21:28:30 <chf> MEINE FRESSE: genau wie ich das befürchted hatte: da muß ich Gott-weiß-was unternehmen, um was zu bewirken, aber es hilft nicht wirklich?
21:29:39 <fell> right, strange condition
21:30:43 <jralls> I suppose it's because code owners are supposed to be able to merge from the Github UI.
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21:32:27 <chf> Oh, well, why use MS-owned Githup, when there are such issues?
21:32:38 <chf> Github
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21:38:47 <jralls> chf For the same reason we use weblate: It's a convenient way to make our code public and to get contributions from outside the core group.
21:40:02 <jralls> Our use is a bit outside of what their model so not every feature works. That's OK, it helps us maintain control.
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21:44:58 <fell> Perhaps another approach: L10N-Teams for accounts subirs
21:45:49 <jralls> fell, what's the goal?
21:47:13 <fell> to enable language specific notifications like review PR for SKRxx
21:48:57 <fell> chf knows some of them better than I.
21:49:16 <chf> jralls: while I feel responsible for my account template contributions, I cannot guarantee to be notified about complaints/suggestions/… If a lot of work is required on my part, that unfortunately won't change.
21:50:25 <chf> And I doubt that I am more competent in ANY Gnucash issue than fell.
21:50:30 <jralls> chf, that's pretty much true for everyone here, it's an all-volunteer effort.
21:51:02 <jralls> fell, https://docs.github.com/en/organizations/organizing-members-into-teams/managing-code-review-assignment-for-your-team says "Code review assignment is available with GitHub Team, GitHub Enterprise Server 2.20+, and GitHub Enterprise Cloud. For more information, see "GitHub's products."
21:51:13 <jralls> IOW paid accounts only.
21:53:04 <fell> OK, dead end again
21:59:31 <chf> For the record: I probably know only 2 german account templates better than fell, because I've made/heavily overworked those: 1) Kontenrahmen für die Wohnungswirtschaft/Immobilienwirtschaft (template for houses , but GERMAN TAX LEGISLATION ONLY) and 2) SKR49 (for german charities). In any other aspect, fell knows probably more than me.
22:01:28 <fell> and some aspects of Flatpak. :-)
22:02:09 <fell> BTW I would trust Chris Good and simply translate his changes.
22:03:57 <chf> I won'r "simply translate" anything, because I'd like to verify that beforehand.
22:04:07 <chf> won't
22:05:49 <chf> That's a requirement both for making a good translation, as well as for finding errors in the original BEFORE translation.
22:10:23 <chf> I want to deliver ONLY high quality work.
22:11:50 <chf> Other than Debian advocates, which I'm otherwise quite fond of…
22:13:35 <fell> And so our docs still describe since 1.7 deprecated parts … ;-)
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22:15:53 <fell> Te birds start singing. Time to leave …
22:17:05 <chf> That's not a problem since there are people out there still using 1.7! However, people should get notifications about "deprecation" in older versions and "the state of the art".
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