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10:18:30 <chris> #1019 jralls sorry for duplicating your review; added a few more especially freeing boxed guid.
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11:10:55 <chris> oops no good will try again
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11:14:37 <chris> have merged the runaway leak -- qof_print_date leaked 10-bytes for each date-cell, for every gui refresh
11:15:12 <chris> and the gncEntryLedger fix plugged 18Kb leak
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11:16:37 <chris> s/10/35 bytes
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13:55:54 <Marcel> Hello everyone. I started using GnuCash for my company and have a problem with foreign currencies. In the balance sheet I do get unrealized losses which shouldn't be there. They are causing the balance sheet to not be in balance anymore
14:08:13 <jralls> chris, gncEntryLedger leak will depend on the number of tax accounts, but it's a good catch. warlord fooled himself about the GLixt ownership when he wrote it 19 years ago and it's been leaking ever since!
14:10:26 <jralls> Marcel: Why do you think that the forex losses shouldn't be there?
14:16:55 <fell> jralls, in traditional german accounting only realized gains and losses go in the balance.
14:18:14 <jralls> fell, Ah! Marcel needs to change the price source on the report to Average Cost.
14:18:43 <Marcel> The only foreign currency positions are some liabilities, none of the assets are. now for example my assets are 100, liabilities are 50, equity is 50. on top i now get 1 unrealised losses and it's not in balance anymore
14:19:13 <Marcel> when using average cost, the imbalance get's even larger
14:20:33 <Marcel> i tried all different price sources, using weighted average causes the smallest imbalance
14:21:32 <jralls> Marcel, it doesn't matter whether the forex is asset or liability. Do you have closed forex positions that you didn't book the gains or losses on?
14:22:09 <fell> sprich mal mit deinem steuerberater über Abschreibungen.
14:22:43 <fell> (=depreciation)
14:23:58 <jralls> An *unrealized* loss might occur if you borrowed £40 and booked it as €50 but at the current rate it's worth €51.
14:24:43 <jralls> fell, depreciation is a tax benefit on a fixed asset. I think you mean something else.
14:25:03 <fell> You should analyze the sources of the losses. Result all from forex or are a. other commodities involved?
14:25:20 <Marcel> jralls: when paying the bill, i used the actual conversion rate from the bank. I'm pretty sure it's different to the one that was used when booking it. So I have to manually adjust for these?
14:26:04 <jralls> Yes, or change the booking value to match.
14:26:38 <jralls> You should consult an accountant about which is correct in your case.
14:27:18 <fell> jralls,we have a few different strong lowest-value instead of fair-value principles. so in some casses you have to correct the value.
14:27:52 <jralls> Yeah, that's why I said to ask an accountant. This stuff gets complicated.
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14:30:46 <fell> Marcel, had you read https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_currency.html
14:32:39 <fell> Haben wir sogar in deutsch: https://code.gnucash.org/docs/de/gnucash-guide/chapter_currency.html
14:32:57 <fell> Weiß nur nicht, wie aktuell das ist
14:33:54 <Marcel> Das hab ich mir durchgelesen. Hab auch die automatischen Wechselkurse drin und für separat Konten für Fremdwährungen
14:36:28 <fell> Grundsätzlich gelten für dich erstmal die Kurse, die sich aus deinen Belegen ergeben. Online-Kurse dienen zur Einschätzung der Entwicklung.
14:40:21 <Marcel> Die einzigen Kurse die ich in den Belegen hab kommen bei Zahlung von der Bank. Die Rechnungen haben keine Kurse
14:41:26 <fell> und wie hast du die Rechnungen eingebucht?
14:42:33 <Marcel> Die Rechnungen sind mit den online Kursen eingebucht
14:43:40 <fell> Und die waren niedriger als was die Bank dir berechnet?
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14:47:26 <Marcel> ich geh mal davon aus, Banken geben immer schlechtere Kurse. Prinzipiell ist es mir auch egal, dass da unrealized losses drin sind. Ich finde nur nicht raus wo die herkommen um sie irgendwie auszugleichen damit die Bilanz aufgeht
14:52:06 <Marcel> Ich hab im Januar und Februar offene Verbindlichkeiten in Fremdwährung. Wenn ich mir die Bilanz per Januar oder Februar anschaue passt alles, im März kommt dann plötzlich der unrealized loss mit rein
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15:09:07 <fell> Dann ist wohl der Kurs der Währung gestiegen.
15:09:36 <fell> Tschuldigung - Kaffee war alle.
15:13:01 <Marcel> ich hab mir die Kurse mit ausgeben lassen. Von Januar auf Februar ändern sich die Kurse auch
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15:15:48 <fell> Hast du eigentlich Devisenhandelskonten aktiviert?
15:16:39 <Marcel> Die Trial Balance hat einen price source Nearest in Time. Die geht auf. Wenn ich Nearest in Time auch für das Balance Sheet einstelle hab ich Unrealised Gains von 0, aber Aktiva und Passiva stimmen nicht überein
15:18:06 <Marcel> Ich hab separate Konten für die Hauptwährung und für jede Fremdwährung. Habe ich übersehen noch irgendwo etwas separat zu aktivieren?
15:21:21 <Marcel> Wenn ich in der Trial Balance den price source auf Average Cost umstelle verschwindet die Position mit den Unrealized Losses
15:22:13 <fell> in Datei->Eigenschaften->Konten
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15:23:03 <fell> Ja so sollte es sein.
15:25:22 <Marcel> im Englischen ist das der Haken bei "Use Trading Accounts"?
15:27:01 <fell> ja
15:28:03 <fell> War der bisher gesetzt?
15:28:08 <Marcel> nein
15:28:37 <Marcel> jetzt klappts!
15:28:45 <Marcel> Vielen Vielen Dank!
15:29:29 <fell> Sehr Schön!
15:29:56 <fell> Summary "Use Trading Accounts" was unset.
15:31:12 <Marcel> Thank you very much fell! Have a nice evening everyone
15:31:31 <fell> Wecome!
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