2021-02-19 GnuCash IRC logs
00:08:55 *** ArtGravity has quit IRC
00:34:20 *** giuseppef__ has joined #gnucash
00:35:16 *** giuseppef_ has quit IRC
00:54:12 <frakturfreak> jralls: oh, sorry, I accidently had something on the keyboard
01:02:47 *** Mechtilde has joined #gnucash
01:07:05 *** fell has quit IRC
01:07:56 *** fell has joined #gnucash
01:07:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o fell
01:29:56 *** suukim has joined #gnucash
01:43:01 *** frakturfreak has quit IRC
01:48:14 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
01:48:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
01:48:44 *** suukim has quit IRC
01:50:41 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
01:57:33 *** frakturfreak has joined #gnucash
02:12:37 *** giuseppef_ has joined #gnucash
02:13:46 *** giuseppef__ has quit IRC
02:35:51 *** bertbob has quit IRC
02:38:31 *** bertbob has joined #gnucash
02:38:31 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v bertbob
03:05:35 *** gjanssens has joined #gnucash
03:05:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o gjanssens
03:22:54 *** bertbob has quit IRC
03:26:20 *** bertbob has joined #gnucash
03:26:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v bertbob
04:52:52 *** Aussie_matt has quit IRC
05:28:34 *** storyjesse has joined #gnucash
05:44:47 *** field^Mop has joined #gnucash
05:45:21 *** Aussie_matt has joined #gnucash
05:51:14 *** Guest62 has joined #gnucash
05:53:06 *** David has quit IRC
05:53:25 *** David has joined #gnucash
06:10:46 *** storyjesse has quit IRC
06:23:54 *** User__ has joined #gnucash
06:32:31 *** User__ has quit IRC
06:35:01 *** David has quit IRC
06:35:09 *** David has joined #gnucash
06:48:37 *** mikey has quit IRC
06:52:43 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
07:23:44 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
07:23:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
07:28:59 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
07:45:41 *** qwer has joined #gnucash
08:00:20 *** Aussie_matt has quit IRC
08:07:06 *** qwer has quit IRC
08:07:20 *** qwer has joined #gnucash
08:56:13 <warlord> .
08:56:44 <warlord> jralls, Wm has not responded to the ultimatum; it's been more than 24 hours now, so I say you are welcome to block him at your leisure.
08:56:55 <warlord> s/ultimatum/final warning/
08:58:51 <chris> 👍
09:02:38 *** Jimraehl1 has joined #gnucash
09:03:23 *** Jimraehl1 has quit IRC
09:20:01 <chris> why is gnc-pricedb.c' indirect_price_conversion so convoluted?
09:22:10 <warlord> chris, lots of corner cases?
09:22:18 <warlord> (define "convoluted" in context?)
09:27:29 <chris> means too difficult to understand!
09:32:42 <warlord> Well, the issue is that the PDB could have prices for A->B OR B->A -- so when trying to get from A-C it needs to look for a path that gets you there, but the path could include an "inverted" price.
09:33:03 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
09:41:15 *** Agfarmer18 has joined #gnucash
09:44:33 <CDB-PHONE> warlord: speak of the devil
09:44:36 <CDB-PHONE> he just replied
09:44:46 <CDB-PHONE> he now steps on you
09:53:32 <CDB-PHONE> and... he can't help himself but reply a second time and pour more gasoline on his own fire
10:02:55 <chris> warlord: playground - trying O(N) instead of multiple passes - http://paste.debian.net/1186102/
10:03:34 <CDB-PHONE> and... he adds a third comment
10:03:47 <CDB-PHONE> foot firmly in mouth
10:04:35 <CDB-PHONE> >> @Derek don't talk to me until you have sorted out the bad people, you fool.
10:04:35 <CDB-PHONE> I'm one of the good guys. I understand accounting.
10:11:39 <CDB-PHONE> he just can't stop can he? a 4th reply?
10:13:32 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
10:20:51 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
10:20:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
10:26:24 <warlord> jralls, what is the process for banning Wm from BZ?
10:29:50 *** mydogsnameisrudy has joined #gnucash
10:36:19 *** mydogsnameisrudy has quit IRC
10:40:49 <CDB-PHONE> he's really convinced that I'm an idiot that doesn't know accounting...
10:41:05 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
10:46:52 <warlord> I want to say "because that makes you look like Trump", but that might just support it.
10:47:40 *** finster has left #gnucash
10:50:37 <warlord> I honestly don't know how to respond without using ad-hominems myself.
11:02:59 *** Mechtilde has quit IRC
11:03:35 *** Mechtilde has joined #gnucash
11:10:00 *** cybertani[m] has quit IRC
11:10:00 *** NewNick has quit IRC
11:10:44 *** PeterScholtens[m] has quit IRC
11:10:47 *** peter-butler[m] has quit IRC
11:11:37 *** ErikSchillingAblu[m] has quit IRC
11:11:37 *** ElonSatoshi[m] has quit IRC
11:11:50 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
11:11:50 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
11:11:57 *** jcarl43 has joined #gnucash
11:11:57 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v jcarl43
11:16:09 *** katco[m] has quit IRC
11:16:19 <CDB-PHONE> warlord well to his last comment
11:16:44 <CDB-PHONE> perhaps tell him " we are of the view you are factually incorrect in this scenario"
11:16:49 <CDB-PHONE> just to really make a point
11:17:39 <CDB-PHONE> since he keeps saying " well you never said I'm wrong yet, so [CDB] must be the one that's factually wrong"
11:17:59 <warlord> I have not read through the bug to ascertain correctness.
11:18:24 <CDB-PHONE> the alternative is to say this then:
11:19:39 <CDB-PHONE> "there is nothing to suggest at this time that CDB is wrong. further, even if you are correct (no assessment has yet to be made on you), your delivery of your view renders any collegial discussions impossible"
11:23:51 <CDB-PHONE> "such an antagonistic approach to conversation is anathema to reasoned discussion"
11:24:44 <CDB-PHONE> "and as such you will no longer be entertained here"
11:30:23 *** ArtGravity has joined #gnucash
11:30:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ArtGravity
11:38:53 *** guak has joined #gnucash
11:52:28 *** peter-butler[m] has joined #gnucash
12:00:04 *** jervin has quit IRC
12:03:34 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
12:15:15 *** cybertani[m] has joined #gnucash
12:16:10 *** halipaul has joined #gnucash
12:23:51 *** ErikSchillingAblu[m] has joined #gnucash
12:24:19 *** ElonSatoshi[m] has joined #gnucash
12:26:21 *** NewNick has joined #gnucash
12:27:32 <warlord> jralls, just sent you some DMs
12:30:23 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
12:33:37 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
12:34:13 *** jervin has quit IRC
12:43:11 <warlord> Hey, looks like www is back online.
12:43:21 <warlord> I wonder if that means Linas has power again.
12:44:25 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
12:54:10 *** katco[m] has joined #gnucash
12:57:32 *** Pegasus_RPG has quit IRC
13:26:27 <CDB-PHONE> I hope everyone in Texas is doing alright
13:32:45 <warlord> Indeed.
13:35:12 <CDB-PHONE> not to belabor the point, but does Wm have any basis to make his claim? >> " I'm one of the good guys. I understand accounting. "
13:35:42 <CDB-PHONE> accounting background? CPA? finance? MBA? anything?
13:35:49 *** halipaul has quit IRC
13:37:22 *** Agfarmer18 has quit IRC
13:43:30 <warlord> CDB-PHONE, I have no idea.
13:46:31 <fell> In German you can use the same word for economy and pub, allowing manx jokes..
13:50:16 <fell> So I beleve he is a "Wirtschafts-Exprte" ;-)
14:00:22 <CDB-PHONE> interesting
14:00:52 <CDB-PHONE> "die Wirtschaft" per Google for "pub, saloon"
14:01:21 <CDB-PHONE> but also "die kniepe", what's the difference?
14:10:20 <fell> I believe Kneipe is derived from Sebastian Kneipp, a prayer who teached als to improve your health by dipping your feets in cold water etc.
14:11:45 <fell> ... and some applied a fluid (beer) inside.
14:19:37 *** jw4 has quit IRC
14:21:21 <fell> Oh no, it is older.
14:22:57 <fell> Many pubs are very closely, so the guest have to pinch - lower german: knipen,
14:32:58 *** chris has quit IRC
14:33:52 *** PeterScholtens[m] has joined #gnucash
14:34:11 *** Agfarmer18 has joined #gnucash
14:35:06 *** chris has joined #gnucash
14:35:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v chris
14:35:07 *** gncbot sets mode: +o chris
14:36:10 *** jw4 has joined #gnucash
14:38:14 <jralls> warlord, the procedure for banning is Admin>Users, then find the user, select, and edit. Put something in Disable text (I used "abusive" for Wm) and tick the Bugmail Disabled box.
14:41:09 <jralls> I've begun going through all of his posts and tagging "offtopic" all the ones that are.
14:42:28 <fell> jralls, put the procedure in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla_Administration#Administrative_Settings?
14:43:26 <jralls> fell, What's wrong with the BZ documentation?
14:43:52 <fell> at least alink
14:49:18 <fell> and a sentence about our poilicy.
14:49:36 *** qwer has quit IRC
14:50:48 *** gjanssens has quit IRC
14:51:21 <jralls> To have a policy we need a code of conduct. That might be a good thing to have, but it's a topic for gnucash-core rather than here.
14:53:13 <warlord> ok
15:16:01 *** ArtGravity has quit IRC
15:29:58 <CDB-PHONE> 👍
15:42:27 *** mydogsnameisrudy has joined #gnucash
15:53:26 *** mydogsnameisrudy has quit IRC
16:03:12 *** jw4 has quit IRC
16:03:53 *** jw4 has joined #gnucash
16:08:04 *** Mechtilde has quit IRC
16:27:20 *** KaiForce has quit IRC
16:35:45 *** Agfarmer18 has quit IRC
16:43:07 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
16:52:46 <chris> warlord: just as well you weren't challenged to a trial by combat
16:53:43 <warlord> Bwahahaha
16:54:01 <warlord> "to the pain...."
17:00:41 *** ArtGravity has joined #gnucash
17:00:41 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v ArtGravity
17:25:11 *** ericdm has quit IRC
17:27:09 *** ericdm has joined #gnucash
17:27:29 *** Agfarmer18 has joined #gnucash
17:30:21 *** Agfarmer18 has quit IRC
17:48:37 <CDB-PHONE> Chris: perhaps one day, we can harness his boundless energy and use it to create a perpetual motion machine
18:22:42 *** jw4 has quit IRC
18:29:13 *** jw4 has joined #gnucash
18:29:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v jw4
19:04:08 *** truelehr has joined #gnucash
19:35:57 *** jcarl43 has quit IRC
19:44:50 *** CDB-PHONE has quit IRC
19:44:57 *** CDB-PHONE has joined #gnucash
19:44:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v CDB-PHONE
19:45:03 *** CDB-PHONE has quit IRC
19:45:06 *** CDB-PHONE has joined #gnucash
19:45:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v CDB-PHONE
19:46:47 *** field^Mop has quit IRC
19:51:04 *** truelehr has quit IRC
20:23:00 *** truelehr has joined #gnucash
20:54:02 *** ArtGravity has quit IRC
20:54:52 *** truelehr has quit IRC
21:02:24 <CDB-Man> jralls: don't forget to delete him from the CC on the ticket as well
21:03:37 *** Aussie_matt has joined #gnucash
21:11:13 *** guak has quit IRC
21:14:31 <warlord> CDB-Man, why? might as well let him keep receiving mail for updates ... what's the worst that can happen? he gets even more pissed off?
21:15:00 <CDB-Man> Well if you put it that way..m
21:15:45 <CDB-PHONE> way... *
21:18:17 <CDB-PHONE> Hmm curious then, if he's banned, can he still login to remove himself? if no he cannot, then perhaps that's it's own form of punishment
21:50:55 <CDB-PHONE> Chris: your idea of a level 0 super parent account to use to define home currency, that would work for stock accounts which inherit currency from their direct parent... but if there's non stocks accounts in between, the super parent will not flow all the way down
21:51:24 <CDB-PHONE> also things like a cash or a liability account can have their own currency flag, which means the super parent is ignored
21:51:29 <CDB-PHONE> no currency inheritance
21:53:03 *** David has quit IRC
21:53:31 *** David has joined #gnucash
22:18:55 <CDB-PHONE> warlord, I just posted a reply to the ticket, and it looks like even though he's still in cc, the "changes submitted" message that lists all email recipients did not include Wm in the email list
22:19:17 <CDB-PHONE> so his inclusion on the cc list is meaningless it seems
23:03:52 *** Aussie_matt has quit IRC
23:12:18 <chris> CDB-PHONE: there's always an effective root account. The info doesn't have to flow down -- root is always accessible. From my understanding ROOT(CAD):Asset-Broker(USD):Stock(SPY) would be denoted in your CAD base currency, no?
23:13:39 <chris> The issue (from my naive POV) is those who have Root(CAD):Eurobank(EUR) and Root(CAD):UKBank(GBP) and create a transfer 16 EUR -> 10 GBP -- would they be required to input a EUR:USD and GBPUSD Fx?
23:13:48 <CDB-PHONE> Chris my tree is Assets(CAD): Investments (CAD): Broker (CAD): USD placeholder(USD): SPY (stock)
23:13:51 *** truelehr has joined #gnucash
23:13:58 <CDB-PHONE> the SPY account is in USD
23:14:26 <CDB-PHONE> the super root of Assets (CAD) does not flow down
23:14:42 <CDB-PHONE> SPY stock inherits from its direct parent only
23:14:43 *** truelehr has quit IRC
23:14:49 <chris> ^ for now
23:14:54 <CDB-PHONE> as per my memo in the note
23:15:08 <CDB-PHONE> well yes, if we can change it that would be awesome
23:16:15 <CDB-PHONE> [23:13] (@chris) The issue (from my naive POV) is those who have Root(CAD):Eurobank(EUR) and Root(CAD):UKBank(GBP) and create a transfer 16 EUR -> 10 GBP -- would they be required to input a EUR:USD and GBPUSD Fx?
23:16:21 <CDB-PHONE> I think you mean EUR CAD
23:16:29 <CDB-PHONE> and the answer is yes
23:16:47 <chris> ^ hence the non-intuitiveness of this approach; or how some long-term users will be surprised
23:16:48 <CDB-PHONE> EUR CAD and GBP CAD
23:17:05 <chris> "I'm moving my foreign millions... why does it require the fx to my home currency?
23:17:06 <CDB-PHONE> well it won't matter if price db has a master import
23:17:38 <CDB-PHONE> price db should automatically lookup the CAD rates for such a transaction
23:17:48 <CDB-PHONE> and the lookup is as per transaction date
23:17:54 <chris> FWIW I *do* like the idea of an invariant root home currency, it will simplify so much
23:18:06 <CDB-PHONE> currency the fetch rates button uses date = today()
23:18:31 <chris> remember gnucash is designed to work offline
23:18:34 <CDB-PHONE> one of the bug reports is a feature enhancement for fetch rates to fetch historical
23:18:55 <CDB-PHONE> bug 797912
23:19:12 <CDB-PHONE> yes, but that also assumes simple scenarios
23:19:43 <CDB-PHONE> a Canadian trading their euros for pounds is by no means a non sophisticated trader
23:19:47 <CDB-PHONE> they ought to know better
23:20:11 <CDB-PHONE> that or the amount is petty cash left over from a vacation
23:20:20 <CDB-PHONE> and hence the dollar value is immaterial
23:20:48 <CDB-PHONE> [23:17] (@chris) "I'm moving my foreign millions... why does it require the fx to my home currency?
23:20:54 <CDB-PHONE> this is also a matter of education
23:21:31 <CDB-PHONE> and also excludes the fact that technically a euro to pound conversion also has an FX capital gain to report
23:21:34 <CDB-PHONE> in CAD terms
23:21:45 <CDB-PHONE> based on the CAD cost basis of the GBP
23:22:07 *** chris-phone has joined #gnucash
23:22:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v chris-phone
23:25:05 <chris> ^ I appreciate this part-- it'll be a surprise for some
23:26:18 <CDB-PHONE> the majority of one's that won't understand, are also likely mainly in the camp of "my only foreign currency is from my vacation"
23:26:31 <CDB-PHONE> the ones that invest in foreign currency ought to know that they are doing
23:26:46 <CDB-PHONE> if they don't, perhaps they shouldn't be making such investments...
23:51:00 *** chris-phone has quit IRC