2020-12-17 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:24:37 <jralls_laptop> fell, On weblate I set automatic commit to 168 hours so that we'd have a week to review changes there and not have them automagically committed.
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00:26:03 <fell> But this way we get super PRs with many languages in
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00:27:02 <jralls_laptop> chris, that QR library looks like it's pretty actively developed so it would be better not to put it into borrowed. I haven't looked, is it in any distros? Are there other QR libs out there? Does it really make sense to add this QR feature or would it only benefit AU users?
00:27:45 <fell> SE europe
00:28:21 <fell> In former Yugoslavia they requireit.
00:28:26 <jralls_laptop> fell, IIUC you can commit manually. I did, accidentally the nb changes yesterday.
00:29:30 <fell> This norwegian guy asked for a manager position.
00:29:33 <jralls_laptop> All of former Yugoslavia? I thought those guys couldn't even agree that they're all human, never mind any sort of accounting standards.
00:30:35 <fell> Not everything was wrong under Tito. Later things got worse.
00:32:26 <jralls_laptop> Yeah, the Norwegian guy is pretty pushy. I haven't seen anything resembling a reputation score on weblate, so unless there's some way to determine that he's got a lot of experience and a strongly positive rep I'm not inclined to hand over any keys.
00:33:17 <fell> I did until now not find any granularity.
00:35:06 <fell> I would like to assign language managers, our former "Last Translater" field.
00:38:41 <jralls_laptop> I saw a reference to "weblate controls the language team field" once and then couldn't find it again to set it or unset it or whatever.
00:40:26 <jralls_laptop> I've got https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnucash/gnucash/nl/#history open and it's got a Manage>Commit menu item. I'd like that to be "commit this language's changes" but I don't know if that's what it does or if it commits everything.
00:41:24 <jralls_laptop> But my reason for setting the automatic commit period to a week is to buy us time to figure that out.
00:42:45 <fell> From my understading that is only the interval for their pushs (commit or PR)
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00:47:58 <fell> Another point: we should include the pot files to allow new languages.
00:50:10 <fell> https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/access.html#groups
00:50:16 <jralls_laptop> No, it's the automatic interval for commits. Nothing to do with pushes/PRs: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/projects.html#component-commit-pending-age
00:51:53 <fell> but: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/access.html#acl
00:52:25 <jralls_laptop> Potfiles are build products and putting build products in the repo makes a mess. We can easily generate new language po files and commit them, so I set that to "contact maintainers.
00:53:44 <jralls_laptop> Huh? What does access control lists--which is a paid feature, BTW, not available to Libre accounts--have to do with it?
00:55:53 <fell> No, that is about assigning roles again.
00:56:06 <jralls_laptop> So I'm going to try an experiment: I'll click commit from the NL translation. If it's global then it will also commit chris's French translations.
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00:57:32 <jralls_laptop> Are you going to the same place that I get from your link? I get the header "Adding permissions to languages, components or projects" followed by the note "This feature is not available for projects running the Hosted Libre plan." What do you see?
00:58:06 <chris-phone> Jralls QR library will be an interesting add... Will need a templating library, and array->PNG or I can concoct scheme to html squares library
01:01:07 <jralls_laptop> chris, make a feature branch to play around in your own repo if you want. That's why feature branches and personal repos are a thing.
01:01:14 <fell> i now started reading from top of admin/access.htm
01:02:24 <chris-phone> Would love to play but not much time.
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01:04:54 <chris-phone> Weblate is much more fun than editing po files
01:05:35 <fell> But we will have to enable several checks.
01:05:42 <jralls_laptop> fell, I think the experiment worked but I'm not sure, there doesn't seem to be a way to get at the actual repo.
01:07:38 <fell> "there doesn't seem to be a way to get at the actual repo."???
01:10:11 <jralls_laptop> Weblate has its own repo; ATM is has 8 commits and 3 potential commits that aren't in github.com/gnucash/gnucash. I see that at https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/gnucash/gnucash/#repository. What I don't see is a way to examine those commits and pending commits to find out what's what.
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01:10:26 <chris-phone> A major issue with po files is the requirement to negotiate with the last translator.
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01:11:19 <jralls_laptop> But if you want to turn the 8 commits into a PR go there and click the Push button.
01:13:41 <fell> The weblate changes are in PR832, 842, 844… and the 168h buffer
01:13:42 <jralls_laptop> chris-phone, You're confusing the mechanics with the policy. Weblate is still editing po files, just in a more convenient way. It removes the possibility of negotiating with the last translator: Anyone at all can come along and edit or create a translation for a single string.
01:16:33 <jralls_laptop> No, only 832 is weblate. 842 and 843 are giuseppef_'s and 844 is a new Finnish translator who didn't use weblate.
01:19:43 <jralls_laptop> So I clicked the push button and it committed the 3 pending changes... and didn't create a PR. It's past my bedtime. I'll poke at it some more tomorrow morning.
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01:19:47 <fell> yes, and 838 is growing
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02:33:12 <giuseppef> Jralls, sorry for the double pr, the first one is a mistake
02:41:58 <giuseppef> fell, thanks for fix commits, I was asleep
02:43:28 <fell> guiseppef instead of closing and create a new PR, you can also force push your branch.
02:47:58 <giuseppef_> fell, I see them as closed now. What should I do? If needed I can start from zero and making new PR
02:48:26 <fell> update your repo
02:48:58 <fell> fetch on gnucash
02:49:36 <giuseppef_> ok, thanks
02:50:27 <fell> You can verify I did not miss something?
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02:52:22 <fell> BTW, https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 is a good source to learn the by jralls requested squashing.
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05:49:54 <fell> giuseppef, about https://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2020/12/16.html#T20:04:10 can you not use account code instead?
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07:43:43 <fell> Warlord, do you think, we could have a not public, receive-only email list gnucash-fints? Background: https://www.hbci-zka.de/register/bedingungen_bankenliste.htm currently cstim's address is registered there for gnucash.
07:44:09 <warlord> fell, what does "fints" mean?
07:44:26 <fell> German online banking
07:44:58 <fell> The send on regular base a list of valid servver URLs.
07:46:54 <warlord> It would certainly be possible to set up a list like gnucash-announce that only allows certain senders to post. Is that what you're asking for?
07:49:11 <fell> The list must not be public visible.
07:50:35 <fell> and the purpose is to forward mails to devs intersted on german online banking, because of their NDA.
07:57:38 <warlord> OH. I see. So it cannot allow anyone to subscribe and archives not public.
07:58:13 <fell> Exact
07:58:45 <warlord> Is there a reason to have a central list instead of the appropriate devs subscribing directly?
08:01:01 <fell> I *assume* they have only one email address/product key.
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08:07:06 <fell> https://www.hbci-zka.de/register/register_faq.htm: 10.
08:07:08 <fell> Which email address should be given in the registration form?
08:07:09 <fell> If possible, a general email address (e.g. the product hotline) should be used. This can then be distributed internally to any employee in the company. This avoids the expense of making changes in the central mailing list in the event of personnel changes.
08:07:11 <fell> In general, you can only enter a single email address per manufacturer.
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08:35:05 *** fell changes topic to "Free GPL Personal and Small Business Accounting || Please don't ask to ask, just ask and wait! (Possibly a few hours!!) || publicly-logged channel: https://code.gnucash.org/logs || latest stable: 4.2 || www.gnucash.org/ || wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/"
08:41:45 <fell> warlord, I do not see Linas' mail in -devel.
08:45:36 <warlord> any reason not to use -core?
08:46:00 <warlord> what email from Linas?
08:48:36 <fell> He answered today on https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2020-November/045587.html
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08:56:17 <warlord> Did he CC -devel?
08:56:30 <warlord> Maybe he's not subscribed and it has to go through moderation?
08:56:58 <warlord> I did get about 6 emails from him last night.
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08:59:10 <fell> Funny, the founder needs moderation! ;-)
08:59:48 <warlord> he probably used his gmail, which I dont think is subscribed.
09:00:11 <warlord> He's only subscribed to -core
09:00:38 <fell> gmail, right
09:01:16 <fell> jralls, I found https://hosted.weblate.org/settings/gnucash/#workflow
09:02:56 <fell> I believe we want the last 2 checkboxes.
09:03:09 <warlord> fell, so what did his response say?
09:03:44 <fell> Apologies for the very long delay …
09:19:21 <warlord> yes... and ...?
09:29:57 <warlord> I see the private email to us with the diff from 2015. Is that change in the file in git?
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09:36:33 <fell> I think he tested it directly, gjanssens applied the PR after tidying and the conflict stood there until I tried to change the file again after 5 years.
09:46:21 <warlord> Well, good news is:/var/lib/gitolite3/bin/update-website
09:46:21 <warlord> Already up to date.
09:46:22 <warlord> Ncat: Connection reset by peer.
09:46:45 <warlord> So we should be able to push more changes!
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09:52:55 <chris> newbie question: if g_free () is needed everywhere, what's the reason for not using bdwgc? fine-grained control?
10:01:07 <warlord> chris, history? It didn't exist 20 years ago.
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12:28:59 <fell> Cool, the Intermediate language file in https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/workflows.html#turning-on-reviews
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13:01:35 <jralls_laptop> chris, bdwgc is indeed much newer than GLib, but if the GLib designers had wanted garbage collection they would have written it. The reason there's no garbage collection in GLib (or C/C++) is because they're intended at least in part for multi-threaded system programming and garbage collection isn't a suitable solution for low-level programming.
13:05:39 <jralls_laptop> chris, GC can be useful for application-level programming: Java and Python are both garbage-collected and very popular application languages, though Java isn't much liked in the Linux community and distributing Python apps across platforms can be a bit painful.
13:08:24 <jralls_laptop> fell, Ah, weblate just updates a single kitchen-sink PR. I guess that makes some amount of sense, there's no way routinely to interact with weblate translators via github.
13:09:53 <fell> Yeah, we have to rethink wide parts of the process.
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13:14:53 <fell> there is also a wider range for msgStrings: suggented, translated, reviewed.
13:15:58 <fell> And we shoul assign most checks to the components.
13:17:09 <jralls_laptop> Changing computers. BRB.
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13:19:10 <fell> After I enabled review, we got a new column in https://hosted.weblate.org/access/gnucash/
13:20:27 <jralls> Interesting. I see you added milotype. Should he have admin?
13:21:05 <fell> At least we know him since years.
13:21:26 <fell> And he has some expirience there.
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13:21:42 <jralls> That's certainly true.
13:22:01 <fell> If you do not trust kingu.
13:24:33 <jralls> https://hosted.weblate.org/user/kingu/. He's probably trustworthy.
13:26:42 <jralls> Have you looked at https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/addons.html?
13:27:56 <jralls> Ah, just noticed https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/optionals.html, but it looks like those are for self-hosted weblates.
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13:39:07 <giuseppef_> jralls, will be new it.po in weblate? I'd like to see platform checks on it (I have registered an account on weblate now)
13:40:25 <fell> giuseppef_, your weblate name?
13:40:31 <giuseppef_> giuseppef
13:41:27 <fell> you are now a reviewer
13:41:40 <giuseppef_> One more thing? Are we sure the glossary stuff has to be managed as a component? Asking for gloassaries in Gnucash it says no glossary inside
13:42:02 <jralls> And I just rebased so that your updated it.po should be included.
13:42:24 <giuseppef_> https://hosted.weblate.org/glossaries/gnucash/
13:42:52 <jralls> Yes, the glossary component for translation is part of the GnuCash documentation while the weblate glossary is to help translators.
13:42:55 <giuseppef_> Yes, it says translations are temporary closed now
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13:44:47 <giuseppef_> So I should import the glossary/it.po in Gnucash component as glossary to use it? How can be sure those will be in sync?
13:45:01 <fell> Also the gnucash glossary should help.
13:45:19 <jralls> giuseppef, I think that would be a manual process.
13:45:42 <fell> If you think it is fine, you can import it ito the wl glossary
13:50:15 <jralls> Sigh, the rebase committed all of the pending translations. OTOH, I got a help message showing the URL for the weblate repo so I can add it as a remote and examine its state.
13:54:27 <fell> Invalid ref advertisement line: 'shallow
13:54:43 <jralls> ?
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13:55:56 <fell> When I try to fetch the weblate remote from the alarm
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13:58:36 <fell> Shallow is followed by ommit hashes.
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14:00:45 <jralls> Did you originally clone with the --depth option?
14:00:59 <jralls> Or --single-branch?
14:02:26 <fell> no
14:05:02 <jralls> Oh, I bet weblate used --single-branch. What command did you use to retrieve it?
14:05:36 <fell> I tried to add it as remote. :-(
14:08:29 <jralls> Did you paste in the whole line including the second command `git remote update weblate`?
14:09:11 <jralls> Maybe that's what barfed. Does `git remote` show weblate as a remote?
14:10:39 <jralls> GTG, dentist appointment. I'll be back in 3-4 hours. If you do have a remote weblate then just do `git fetch weblate` and then you can create a new branch from weblate/remote.
14:11:03 <fell> That is now too late for me. CU in your evening.
14:11:18 <jralls> OK.
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14:12:50 <jralls> I've resolved the commit locally, but I think the only way to fix weblate is to merge in all of the current translations and then reset weblate's repo to ours. Is that OK with you?
14:14:32 <fell> Ok
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14:21:06 <jralls> That worked. I closed the PR in the hope that new commits will create a new one.
14:21:16 <jralls> Off now, back in a few.
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14:32:33 <giuseppef_> I am translating some strings of "Website". Not sure if it is usefull
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15:36:54 <AdrienM> This looks very interesting for WSL: https://github.com/Opticos/GWSL-Source
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16:54:17 <giuseppef_> In general ledger, clicking on "Manage Document Link" on a transacion generated by an invoice, it shows the error "Cannot modify or delete this transaction." Is this right?
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18:04:18 <giuseppef> Weblate is a powerful thing
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18:16:27 <jralls> giuseppef: For the document link, I think it is correct because the business module protects transactions that are tied to bills, invoices, vouchers, and credit memos.
18:17:13 <jralls> I think instead you use Business>Business Links for those transactions.
18:17:27 <giuseppef> Yes so it is
18:18:34 <giuseppef> I wonder just if it was the expected behaviour
18:24:45 <jralls> Yes, but perhaps a fuller explanation in the error dialog is warranted. fell?
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19:42:05 <chris> https://www.gtk.org/ hello no. 4
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21:35:05 <fell> jralls:
21:35:07 <fell> #: gnucash/gnome/gnc-split-reg.c:1158
21:35:08 <fell> #: gnucash/gnome-utils/gnc-tree-control-split-reg.c:66
21:35:10 <fell> msgid "Cannot modify or delete this transaction."
21:42:35 <fell> *message = _("This transaction is marked read-only with the comment: '%s'");
21:43:11 <fell> _("The date of this transaction is older than the \"Read-Only Threshold\" set for this book. "
21:43:13 <fell> "This setting can be changed in File->Properties->Accounts.")
21:49:22 <fell> There are several other reasons, which should be shown in the dialog.
21:53:37 <fell> and in tree control: *title = _("Cannot modify or delete this transaction.");
21:54:20 <fell> *message_reason = _("This transaction is marked read-only with the comment: '%s'");
21:55:23 <fell> _("The date of this transaction is older than the \"Read-Only Threshold\" set for this book. "…
21:56:00 <fell> _("You can not change this transaction, the Book or Register is set to Read Only.")…
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22:48:41 <nicholas> Hello! Would anyone be able to help me get Finance::Quote working on macOS ?
22:51:04 <nicholas> I have Finance::Quote installed, because I get the docs for it when I run 'perldoc Finance::Quote'
22:53:24 <nicholas> But gnc-fq-update fails during 'make test', and gnu-fq-check says I need to install Finance::Quote.
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22:57:42 <nicholas> I'm running perl 5.32.0, GnuCash 4.2 (downloaded from the website), and macOS 10.14.6 . Inside GnuCash it says "Warning: Finance::Quote not installed properly".
23:02:25 <nicholas> Here's the output I get from gnu-fq-update: https://pastebin.com/yGcFUXKd
23:03:09 <nicholas> I'd greatly appreciate any help I can get. Thank you!
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23:33:52 <jralls_laptop> nicholas, IIRC the system perl on Mojave is 5.18 so I guess that you've installed a newer perl with homebrew, MacPorts, or some other installer. Launching GnuCash with LaunchServices doesn't read your shell environment so @INC is the system default and GnuCash can't see your F::Q installation.
23:35:44 <jralls_laptop> fell, giuseppef specifically said that the transaction was posted by an invoice so I guess that that's a different constraint from "red line" one.
23:49:45 <fell> There is no "invoice" or "bill" in that files.