2020-11-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:07:34 <marneu56> fell: 36Gb Mem Usage und eine Nacht später. Es gibt Differenzen bei den USt Buchungen, die Nachkommastellen sind jetzt auf dem Ausgleichskonto. So ist das leider nicht brauchbar bzw. viel Nacharbeit.
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03:20:21 <tgy> hi! i'm trying to change the "default config" for what's included in my invoices. in particular, i would like to set the displayed columns to specific values without having to set it again each time i'm generating an invoice. is there a way to change this default config? i know we can save a config and load it but this is cumberstome. my usage is very simple and i would like to have
03:20:23 <tgy> the default to be my most frequent use case
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04:30:57 <fell> marneu56: Wenn was auf dem Ausgleichskonto lande. bedeutet das, daß du beim Import die Konten nicht richtig zugewiesen hast.
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05:24:57 <marneu56> fell: Doch das war schon richtig aber ich habe festgestellt, dass in der Export.csv bereits die Nachkommastellen "verschwunden" sind.
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05:48:51 <fell> marneu56, ich habe keine Idee, wie du das hinbekommen hast, daß keine Nachkommastellen exportiert wurden. Vielleicht statt Semikolon KOmma als Saparator gewählt?
05:49:37 <fell> Semikolon statt KoOmma als Feld-Separator gewählt
05:50:45 <marneu56> Dem muss ich nochmal nachgehen, wenn mehr Zeit ist - jetzt hat erst mal die Ust-Abgabe Vorrang. Eigentlich habe ich mit \t exportiert und dann per sed auf reales TAB umgesetzt.
05:50:45 <marneu56> Der Erfassungfehler passiert, dann aber auch in der neuen Datei. Da muss es noch irgendeine Inkompatibilität in ubuntu 20.4 geben.
05:51:23 <fell> Welche GnuCash-Version?
05:51:36 <marneu56> 4.2 stable flatpak
05:52:24 <fell> Gut, beim Flatpak können wir alte fehler schon mal ausschließen.
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05:55:47 <marneu56> fell: ich würde gerne zu einem späteren Zeitpunkt darauf zurückkommen, ich muss heute USt und andere Aufgaben machen. Ich mache den ganzen Zyklus nochmal (vielleicht am WE) und dokumentieren dann auch direkt mit. In der Zwischenzeit setze ich mal eine Debian KVM auf (plain für Buchhaltung).
05:58:15 <fell> OK, kein Problem.
05:59:49 <fell> Ich das mit dem Separator überprüft: Beim Komma werden Zahlen gequotet:
05:59:52 <fell> 10.11.2020,7b80a80589f84b31806f9e6daa6ea611,,Eröffnungsbuchung,,CURRENCY::EUR,,,,Eigenkapital:Anfangsbestand,Anfangsbestand,"1,23 €","1,23",n,,"1,0000"
05:59:53 <fell> ,,,,,,,Haben,,Umlaufvermögen:Bank,Bank,"-1,23 €","-1,23",n,,"1,0000"
06:01:34 <fell> Bei Debian würde ich ürigens Backports einbinden für neuere Version.
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06:48:50 <chris> CDB-PHONE https://imgur.com/a/HgWaDfh :D
06:49:09 <chris> Gtk is *painful*
08:06:46 <marneu56> fell: Zwischenbericht; Deb 10.6 als VM installiert flatpak 4.2, dann läufts.
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08:19:50 <marneu56> Wo kann ich in 4.2 flat (user installed) meine gespeicherten Berichte wieder einbinden/hinkopieren?
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09:14:39 <chris> CDB-PHONE do you use win32 or linux
09:23:52 <marneu56> fell: Hab backports in die sources - macht derzeit keinen unterschied bei 10.6 soweit ich gesehen habe. Gespeicherte Berichte sind dann wohl hier ~/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data/gnucash/saved-reports-2.8
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09:32:11 <fell> marneu56: umgekehrt, ~/.var/app ist von Flatpak. Siehe https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations
09:37:15 <CDB-PHONE> win 10 x64
09:40:37 <marneu56> fell: Danke, dort steht zwar USER_DATA_HOME -> Linux -> flatpak -> $HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data aber tatsächlich liegt "saved-reports" an o.g. Pos.
09:40:37 <marneu56> Das passt nicht ganz zur Doku...
09:40:37 <marneu56> Btw. Da die DB ja auf dem Host (noch für andere Aufgaben) läuft fragt er jetzt immer nach dem DB Kennwort - das wäre hier in der VM aber nicht nötig, da die ja auch quasi lokal ist. Kann man das irgendwo in ein Config File stellen?
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09:44:18 <marneu56> fell: re saved-reports: Wenn hier ein Entwickler mit liest, es wäre chick wenn die gespeicherten in die DB als BLOB mitgenommen werden könnten, da darin doch viel Arbeit steckt und das qausi zum DB Satz passen würde, etwa so wenn lokal nicht vorhanden biete DB Berichte an. Ist aber natürlich hätte hätte Fahradkette ;)
09:50:26 <CDB-PHONE> Ugh can we just remove wm from the cc and deal with any fallout
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09:57:03 <CDB-PHONE> wm is even trying to put words in everyone's mouths, me, Chris, and jralls
09:58:30 <marneu56> fell: Auf den ersten Blick scheint zu funktionieren, wenn man die alte saved-reports 2.4 auf die 2.8 kopiert.
10:11:16 <chris> CDB-PHONE: DNFTT :)
10:11:29 <chris> Don't spend more CPU cycles on this
10:12:10 <chris> I'll be able to create a stock transaction dialog soon
10:13:35 <chris> https://imgur.com/a/nkAqNM7
10:30:05 <fell> marneu56: wenn du möchtest, daß mehr Entwickler mitlesen, mußt du auf Englisch schreiben. Kann ruhig mit https://translate.google.com übersetzt seein.;-)
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10:33:09 <fell> gjanssens, marneu56 foud his saved reports in ~/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data/gnucash/saved-reports-2.8. According https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations they are expected below $HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data.
10:37:29 <marneu56> Is it possible in Linux to store the DB pw, if the DB is on the same host but within VM?
10:37:58 <fell> marneu56: https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4&lang=de&doc=guide
10:38:28 <fell> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/de/gnucash-guide/basics-files1.html#idm45514528585440
10:38:39 <CDB-PHONE> chris: " if the SELL
10:38:39 <CDB-PHONE> transaction is commission-free I would still insert a zero-amount Expense:Fee
10:38:40 <CDB-PHONE> split. Ditto other Stock activity"
10:38:53 <CDB-PHONE> I would say yes, insert the blank split
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10:52:06 <gjanssens> fell: did you update the wiki page since your ping earlier today ? The current settings seem consistent with marneu56's experience.
10:52:08 <marneu56> fell: wenn ich W hätte würde der gezeigte Dialog wohl passen,bei lx sieht das übersichtlich aus.
10:52:08 <marneu56> Aber der Link auf die Doku war hilfreich um die dconf zu holen.
10:53:26 <gjanssens> USER_DATA_HOME refers to $HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data and GNC_USER_DATA_HOME refers to ~/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data/gnucash
10:53:43 <gjanssens> s/GNC_USER_DATA_HOME/GNC_DATA_HOME/
10:54:02 <gjanssens> And the same for USER_CONFIG_HOME and GNC_CONFIG_HOME
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11:20:30 <fell> marneu56: gjanssens hat recht: saved-reports-x.y sollen in GNC_DATA_HOME sein, welches für Flatpak $HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data/gnucash ist. Nicht verwechseln mit dem übergeordneten USER_DATA_HOME ($HOME/.var/app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/data).
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11:28:32 <fell> USER_DATA_HOME kann mehrere relevante Unterverzeichnisse haben GNC_, GTK_, (webkitgtk, …), …
11:32:49 <fell> Die Dialoge im deutschen Guide basieren größtenteils noch auf GTK2. Ich glaube, es gibt relevantere Dinge, die zu aktualisieren wären.
11:36:31 <fell> Thanks, gjanssens! What is your trick for the the mariadb mirror? Just trying each of the list until success?
11:37:20 <gjanssens> fell: I actually don't remember any more how I did that :(
11:37:31 <gjanssens> So much is happening around here these days...
11:40:25 <gjanssens> I *think* I passed the website's download url to wget and see what that resolved it to.
11:40:45 <fell> Good idea!
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11:47:19 <gjanssens> well, it's clearly not ideal, because that mirror is currently not working :(
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14:25:36 <jralls> gjanssens, warlord, chris, I'm making slow progress in getting an initial github action working: https://github.com/jralls/gnucash/tree/github-action
14:26:09 <jralls> I had no success with setting up a docker action, github wouldn't load the image.
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15:34:13 <gjanssens> jralls: good! I'll check your progress in the morning
15:34:55 <jralls> gjanssens, I just got a successful run with ubuntu-20.04. ubuntu-18.04 has something wrong with boost regex.
15:36:43 <gjanssens> Cool
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17:51:28 <chris> cdb-phone jralls my progress https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/blob/maint-stock-editor/gnucash/gnome/dialog-stock-editor.c#L269 note the truth tables encoded as a string :P
17:53:32 <jralls> chris, I wonder if the ping mechanism in CDB-PHONE's irc client is case sensitive...
17:53:52 <CDB-PHONE> it's not :)
17:54:08 <CDB-PHONE> neither is the web client on CDB-Work
17:54:13 <chris> :-/
17:54:31 <CDB-PHONE> so all lower case is fine
17:55:06 <chris> thanks to modern tech
17:55:46 <jralls> chris, are you sure you want to use a GtkListStore for that? They're unbearably slow.
17:56:22 <chris> it;s being initialized prior to adding to gtkdropdown which is apparently ok
17:56:31 <jralls> And why encode the truth table as a string instead of an uint8_t?
17:56:56 <chris> let me finish the prototype first then i'll accept criticism :)
17:57:40 <jralls> If it's going into a list box it's unavoidable.
17:57:55 <CDB-PHONE> doing anything other than conversation from a phone a nigh impractical, so I'll refrain from reviewing or commenting unless there's a specific question
17:58:20 <chris> imho eg the associated accounts cash/capg/fees *must* have same currency as stock's parent. agree cdb-phone ?
17:58:33 <chris> imho eg the associated accounts cash/divi/capg/fees *must* have same currency as stock's parent. agree cdb-phone ?
17:58:49 <CDB-PHONE> well it would be ideal, but I don't think we should force it
17:59:03 <CDB-PHONE> well perhaps we should
17:59:43 <CDB-PHONE> or better yet, force everything into home currency, after some future Gnucash version with proper currency support that's farther down the road
17:59:46 <chris> anyone who thinks they know better can use the manual input
18:00:16 <chris> remember home currency is a very fluid concept in gnc
18:00:38 <CDB-PHONE> yes, sadly
18:01:04 <CDB-PHONE> it's fundamental to GAAP
18:01:53 <chris> ok gtg walk
18:01:54 <CDB-PHONE> clearly define the entity's functional currency, vs foreign currency transactions, and vs reporting currency for the statements if different
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21:07:07 <frazelle09> Can some review a system we've set up for a small. local fund?
21:07:53 <frazelle09> We can post a link to a screen shot of the Accounts page.
21:09:37 <CDB-Work> well rather than ask if you can do it, just post it and see if someone wants to opine (perhaps me, actually)
21:42:13 <frazelle09> O.k.
21:42:27 <frazelle09> https://ibb.co/dgJTccm
21:42:55 <frazelle09> There it is. Some of the items are in Spanish, so if you need "translation", let me know...
21:53:46 <CDB-Work> yeah, I'm not going to be much help en espanol
21:54:28 <CDB-Work> but in general, you want categories that are not going to be too narrow at the top level, which seems to be what you have here
21:54:49 <CDB-Work> have you considered looking up the financial statements of similar not-for-profit entities to get a sense of what other people use?
21:55:09 <frazelle09> O.k. Let me do a translation in LibreOffice in English and republish
21:55:42 <frazelle09> Thank yoiu CDB-Work for replying.
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22:04:12 <frazelle09> Let's see if this helps.
22:04:15 <frazelle09> Assets – in pesos Current Assets in pesos Cash on hand – in dollars Cash on hand in pesos Fund for the purchase of a center – in pesos Savings Account in dollars Savings Account in pesos Equipment and furniture Equity Opening balance Equipment and furniture Pesos U.S. dollars Expenses Adjustments in dollars Adjustments in peso
22:04:23 <frazelle09> Nope.
22:04:35 <frazelle09> Gotta make a screenschot and upload.
22:05:50 <frazelle09> https://ibb.co/wdmFT0c
22:06:04 <frazelle09> Hopefully that'll help a little.
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23:59:20 <fell> frazelle09, at first you have to follow the rules of your government (accounting rules, tax law, …).