2020-10-02 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:22:26 <Oliver> Hi there. I have just switched my small operation into GNUCASH and I love it.
01:24:36 <Oliver> Nevertheless, I have one question: I have one cusomer with two business units. So every month I write to invoices to each "company". He pays both invoices with one payment to my bank account. I have issues to connect these invoices to to one payment. I tryed multiple bookings and can assign one invoice to it, but the other one fails.
01:25:37 <Oliver> Since I am using online banking, I can not really split the entry in my bank account because during the next sync it will download the entry again and hence I have two entries.
01:25:40 <Oliver> Any ideas?
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04:05:44 <andreas^> hello.
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04:43:59 <gjanssens> .
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07:46:12 <andreas^> gjanssens: I see some people write just a dot for a greeting.
07:46:25 <andreas^> you're not the only one but I don't understand it.
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08:22:27 <gjanssens> andreas^: :) That's not really a greeting
08:22:53 <gjanssens> We often don't greet as many channel members are not online anyway
08:23:21 <gjanssens> However we often type a '.' as a minimal message to check for notes left on our nick
08:23:51 <andreas^> I understand gjanssens.
08:23:51 <gjanssens> Any message would trigger gncbot to check for notes and print them out
08:24:06 <gjanssens> However as we often don't have anything to say, we just type a dot
08:24:22 <andreas^> gjanssens: I'm reading the "tutorial and concepts guide" now.
08:24:28 <andreas^> section 2.3.5.
08:24:57 <andreas^> so I learn the program better before programming.
08:25:12 <gjanssens> good idea :)
08:25:23 <andreas^> where are you from?
08:25:32 <gjanssens> I'm from Belgium
08:25:45 <andreas^> your nick sounds very nordic.
08:25:52 <andreas^> I'm in Sweden.
08:26:57 <gjanssens> Yeah "Janssens", "Janson", "Johnson", they all have a similar origin
08:27:21 <gjanssens> Though I have no idea where my name originally came from
08:27:29 <gjanssens> (geographically I mean)
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10:27:39 <fell> gjanssens, congrats to the new federal governemt - after only 500 days negotiation.
10:28:12 <gjanssens> fell: thanks :) I was already preparing to go cast my vote again...
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10:29:31 <gjanssens> fell: have you seen my flatpak change this morning ? It may help with several permissions related issues (localhost db connection, chipcard issues,...)
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10:30:08 <gjanssens> I can't test any of those myself unfortunately
10:30:17 <fell> No, will look now.
10:30:21 <gjanssens> I did test reading/writing to usb, that seems to work
10:32:06 <fell> About your name: I assume short from greek Johannes – the baptist, the evangelist, … – but I do not the semitic form.
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10:33:42 <gjanssens> That would be for my surname. The family name is an evolution of "Jan's son's". So the son of the son of Jan
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10:34:00 <gjanssens> Jan indeed is from Johannes
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10:35:29 <fell> the northern variant, the southern variant in German is Hans.
10:35:53 <gjanssens> Heh, never thought about that :)
10:36:01 <gjanssens> But makes sense
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11:09:05 <fell> gjanssens: one could argue, exposing the whole host contradicts te sanbox concept.
11:10:24 <gjanssens> I am aware of that, although parts of the system remain sandboxed.
11:10:56 <gjanssens> The difficulty is gnucash and its dependencies potentially need access to many more locations that I'm aware of.
11:12:06 <gjanssens> And for the average user jumping through the hoops of tweaking sandbox permissions is overly cumbersome.
11:12:38 <gjanssens> So I mentally reversed the sandbox concept in that it's optional for those users that really care. They can go through the effort of setting restrictions.
11:12:58 <gjanssens> For most other users, the flatpak can do what a locally installed application can do.
11:13:18 <fell> The strict way: add them after bug reports appear. And make https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Flatpak#Granting_Access_to_Other_Resources more prominent
11:13:46 <fell> Perhaps add it also to the README.
11:13:55 <gjanssens> That doesn't work, at least not for me.
11:14:35 <gjanssens> I don't have time and energy to figure out all the locations our dependencies look for files
11:15:00 <gjanssens> Do you know on each system that supports flatpak where the unix socket for mysql is for example ?
11:15:10 <gjanssens> Or where usb drives get mounted ?
11:15:27 <gjanssens> Where libchipcard searches for the pscd socket ?
11:15:35 <gjanssens> I don't
11:15:57 <gjanssens> And that's just 3 we have uncovered so far.
11:16:56 <fell> Or how to start the pscd demon...
11:17:21 <gjanssens> I don't know if we have to even if the host socket is available.
11:17:45 <gjanssens> But again, that's far out of my league.
11:19:35 <fell> I assume if the socket exists, it is running. But if not
11:21:05 <fell> Ah, sorry, you wrote it https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797757#c5
11:26:01 <fell> @tell Oliver Between downloading the bank statement and process payment you should the A/R part in 2 splits – one for each company.
11:26:01 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
11:27:39 <fell> @tell Oliver … manually devide the A/R part in 2 splits – one for each company.
11:27:39 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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14:09:50 <fell> gjanssens, how about: sudo flatpak override org.gnucash.GnuCash --filesystem=host; strace gnucash to find the required resources?
14:16:43 <gjanssens> fell: be my guest
14:17:09 <gjanssens> Again, this will only find the locations used on my system and from my usage of gnucash
14:17:47 <gjanssens> As I don't use for example aqbanking or a local mysql database, I wouldn't find potential files triggered that way
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14:26:20 <fell> gjanssens, and then we ask the bug reporters to do it for us.
14:31:06 <gjanssens> fell: there are a few bugs open related to flatpak permissions. No one stepped up to hunt the exact details. Why do you think it will happen later ?
14:31:34 <gjanssens> I personally won't invest more time in it. If it bothers you enough, you are free to undo my commit.
14:32:01 <gjanssens> And find others willing to do more fine grained sandbox tuning.
14:32:20 <fell> I am also interested in the opinion of jralls.
14:34:34 <gjanssens> Of course. Me too.
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14:55:55 <jralls> fell, gjanssens I have no opinion on how to work out flatpak permission problems, nor any new ideas about it.
15:06:23 <jralls> gjanssens, most Dutch/Flemish families used patronymics until Napoleon came along and made them use surnames, at which point most just took the last patronymic for their surname. You've probably got a male-line ancestor in the 1790s whose father was name Jan.
15:06:50 <jralls> s/name Jan/named Jan/
15:07:07 <fell> grandfather
15:07:42 <fell> Jan-sen-s
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15:13:15 <gjanssens> jralls: I suppose you know such things through your interest in genealogy ?
15:13:31 <jralls> Dutch are squishy about that. The patronymic for Jan's son can be Jans, Jansen, or Jansens. I suppose it's also possible that the father's given name was Jansen (with or without the double s, people cared a lot less about spelling then); *his* father might or might not have been a Jan so he might have been called Jansen Geerts or Jansen Geertsen (and his sister might be Chrijente Geertsdottir).
15:15:09 <jralls> gjanssens, yes, especially since I have Dutch ancestors on my mother's side, including a family (Vrooman, from Valkenburg near Leiden) who used that surname at least as far back as the 16th century.
15:17:48 <gjanssens> Wow, how cool is that :)
15:17:55 <jralls> Interestingly they also used patronymics but as a middle name, so e.g. Barlomeus Hendrickse Vrooman->Hendrick Meese Vrooman->Adam Hendrickse Vrooman.
15:18:14 <jralls> s/Barlomeus/Bartolomeus/
15:21:07 <fell> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkenburg_(Zuid-Holland)
15:25:27 <gjanssens> Valkenburg is a nice little town close to the Belgian border. I quite like it. Did you ever visit it ?
15:27:07 <fell> gjanssens: that is https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkenburg_aan_de_Geul
15:27:19 <jralls> No, didn't make time for that the summer we visited Belgium. We did manage a few days in Amsterdam and a delightful one in Grimsbergen.
15:27:52 <fell> They have a nice christmas market in a cave.
15:29:42 <gjanssens> Oh right. I didn't realize there were two...
15:30:12 <gjanssens> Yes, Valkenburg aan de geul has interesting caves.
15:32:10 <jralls> It's this one: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Valkenburg,+Netherlands/@52.1700792,4.4088312,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47c0eaa3395b965b:0xb76bb07231452903!2sValkenburg+aan+de+Geul,+Netherlands!3b1!8m2!3d50.8684771!4d5.826448!3m4!1s0x47c5c767b48085ef:0xb841b007ed97871f!8m2!3d52.1794056!4d4.4328117. Now mostly an Air Force Base.
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15:34:59 <gjanssens> Yep, that's the one fell linked to first.
15:38:07 <jralls> Right. There's a little picture-map on that page showing the village in 1627. Hendrickse emigrated to Rensselaerswijke (now Albany) in what's now New York in 1546.
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15:38:52 <gjanssens> Which then was your first ancestor of that branch in America ?
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15:40:56 <jralls> Hendrick Meese. Sorry, I smooshed that into Hendrickse somehow in the previous.
15:45:56 <jralls> And it's 1649, not 1549. New Netherlands wasn't even settled until 1609.
15:46:40 <jralls> At least by the Dutch. The Manhattans had been there for thousands of years...
15:51:00 <gjanssens> Clearly a topic you can talk hours about :)
15:51:14 <gjanssens> Another topic: did you see the swig fix in gnucash-on-windows ?
15:51:23 <gjanssens> Amazing we didn't discover this much earlier
15:51:55 <gjanssens> It was actually thanks to a reply on my proposed patch to FindSWIG in msys2 I got on this track
15:52:19 <gjanssens> In hindsight of course it makes total sense...
15:54:55 <jralls> Interesting. ISTR that when I first did the MSYS2 build there wasn't a MinGW CMake, only a MSYS2 one.
15:55:27 <gjanssens> That is certainly also possible.
15:55:49 <gjanssens> Anyway, on that note, I'm off to bed.
15:55:53 <gjanssens> See you later!
15:55:59 <jralls> Gnight!
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16:12:45 <fell> jralls, your Valkenburg has already been a roman castle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praetorium_Agrippinae
16:15:16 <jralls> Yeah, I saw that. A good way to sell a visit to the family, who are less interested in family history than I am.
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16:19:36 <fell> But there are no more direct flights. The naval airfield was closed after the Dutch sold their Orions.
16:21:21 <jralls> Hah! They flew P-3s out of Valkenburg? That's hilarious, it's what they used fly out of the local naval airstation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moffett_Federal_Airfield) before they turned it over to NASA.
16:22:56 <jralls> Anyway, I didn't stay in the Navy long enough to retire so I can't fly on military flights. I'd have to go to Brussels or Amsterdam and take the train to Leiden.
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16:25:16 <jralls> Not happening anytime soon, though. It'll probably be 2022 before we're allowed to travel overseas.
16:39:10 <fell> I fear this years travel season is over here. The government is extending its travel warnings almost each day.
16:42:08 <jralls> And our government, well, sigh. But even if everyone suddenly started doing everything right and some useful vaccines become available in the next few months it will be a while before enough people have gotten it that tourism can resume.
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19:40:40 <pkricton> I've been trying to make get anything out of the Finance::Quote system and all I seem to be able to get is lots of strange or incomplete outputs. Does the system F::Q system work?
19:41:54 <pkricton> Can anyone point me in a good direction.
19:43:16 <pkricton> All the modules are properly installed as far as I can determine
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20:32:10 <pkricton> Let me start with a simple question, does the Finance::Quote system work?
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21:02:25 <fell> pkricton, did you read https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Online_Quotes?
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22:49:25 <pkricton> fell, yes I did and tried many of the examples but all the examples failed with different problems. Some of the examples are out of date including "yahoo_json" which no longer exists. It is my understanding that yahoo no longer supports their API as long ago as 2 years ago
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22:54:48 <pkricton> fell, the other problem is that gnc-fq-dump fails to pass the date or currency as illustrated in the examples
22:56:53 <fell> pkricton, I just verifyed gnc-fq-dump -v yahoo_json SIE.F SIE.DE
22:58:33 <fell> Is the internet accessible?
22:58:49 <pkricton> fell, this is one of the error responses:
22:58:52 <pkricton> SIE.F errormsg: Error retrieving quote for SIE.F. Attempt to fetch the URL http://finance.yahoo.com/webservice/v1/symbols/SIE.F/quote?format=json resulted in HTTP response 404 (Not Found)
22:59:58 <fell> Any error messages in gnc-fq-check ß
23:01:09 <fell> Is your antivirus software blocking http://finance.yahoo.com ?
23:01:29 <pkricton> gnc-fq-check works fine and provides the full list of available services.
23:01:46 <fell> Your OS/distribution?
23:02:20 <pkricton> Linux LMDE (Mint Debian Edition)
23:03:18 <fell> F::Q version is 1.49?
23:04:03 <pkricton> ("1.38" "adig" ... "za_unittrusts")
23:04:13 <pkricton> is 1.38 the version?
23:04:35 <fell> That worked ~ a decade ago. ;-)
23:05:18 <pkricton> Then Debian isn't keeping their repository up to date
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23:05:47 <fell> try sudo gnc-fq-update
23:06:10 <fell> or switch to debian buster
23:06:32 <fell> or enable backports
23:07:48 <pkricton> They didn't distribute the gnc-fq-update utility, it's not present
23:09:30 <pkricton> I'll look into the backports, but I will admit I'm still running LMDE3
23:12:21 <pkricton> Been putting off the rebuild but I guess push uas come to shove
23:12:22 <fell> the wiki page has also instruction to use sudo cpan...
23:19:26 <pkricton> I'm a novice with cpan
23:20:01 <fell> just follow the wiki instructions
23:21:10 <pkricton> Runnig cpan the first time it wants to configure itself as 'local::lib', 'sudo' or 'manual'
23:21:23 <pkricton> Suggestion?
23:21:48 <fell> the defaults are safe
23:22:01 <pkricton> OK
23:22:03 <fell> just enter enter
23:22:54 <pkricton> sudo cpan or as user?
23:23:02 <fell> sudo
23:24:21 <pkricton> ok, in the cpan shell
23:25:01 <fell> upgrade Finance::Quote
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23:28:46 <pkricton> Very busy, I wouldn't see any erros if there were any lol
23:33:41 <fell> Yes, it runs a full make &make check on FQ and dependencies.
23:35:03 <pkricton> seems happt
23:35:07 <pkricton> happy
23:36:01 <pkricton> gnc-fq-check -> ("1.49" "adig"...
23:38:06 <pkricton> Your example worked
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23:42:05 <fell> Fine
23:44:16 <fell> BTW yahoo removed their CSV module. JSON is still working.
23:44:25 <pkricton> And GC retrieves the quotes.
23:44:56 <pkricton> Oh I see, that's what was goin on.
23:46:04 <pkricton> Well it all seems to be working nicely. Thanks very much for the help!
23:46:35 <fell> Welcome!
23:48:27 <pkricton> Now I just have to learn how to utilize it correctly :)
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