2020-09-01 GnuCash IRC logs

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03:55:53 <Robert847> Hi, I'm testing the process of upgrading GnuCash from 2.6.19. I am now trying GnuCash 3.8 in Linux Lite 20.04 as an intermediate step toward 4.1. I took a copy of a recent data file from my 2.6 archive as a starting data file. It opened in 3.8 nd some activities seemed to work, but now, when I try a OFX import, Gnuash starts to open the import window, then stops. If I try to close the import window, the OS reports that it is busy and
03:55:53 <Robert847> asks me if I want to stop the application. Doing that crashes GnuCash instead of closing the import window. I did not find a bug report for 3.8 in the "News" release notice that appears to cover this. Is it known that 3.8 cannot import OFX?
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04:06:51 <Robert847> PS. I am also testing the 'new' desktop in Linux Lite 20.04 and I am finding some of the terms they use strange compared to Ubuntu Unity, so That may also be confusing me.
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06:34:07 <chris> Robert847: OFX import should work. check the later releases' NEWS for any relevant bug fix.
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06:57:06 <chris> Robert847: there's been some major ofx speedup in recent releases.
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08:57:00 <warlord> Robert847, 3.11 is the last of the 3.x series; I do not know if there is an OFX-specific issue fixed, but there could've been something. I know there was work in the importer during 3.x
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12:13:37 <finster> hello. noob question wrt to stock handling in gnuchash. a few month ago i bought stock x for price 10. now i want to buy the same stock again, now with the price of 11 per item. would the second stock order go into a separate gnucash account? or can I just reuse the already existing account for stock x ?
12:15:24 <Robert847> Thanks for the comments so far, it looks like it may be a memory issue, as I am intentionally testing a Virtualbox instance with 2 gig ram, as I want to run GnuCash in a machine with that limitation. After waiting several minutes with the seeming hang after selecting the file to import, the entire machine becomes unresponsive. I think the machine should continue running with a lot of swap activity, but maybe it will still appear to ha
12:15:25 <Robert847> ng, even affecting the curser response.
12:19:34 <jralls> finster, assuming that the new buy is to be held in the same brokerage account you should use the same account.
12:20:31 <Robert847> finster, Use the same stock account as long as it is through the same broker account and priced in the same currency.
12:21:45 <Robert847> John, you beat me!
12:24:06 <finster> Yes, it's the same broker. thanks to both of you
12:24:44 <jralls> Robert847: ;-). As chris noted there are some significant OFX file import speedups, but those are recent. Jean Laroche did some work on OFX for 3.9 but that was mostly about being able to import more than one file at a time.
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12:29:23 <hannes> Hi, I'm trying to import a csv-file, but after the import is started gnucash seems to hang. I triey it now already the second time. Is there a way to check if the import process is still running or if it is just hanging?
12:31:58 <Robert847> It looks like there is another speedup destined for the next 4.x release too. I think OFX was working, but slow in 3.8, so it could be the self imposed ram limitation.
12:39:11 <hannes> I'm using version 4.1
12:39:59 <jralls> Robert847 How big a file is it and does it have any stock transactions?
12:41:08 <jralls> hannes, You can use the process monitoring tools of your OS--Task Manager on Windows, Activity Monitor on macOS, or `top` on Linux/BSD.
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12:51:31 <hannes> the file has just 151 transactions, now I imported just one line, this was done within seconds
12:52:14 <hannes> after that I tried again to import the whole file and it was also done within seconds
12:54:06 <jralls> Huh. I take it you killed GnuCash without saving the first two times?
12:54:40 <hannes> yes
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12:55:03 <hannes> I forgot to mention after importing the one line I saved and restarted gnucash
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12:55:24 <hannes> after that the import was quick for the 151 lines
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12:56:28 <hannes> but now I see a different issue: about 50% of those 151 lines are auto assigned, but all to the same account
12:58:52 <jralls> Well, that would be about training the importer matcher. If the first line has a word in its description that appears in half of the other lines then GnuCash would decide that they match. Reassign all of them correctly in the matcher and it shouldn't happen next time.
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13:00:19 <hannes> I assigned already quite much entries manually after the last import, this should count as well, or is this just valid if it is done during the import?
13:00:57 <jralls> If it's *after* the import it's too late. You have to do the matching in the match window as part of the import to train the matcher.
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13:23:43 <hannes> I see
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13:35:56 <hannes> how can I remove the auto assignment for an entry, for example if I don't know at the time of the import to what it should be assigned exactly?
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13:44:57 <jralls> Just double-click on it and select the imbalance account. But it would be better to figure out where it should go.
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13:52:32 <Robert847> My data file is huge but the two different OFX files are small. One is about 30 transactions from a bank and the other is probably 3 or 4 from a credit card.
13:53:05 <Robert847> it hang for either one of those
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13:57:00 <jralls> Robert847 It may not be hanging per-se. You're upgrading from 2.6 and there are some data changes, most substantially accounts in the matching table go from full names to guids. Users with large databases have reported that taking several hours.
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13:59:42 <Robert847> when, exactly does that process occur, and how can I tell if that is what is happening? Could I temporarily assign more ram for one import then go back to 2 gig?
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14:03:24 <Robert847> I should just try and see if it helps
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14:04:47 <jralls> IIRC it happens on the first import that uses the matcher (meaning not QIF) and yes, you could try letting the VM see more RAM.
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14:05:40 <jralls> But I think you'll still have to just let it percolate for a while.
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14:09:32 <Robert847> Since I'm planning on moving on to 4.x in more than one machine ultimately, this would not be a deal breaker
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14:10:34 <jralls> Why? Once it's done you can go back to a smaller footprint.
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14:47:31 <Robert847> OK, it is cooking with 6 gig ram using between 80 and 100 percent cpu but right now about 11 percent ram
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14:53:32 <Robert847> the window that it was stuck on is titled generic import transaction matcher, but this time it opened with three transactions. GnuCash is still cooking in the background, tho
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14:56:26 <Robert847> Wow! Now htop is the biggest user at 2 %
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18:17:08 <skribinto> I'm new to accounting and gnucash. I've problems with a split transaction i'm doing in my paypal account: I want to make a first partial transaction to expenses (decrease/debit) and a second partial transaction from my bank account (increase/credit) with the same amount. The transaction - then - is "hijacked" by my bank account and cannot be seen in the paypal account anymore. Further, this transaction in the bank account increases the
18:17:09 <skribinto> amount of the bank account (although it is an expense). Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong? Perhaps there is an tutorial out there for those kinds of "middleman" transactions? THX
18:17:53 <skribinto> I' using GnuCash 2.6.19
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18:21:49 <jralls> skribinto: Sounds like you don't quite get double-entry accounting. Read the Tutorial and Concepts Guide https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=4&lang=C&doc=guide.
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21:31:41 <jonathanallen> Can GNU Cash fully replace Quickbooks? I am hoping it can do the necessary basics. I am hoping to use as much open-source software as I can to save on costs now, so I can donate later.
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