2020-08-25 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:10:46 <fell> jralls in the details view of attachments, you should at the bottom have a delete link.
04:12:11 <fell> I used it only once for privacy reasons.
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09:12:56 <Guest91> Hi
09:14:14 <Guest91> I have two invoices, but I received a single payment from my client for both, and my bank statement reflects that. How do I merge them together?
09:16:10 <Guest91> Sorry
09:16:25 <Guest91> I meant, how can I associate the single transaction with the two invoices?
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09:20:43 <warlord> Guest91, Process Payment for the total amount and choose both invoices for the payment; the system will split it between those two invoices but leave one transaction in your bank account.
09:21:36 <Guest91> Oh! I can choose two invoices for payment?
09:22:59 <warlord> Yes, in the Process Payment dialog you can choose multiple invoices.
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09:26:11 <psusi> the manual says that there is an account type for income and one for expenses, but when I go to create an account, those are not listed in the choice for account type. How do I make them?
09:29:58 <Guest91> warlord: thank you, I was able to select both invoices
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09:30:48 <warlord> psusi, you can only create the account types based on the parent account type. Income and Expense cannot go under e.g. Asset or Liability. I recommend you use the New File Hierarchy assistant and choose a default account tree to begin, instead of starting from an empty tree.
09:30:49 <Guest91> By the way, I tried a new option called "Assign as Payment", but there was a bug
09:31:00 <warlord> Guest91, you are welcome.
09:31:03 <warlord> What was the bug
09:31:03 <warlord> ?
09:31:45 <Guest91> It did not take the currency into account, the invoice was for USD but the account currency was different, but it treated the amount as USD in the process payment page
09:32:20 <Guest91> So I created a new payment and replaced the details from original bank transaction and deleted it
09:32:26 <warlord> That does not surprise me. This is why you should Process Payment, and not Assign.
09:32:45 <Guest91> Yes, but assign should be easier if not for this bug
09:33:26 <psusi> warlord: they can't be sub accounts? hrm.. I did also try creating it as a top level account and still don't get those choices...
09:33:44 <warlord> psusi, Of course they can be sub-accounts, but only of a top-level Income/Expense account.
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09:34:02 <warlord> So you can have Expenses:Groceries or Income:Salary:MyJob
09:34:25 <psusi> I was thinking I should model my brokerage account as a top level with sub-accounts for: 1) transfers in, 2) expenses/fees, 3) each stock symbol, 4) cash balance
09:34:36 <warlord> Guest91, there are lots of corner cases with multiple currencies, especially in the biz features because they were originally single-currency-only.
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09:35:20 <warlord> psusi, you can't do that. Sorry. You can model it as the asset holding (with cash and different funds), but the income/expense parts need to be in a different section of the account tree.
09:35:49 <Guest91> warlord
09:35:58 <Guest91> warlord: understandable...
09:36:28 <Guest91> I assume the original developers of GNU Cash were from USA? :)
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09:37:22 <psusi> hrm... odd.. only after I created a bank account with an initial balance and the program created an "Opening Balances" account for me do I now get the option to create accounts as either income or expense
09:37:23 <warlord> The original developer of the biz features was. (namely, me) :)
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09:37:51 <warlord> psusi, you could always create a top-level income/expense account.
09:38:27 <psusi> it wouldn't let me before
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09:39:11 <warlord> Did you have "new top-level account" chosen in the dialong?
09:39:12 <warlord> dialog
09:39:17 <psusi> yep
09:40:34 <psusi> hrm... odd... I swear I tried that thinking that could be the problem, but I started over and now I can't reproduce it
09:40:55 <warlord> Hmm.. I suspect you had an existing account selected and not the "new top-level"
09:41:09 <Guest91> warlord: Oh!... nice
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09:43:09 <warlord> I wrote it for myself, but tried to make it generic. But yes, it was inherently single-currency-at-a-time. It COULD handle multiple currencies, but not "simultaneously". Any currency translation had to happen outside the invoices/payments.
09:44:26 <Guest91> Thank you for the contribution, I can understand that it can be hard to implement a "perfect" system in a complex program like GnuCash
09:44:54 <warlord> Indeed. It's a work of love spanning multiple decades. (I wrote that code back in like 2002)
09:45:10 <Guest91> Wow
09:45:17 <Guest91> That is a long time ago now :)
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09:47:05 <psusi> I did initially but I noticed that and switched it to top level in the create account dialog
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09:48:33 <warlord> Guest91, I joined the project in the late 1990s :)
09:49:07 <warlord> psusi, and once you do that, it should enable all account types from the top level :)
09:49:34 <warlord> There are generally three groups: Equity, Asset/Liability (and those sub-types), and Income/Expense
09:53:02 <Guest91> warlord: that's great, just found your wikipedia page...
09:53:11 <warlord> :)
09:53:19 <warlord> Feel free to update it :)
09:53:35 <Guest91> Unfortunately I am not a Wikipedia contributor :)
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09:54:32 <psusi> I'm trying to import transactions and it wants me to select a deposit or withdrawl column.. what's it talking about? I've got date, price, and number, action ( buy/sell )... shouldn't that be enough?
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09:55:21 <Guest91> psusi: Importing is easier if you do it in a format like QIF etc.
09:55:48 <psusi> don't have it
09:56:02 <Guest91> what format are you importing from?
09:56:06 <psusi> csv
09:56:44 <Guest91> Sorry, I am not familiar with it. And CSV can vary wildly, I assume GnuCash has documentation on how to import from CSV
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09:58:07 <Guest91> psusi: https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html#trans-import-csv
09:58:47 <warlord> GnuCash can import from CSV, but it helps if you have your account tree already in place.
09:59:21 <psusi> it just seems to say that withdrawl or deposit must be defined, not what they mean or why
09:59:48 <psusi> I've set up the tree and initial cash balance... now I'm trying to import all of the trades
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10:03:52 <psusi> hrm... I guess the csv has a total value for the transaction and so it's negative for buys.. I guess that's a withdrawl?
10:05:13 <psusi> oops... looks like it's treating withdrawl as the number of shares rather than the dolar amount
10:08:30 <psusi> hrm... that's not right either
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10:17:25 <psusi> it seems I crashed the program... it said too many root sets and closed when I tried to use the importer
10:17:57 <psusi> after it ignored my selection for the price column and decided that the price for all transactoins was 1 so I deleted and recreated the account to try importing again
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10:24:49 <warlord> I dont know if the importer will import stock transactions.
10:26:55 <psusi> yea, it seems to be totally broken.. it lets you select a column for action and price but then completely ignores them... it just sets the price for all transactions to 1 and treats them all as buys even though many say sell
10:27:06 <psusi> damn...
10:27:33 <psusi> also it created an "imbalance" account to transfer the shares "from"
10:28:10 <psusi> if I'm buying shares, they aren't transfering from anywhere.. I'm exchanging money for shares... it should debit the cash account $ and credit the stock account in shares, shouldn't it?
10:29:30 <warlord> Well, you do have to tell it what the cash account is where you are buying the shares. The importer cannot guess.
10:29:55 <warlord> You're honestly better off importing via QIF if you can get your hands on some.
10:30:05 <warlord> Or just start from scratch and ignore your history.
10:33:41 <psusi> I did tell it
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10:34:05 <psusi> entering the transactoins manually at least seems to be working
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10:36:41 <psusi> except that I have to keep selecting the cash account again every time I enter a new transaction
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10:39:14 <warlord> yes, you need to enter the transfer account every time. it will autofill that if you repeat the description.
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10:56:08 <chris> warlord: you may be needed to respond to queryes about Lots... Are they compatible with Stock Split ?!?
10:57:49 <warlord> Honestly, I don't know.
10:58:08 <chris> warlord: CSV importer is broken for Stock & currency conversions afaiu from geert
11:00:21 <warlord> Ok. that answers that for psusi
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11:26:34 <rick> hi all
11:26:59 <rick> I have a question regarding finance quotes
11:27:27 <rick> any gurus on now?
11:30:52 <rick> well, here´s my q
11:31:32 <rick> I´m switching from opensuse 15.2 with gnc 3.9 to manjaro 1.0 with gnc 4.1
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11:32:12 <rick> I had to build the gnc 4.1 myself because it´s not available from servers, but I had no real problems
11:33:55 <rick> Now, while finance::quote works with gnc-fq-dump and alphavantage on the cli, it doesn´t from gnucash, or even gnucash-cli.
11:34:41 <rick> I get an undescribed ¨system error¨, no further details. It sure would help if some who knows the system could respond. Thanks!
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11:42:10 <rick> oops, it´s manjaro 20.08, not 1.0, with xfce, for raspberry pi 4
11:43:58 <jralls> rick, does it work with gnc-fq-helper on the command line? Instructions for use are in the file.
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11:47:08 <rick> jrails, that doesn´t seem to be installed, but I can do that if it´s different from gne-fq-dump
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11:53:22 <warlord> if it's not installed, there's your problem.
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11:58:42 <rick> I think there must be something else, too. When I run it with alphavantage and this: echo '(alphavantage "CSCO" "JDSU" "^IXIC")' | gnc-fq-helper
11:59:08 <rick> I get (#f
11:59:08 <rick> #f
11:59:09 <rick> #f)
11:59:15 <rick> that´s it
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12:01:14 <warlord> That means it's not acquiring prices correctly.
12:01:48 <rick> Makes sense, but it does with gnc-fq-dump, one price at a time.
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12:05:08 <rick> ALPHAVANTAGE_API_KEY=xxx gnc-fq-dump CSCO gives:
12:05:29 <rick> Finance::Quote fields Gnucash uses:
12:05:29 <rick> symbol: CSCO <=== required
12:05:29 <rick> date: 08/24/2020 <=== recommended
12:05:29 <rick> currency: USD <=== required
12:05:29 <rick> last: 42.1800 <=\
12:05:29 <rick> nav: <=== one of these
12:05:29 <rick> price: <=/
12:05:29 <rick> timezone: <=== optional
12:05:56 <warlord> Put that key in for the -helper script too?
12:06:03 <rick> yes, same way
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12:06:30 <rick> not sure if echo works correctly though, I could try to put it within ech
12:07:08 <warlord> echo '(yahoo_json "CSCO")' | /usr/bin/gnc-fq-helper
12:07:08 <warlord> (("CSCO" (symbol . "CSCO") (gnc:time-no-zone . "2020-08-25 12:00:00") (last . #e41.905) (currency . "USD")))
12:07:50 <warlord> When I plug in all three:
12:07:51 <warlord> echo '(yahoo_json "CSCO" "JDSU" "^IXIC")' | /usr/bin/gnc-fq-helper
12:07:51 <warlord> (("CSCO" (symbol . "CSCO") (gnc:time-no-zone . "2020-08-25 12:00:00") (last . #e41.8924) (currency . "USD"))
12:07:51 <warlord> ("JDSU" (symbol . "JDSU") (gnc:time-no-zone . "2019-06-28 12:00:00") (price . failed-conversion) (currency . failed-conversion))
12:07:51 <warlord> ("^IXIC" (symbol . "^IXIC") (gnc:time-no-zone . "2020-08-25 12:00:00") (last . #e11394.27) (currency . "USD")))
12:08:07 <rick> within echo doesn´t work
12:08:42 <rick> I wasn´t abel to get yahoo to work from within the 3.9 version, I guess I could try 4.1
12:08:53 <warlord> That echo command looks fine; my guess is the AlphaVantage key isn't getting set properly.
12:09:06 <warlord> Note you need yahoo_json, not yahoo.
12:11:05 <rick> I tried copying and pasting your line in, and even when I change the location of helper, there are a lot of errors on here
12:11:37 <rick> ¨failed conversion¨ for prices and currencies
12:13:37 <warlord> Clearly I'm getting a failure on JDSU
12:15:06 <rick> Well, actually, it seems to work ok if I get rid of JDSU
12:15:40 <rick> so do I specify Yahoo_JSON in each stock in gnucash to fix this problem?
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12:16:58 <warlord> yes
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12:17:42 <rick> does it work for currencies like euro too?
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12:24:00 <warlord> Do you mean does it work for stocks denoted in other currencies like Euro? Yes, but you need to specify a slightly different mnemonic to indicate the target exchange where it is traded in that currency.
12:24:49 <rick> No actually, I meant a savings account in euros. I moved to France a few years ago.
12:25:23 <warlord> oh. you mean USD-EUR rates...
12:25:46 <warlord> Umm. I know GnuCash does it, but I don't recall where or what source; it might require alphavantage
12:26:02 <rick> I´m trying it now. :)
12:26:28 <jralls> It does, currency quotes are presently hardwired to alphavantage in F::Q.
12:27:47 <rick> Well, I had no errors anyway, but the acid test will be tomorrow, since I downloaded today´s prices already. MANY thanks!
12:29:07 <rick> I´ll let you know if there are any more problems, but it looks good for now!
12:29:14 <rick> bfn
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