2020-08-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:41:51 <gjanssens> .
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05:50:39 <karla> i'm very new to irc, want to join irc.gnome.org, but now it shows GIMPNet, this is allright for talking about gnucash ?
05:51:17 <grepular> Yes
05:56:21 <karla> i have installed gnucash on windows and importet a qif file, now it doesnot show german Umlaute the right way. What should i do ?
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08:25:31 <chris> shouldn't xaccAccountSetCommodity bail out if account has splits?
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08:34:09 <gjanssens> chris: that would indeed be thoughtful design. I can't think of a use case to do so afterwards.
08:35:00 <gjanssens> I expect to get at least one user to complain though that they can't fix a mistake they made early on :(
08:35:25 <chris> AFAIK the UI already disables it, I'm referring to the Account.cpp definition
08:35:35 <gjanssens> Whether we should give in to such complaint is a whole other question :)
08:36:04 <gjanssens> I know. Which means you can currently script such a misguided operation still.
08:36:15 <gjanssens> I'm all for disalowing it.
08:36:24 <chris> I'll take the blame...
08:37:09 <gjanssens> :D
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08:47:48 <chris> Hmm maybe best leave it; it's part of Scrub.c
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10:18:38 <rigid> hm, the bar for new users to gnucash is still quite high from my pov but compared to a few years ago, there are HUGE improvements
10:18:59 <rigid> congrats & tnx to all contributors
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11:33:03 <psusi> I'm trying to import transacions from my brokerage from a CSV file. The only setting I could see that could make sense for the stock symbol colum is "Transaction Commodity", but it complains that the values can not be understood. Why?
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12:27:42 <gjanssens> psusi CSV import of stock data is not working as far as I know. Sorry about that.
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13:25:45 <psusi> darn
13:26:23 <psusi> also it seems that it barfs at $ in the price
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14:05:21 <psusi> I'm confused... I'm trying to create a stock account, and it seems to want me to define exactly one kind of stock that the account can hold?
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15:11:07 <fell> gjanssens, I believe, jralls should not comment on translation bugs before the reporter has uploaded his translation. ;-)
15:16:15 <fell> Background: I had told the nb translator on one of his PRs, to make notes about issues. He fieled a bug report for each and created a wiki page to link them: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Jeblad/bugs&curid=4252&oldid=16679.
15:17:15 <fell> After a few comments he closed the bugs and cleared his wiki page.
15:17:50 <fell> and nb.po is still at 51%.
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16:02:33 <CDB-Work> i guess psusi left before i could give him an answer
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16:33:50 <gjanssens> fell: yes that's unfortunate :(
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18:11:53 <jralls> fell, did you read the bugs?
18:12:09 <fell> yes
18:12:28 <jralls> And your opinion of them?
18:13:04 <fell> I see primary a terminology discrepancy between you.
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18:14:25 <fell> BTW He just PMed me, he would withdraw.
18:16:06 <jralls> Yeah, I'm not surprised. He seems very much to be a "my way or the highway" kind of person. He wants the English strings his way or he's gone. Good riddance, IMO.
18:18:20 <jralls> For the record, I disagree that those were translation bugs. They were UX bugs, and I told him in every one of them that he should translate the strings in a way that make sense to Norwegian users. That was apparently not good enough, he wants to dictate the UX for everyone else too.
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18:19:42 <fell> I had suggested, to notify problematic string. I do it often in de.po, he used the official way and filed bugs
18:20:20 <fell> Somehow it escalated between you.
18:21:04 <fell> You are right about his unspecific terminology.
18:22:03 <jralls> Those bugs weren't about problematic strings. And his terminology wasn't unspecific at all.
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18:24:48 <fell> "One transaction automatically created" looks nicer than "1 transaction automatically created"
18:25:09 <jralls> I didn't even comment on that one. He's right about that.
18:26:28 <jralls> I also agree that it's nicer to use curly quotes, I just called him out over calling them "smart quotes", which is something else. I don't think it's something we should change *right now*, but that didn't seem to be the problem.
18:28:39 <jralls> I think what set him off was that I told him "File" – "Preferences" to describe a menu item looks weird to native English speakers.
18:29:40 <jralls> But I also told him that if that's what Norwegians expect then that's what he should put in the msgstr.
18:31:18 <fell> I don't know, how Microsoft calls "typographic quotes" in bokmal. He has to do 2 translation steps bokmal->english, MS->POSIX. That might be the reason for the weak terms.
18:32:50 <fell> About the "->" after slepping of it, I thought I will look in the docbook xslt for the triangle.
18:34:06 <jralls> Unicode is Unicode. It's all one standard, regardless of platform.
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18:35:26 <jralls> For the arrow he was going on about how it's directional and that's somehow bad. He specifically said that he didn't like arrows, no matter how their formed.
18:36:48 <jralls> s/their/they're/
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18:40:45 <fell> ISTR I saw somewhere "Menu|Submeny|Entry".
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18:46:47 <jralls> I've seen that too. I read it as a choice because of 20 years exposure to perl. I don't whether normal people would recognize that as a menu. They probably would, but it might take a little while to get used to.
18:52:44 <fell> I would not use it in the source. ;-)
18:55:11 <fell> he.po: 'קובץ -> מאפיינים -> חשבונות
18:56:24 <jralls> Yeah, I don't get the directionality issue either. RTL translators will just turn the arrows around, or use something else if that's what users in their country are accustomed to.
18:59:04 <jralls> We do need to make sure that there aren't any composed strings like g_strdup_printf ("%s -> %s", _("File"), _("New")). I did find Save As... as a msgstr, but I haven't had time to follow up on it.
19:01:06 <jralls> I doubt that an Israeli user would be pleased with קובץ <- מאפיינים <- חשבונות !
19:02:02 <fell> I assume Avi had complained. He found many RTL bugs.
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19:05:23 <jralls> Yeah, I suppose he would have.
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19:08:45 <fell> I will try to calm down jeblad. I want a fresh nb.po! ;-)
19:10:32 <jralls> OK. I've already put him in the category of gasbag I have no interest in dealing with. That's better than offensive gasbag I refuse to deal with, a category containing only Wm.
19:10:48 <fell> About PR 758: The dialog still uses "Association"
19:11:11 <jralls> Sigh. I'll have another go at it tomorrow.
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21:07:10 <chris> CDB-Man: is it your view that all your SPY activity, although conducted <->USD, should be recorded with transaction currency CAD? Thereby every transaction input triggers SPY/CAD and USD/CAD price inputs?
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21:30:54 <CDB-Work> chris: yes thats the whole idea, and the whole reason why getting historical prices matter, and why jralls wants a more elegant, long term solution
21:31:18 <CDB-Work> everything ought to be expressed in book root/home currency terms
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21:32:14 <chris> so USD/SPY shouldn't matter then?
21:32:36 <CDB-Work> in commercial business usage, ledgers are only ever recorded in 1 currency, the home currency. if anything, gnucash is the anomaly allowing for foreign currency accounts. foreign currencies are recorded either in a way similar to how gnucash does commodities, or you do it outside the accounting system entirely
21:32:47 <chris> bit complicated for us non-beancounters
21:32:49 <CDB-Work> > so USD/SPY shouldn't matter then? <-- yes..... with an asterisk
21:33:00 <CDB-Work> it matters, but you should convert both to CAD
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21:33:17 <chris> (*always an asterisk)
21:34:27 <CDB-Work> its why if you go back to my original attachments with the GAAP analysis scenarios
21:34:37 <CDB-Work> I always back convert everything back to CAD at the end of the day
21:35:11 <CDB-Work> https://bugs.gnucash.org/attachment.cgi?id=373770&action=edit this one
21:35:54 <chris> Ok. See https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2014-October/038170.html for a previous unfinished attempt
21:36:38 <chris> see thread "Book Currency" starting from https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-devel/2018-July/thread.html
21:36:52 <chris> At that time IIRC jralls wasn't convinced.
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21:37:19 <chris> there's echos/ghosts of book-currency in codebase, all unmaintained, untested and unfinished, and caused us headaches
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21:41:31 <chris> still in my test-book I'll have to set the transaction currency all in USD because it's what your .gnucash uses. In the future if they can all use book currency then someone will need to modify the test book. The test book will be part of the "software integrity check" to ensure things are working.
21:41:43 <CDB-Work> well it seems to be a related matter to what GAAP would like to see
21:42:19 <CDB-Work> in commercial use, transaction currency is ALWAYS book currency
21:42:29 <CDB-Work> and there is no account ever not book currency
21:42:50 <CDB-Work> which is why using the STOCK register view would be a first step
21:43:15 <CDB-Work> effectively, a shortcut(?) to getting to book currency
21:43:33 <CDB-Work> could be to stop treating different currencies in a special way, and treat them like stocks
21:43:51 <chris> (ok. gtg breakfast)
21:44:01 <CDB-Work> since stocks always inherit the currency if its parent account, this would have the effect of making all foreign currencies expressed in book currency
21:44:07 <CDB-Work> via the STOCK register interface
21:45:04 <CDB-Work> jralls: not sure if that is similar to what you had in mind. and if its not similar, whether this as a shortcut is easier than a "true" book currency implementation
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