2020-08-18 GnuCash IRC logs
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06:28:29 <rigid> can I manually edit the import-map-bayes <slots> in the XML without breaking everything?
06:30:07 <rigid> is the hex-string in the slot path some kind of hash? or just a random UID?
06:30:30 <rigid> i'd like to also add my own keywords
06:31:25 <rigid> although there's a possibility that I didn't understand gnucash automation correctly... ;)
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08:33:33 <gjanssens> .
08:33:33 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 3 days, 7 hours, and 32 minutes ago: <chris> you can change option names - options.scm has a renamed options alist remember?
08:34:02 <gjanssens> chris: right, didn't think about that one
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09:02:56 <gjanssens> jralls: while I smiled when reading your closing reply on https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797910 I also think it's likely to be consiidered fairly offensive language when on the receiving end...
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09:24:51 <chris> gjanssens: quick qu: trying to fix bug 797852. I've isolated it to the following scenario: consider business book with invoices & payments. Invoice 1-July, Payment 31-December. The Customer Report is run with End-date = 01-December. Would you consider the customer report should consider the invoice to be paid or not?
09:25:41 <chris> (Hence the discrepancy - the aging-report considers the lot-balance i.e. paid, whereas owner-report considers invoices and payments i.e. unpaid)
09:26:07 <chris> (simplest fix is to remove date option from both aging-list and owner-report <g>)
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09:36:13 <gjanssens> chris: I'm not an accountant, but I think bills paid after the cut off date should be represented as unpaid at the cut off date in the aging report. If they don't that is a bug.
09:37:01 <gjanssens> My accountant wants to know this at the end of a book year as they have to make special arrangements for such bills.
09:37:30 * jeblad_ thinks bills should disapear into thin air…
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09:51:51 <chris> if this is the preferred approach, then the aging report is the bug
09:53:19 <chris> I can start fixing this. I wonder if fell or jralls have any particular opinion on this as well.
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10:15:20 <fell> Chris: No objection.
10:16:36 <chris> bit tricky to fix :(
10:18:08 <fell> About bug 797910: special if we rely on the distro in travis.
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10:24:24 <chris> I think I fixed it \o/
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10:46:18 <chris> Hmm it may have other unknown behaviour... consider a $20 payment dated 01-jan, later assigned as a payment for $100 invoice dated 01-april, and further payment $25 on 15-april and $25 on 31-december. The report period is 01-april to 01-may. What should the aging-report and owner-report look like? :-O
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10:59:10 <gjanssens> chris: as far as I know an aging report is at a certain date, not for a time period. So you simply count all payments and invoices that happened up until that date
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11:00:52 <gjanssens> The owner report will report only what's happening between the two dates. That is you calculate the state at the beginning and start recording changes from there
11:01:50 <gjanssens> On April 1 you have an invoice that's partially paid. That's your starting situation. From there you record the April 15th payment and not the December 31st one.
11:02:38 <gjanssens> I don't know if the owner report is currently able to reflect an invoice was partially paid before.
11:03:33 <chris> the RHS will consider all lot-splits.
11:03:44 <chris> the LHS is date-filtered.
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11:05:19 <chris> So I think it's all good.
11:06:56 <gjanssens> Ok
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12:27:41 <chris> jralls: I was on github because irc not available during business hours ;)
12:28:52 <chris> I don't think that the underlying C code can run using guile threads - it crashes every time
12:30:14 <chris> The idea to parallelize stems by test-stress-options being split into N sections - each section tests a different set of reports, and the N sections would be test-stress-option-N.scm and CMAKE will run them in parallel.
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12:31:53 <chris> late now, gtg...
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14:16:52 <jralls> gjanssens, re bug 797910, It might be offensive to the unnamed distro's googletest packager, but I'm a) not too concerned about him seeing it and b) maybe being called out as intellectually challenged will motivate him to take the time to understand what he's packaging so as not to break it.
14:19:05 <jralls> chris, re 797852 I agree with gjanssens. More generally a report on a date should reflect the state of the books on that date.
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14:33:31 <jralls> fell, I didn't notice "arch" in the bug title. You're right, that would be a problem. The fact that the maint build passed an hour ago means that the 797910 reporter is confused or worse. I'm updating my Arch VM now to see what's what.
14:38:18 <jralls> And the answer is... Arch installs a shared lib and header, which cmake finds and uses without intervention. There is no source, nor does arch do source packages.
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14:40:44 <fell> jralls, you should add your result to the bug report. :-)
14:41:34 <fell> ... and stay polite! ;-)
14:42:45 <jralls> That's the hard part. Basically the reporter lied. How do you say *that* politely?
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14:44:10 <CDB-Work> perhaps something along the lines of, "after attempting to recreate the result myself, the results I found are actually as follows...."
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14:44:52 <jralls> It still boils down to "you lied, that's not what Arch does."
14:51:30 <fell> In Hindi exists a special term for the different views of the same truth. Image one observes sees a circle, the next a quadrat and the third a triangle, talking about the same object.
14:52:20 <CDB-Work> "the correct description of Arch's function is that it _______"
14:53:16 <fell> I could imagine the reporter has built the google stuff by hand and misconfigured it.
14:53:19 <jralls> So how is claiming that Arch linux installs sources when it doesn't a different view of the same truth?
14:53:42 <jralls> I think that's indeed what happened, and he tried to blame it on his distro.
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14:55:27 <CDB-Work> well you could directly say "Arch does not install sources" then link to a page that supports your statement, and say nothing else on the matter and move on. let the truth of the statement and the citation speak for itself
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14:56:39 <CDB-Work> this feels kinda like me telling my client that yes, you own $40,000 to the IRS because you did NOT repay the employer loan back to payroll within 60 days... it took you 62...
14:58:43 <jralls> No, it's more like telling your client yes, you owe the IRS a penalty because you claimed on the form you signed that you did pay it back in 60 days and they figured out that it was really 62. You're lucky that there's no jail time involved, they don't like being lied to.
15:00:03 <fell> Then they should at first exchange their first boss. ;-)
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15:01:02 <jralls> They don't have that option. Here's hoping the rest of us exercise it in November. :-(
15:02:45 <fell> A few days for BE and a few month for US, I hope.
15:04:47 <fell> BY! I mixed country and language code.
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15:07:25 <jralls> Big difference! I'm not optimistic about BY.
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15:48:15 <gjanssens> Well BE is still without a formally elected first boss after more than a year. We do have a "crisis" government but that's not elected. It was just assembled to manage the corona situation...
15:48:22 <gjanssens> So it's not that great either
15:50:36 <jralls> Is BE PR or do you have constituencies like the UK?
15:51:54 <gjanssens> Sorry, those English words don't mean much to me. What do you mean with PR and what are constituencies ?
15:52:11 <gjanssens> I'm sure you didn't mean pull request...
15:52:58 <fell> It is a representative monarchy like GB.
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16:08:08 <jralls> Proportional Representation. Orthogonal to the head of state arrangements.
16:08:52 <fell> BE is not easy to understand: I lived in a village of dutch and german speaking people, which is part of a french speaking town.
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16:09:33 <jralls> A constituency is a population grouping whose voters elect a single representative, usually named on the ballot.
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16:09:57 <fell> Ah proportinal vs. majority
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16:12:09 <jralls> Right. Usually PR elections are run country-wide, though there are hybrids where a constituency will elect several people proportionally.
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16:17:17 <fell> Below the federal level are 2 parallel levels: regional (territory, roads...) and cultural (languages, carrier of schools, ...)
16:21:38 <CDB-Work> I've read about the BE political subdivisional fracturing
16:21:44 <CDB-Work> it's quite... fractious
16:22:11 <CDB-Work> with North, South, Flemish, Flanders, the Germans not having the top level grouping, and all sorts of mixes
16:22:46 <CDB-Work> as a person with interest in political history, it's fascinating. as a voter, I'm sure not too many people would agree with me
16:25:03 <fell> The difficulty to get a federal government are mostly the differences between french and dutch speaking, but behind are structural differences. Wallony was strong in the industrial age, before and now Flander is stronger by trading.
16:25:08 <jralls> fell, gjanssens, pursuant to a crash with the Mint theme, we should modernize gnc_set_busy_cursor to use gdk_cursor_new_from_name (see https://developer.gnome.org/gdk3/stable/gdk3-Cursors.html). For the busy cursor do you prefer " progress" or "wait"?
16:26:25 <jralls> One would think that a perfect recipe for cooperation: The Flemish obtain the raw materials, the walloons make it into stuff, and the flemish sell the stuff and split the profits.
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16:29:10 <CDB-Work> that would assume rational actors, which humans are not (well I certaintly dont think we are. I am a pessimist)
16:31:12 <fell> The benefit of "progress" is you still have thearrow peak
16:33:36 <CDB-Work> "the arrow peak"?
16:34:55 <fell> in the pointer
16:35:03 <fell> cursor
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16:36:08 <jralls> A pointer bit. I'm not sure that's a benefit though if we're not accepting events, which is the what setting the busy cursor is supposed to mean.
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16:58:13 <rigid> jralls: speaking of cursors, there's also no "horizontal double arrow" cursor when you adjust column widths in the transaction import wizard
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18:38:57 <chris> jralls: thx re: aging. it makes sense.
18:39:28 <chris> jralls: you don't object to the url format owner:c=ownerguid&acct=ownerguid&enddate=TIME64_NUMBER
18:39:43 <chris> I can't think another way to represent time64
18:39:46 <chris> or date
18:39:58 <chris> and I think iso8601 isn't appropriate for url
18:40:54 <jralls> chris, what's wrong with iso8601? And what's supposed to handle owner:?
18:41:57 <chris> having ISO8601 as "2020-05-02 15:59:59" which includes a space in URL is weird
18:42:17 <jralls> rigid, Interesting. I think we rely on Gtk to set that cursor.
18:42:18 <chris> business-urls.c wll convert owner-guid to owner object
18:43:23 <jralls> So you're registering the owner: scheme (or it's already registered) in gnucash/html/webkit1.c and webkit2.c?
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18:45:20 <jralls> As long as it's completely internal, I don't really care as long as it mostly makes sense. That seems to.
18:45:47 <chris> It's registered in business-urls.c gnc_business_urls_initialize() IIUC
18:48:51 <jralls> Never mind, I'll track it down later.
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18:51:30 <chris> some iso8601 has "T" instead of space
18:56:34 <jralls> So?
18:58:36 <chris> if the aging-report links to "owner:c=ownerguid&enddate=2020-05-02 15:59:59&etc", having a space in url isn't right is it?
19:00:00 <jralls> Depends on the URL scheme, doesn't it? In http, you encode spaces with + or %20, but you're defining the owner: scheme so you can do whatever you want.
19:00:49 <jralls> e.g. mailto: allows spaces: mailto:jralls@ceridwen.us<John Ralls>
19:04:50 <chris> good point
19:06:11 <chris> so 797852 #776 will be modified to encode enddate as iso8601 including spaces then?
19:07:36 <jralls> Like I said, whatever makes sense. In this case what makes sense means what's easy to encode in the URI and parse at the other end. You're writing both the encode and decode, so you get to decide.
19:11:09 <jralls> What does the URI handler want the date for? If it's passing it to a function that takes a time64 then that's probably less friction. If it's converting it into a GDate then it's probably easier to parse out the YMD and pass those to g_date_from_dmy() or whatever that function is named.
19:12:45 <chris> the aging-report must link to owner-report and pass the enddate
19:14:02 <chris> I think time64 is much easier -- there's no functional time64_to_iso8601 that guile can use
19:14:19 <chris> theres only gnc_time64_to_iso8601_buff which sets the buffer
19:15:26 <jralls> Yeah, to save the allocation. It gets used a lot in the backends and allocating every string would really slow things down.
19:15:26 <chris> and the char* buffer isn't modified successfuly going via swig
19:15:43 <chris> so let's settle on time64
19:15:48 <jralls> OK.
19:30:15 <chris> btw the guile ppl are dragging their feet regarding win32 patches :(
19:32:01 <jralls> No surprise there.
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