2020-08-15 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:00:47 <chris> @tell gjanssens you can change option names - options.scm has a "renamed options" alist remember?
01:00:47 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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14:53:23 <fell> jralls something went wrong with the force push of htdocs beta. index.phtml shows a merge conflict at the end, but not in my local version.
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15:36:09 <jralls> fell, I don't see any conflict indicators in https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-htdocs/blob/beta/index.phtml.
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15:49:02 <fell> in https://www.gnucash.org/beta/ I see
15:49:04 <fell> <<<<<<< HEAD
15:49:05 <fell> GnuCash 4.0 Released
15:49:21 <fell> and
15:49:22 <fell> =======
15:49:24 <fell> GnuCash 4.0 veröffentlicht
15:50:10 <fell> …
15:50:12 <fell> >>>>>>> 821d9e8534f06213ca8c44b2ffe196c8221c0b75
15:53:06 <fell> BTW, jralls, the beta stuff doesn't work as expected, when I change linked top level elements like favicon.
15:55:11 <jralls> Ah, I know what happened: The push to www.gnucash.org created a merge instead of a reset. I think we need linas to do a "git reset --hard origin/beta" from the console.
15:56:43 <fell> Same idea here, too. linas_ ^
15:57:12 <jralls> I'm not sure what you mean about the "beta stuff doesn't work as expected", but maybe the paths in the beta CSS are different from master?
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16:00:00 <fell> In header is extensive use of :href="<?=$home?>/…
16:05:34 <fell> which is defined in lang.php
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16:27:29 <jralls> fell I made a branch old-beta to point to where it was before you did the reset and did git diff -b beta lang.php from there. Nada, so whatever is the problem it's somewhere else.
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16:38:41 <fell> with git status branch beta 'php index.phtml | tidy' contains:
16:38:43 <fell> <link rel="icon" href="https://www.gnucash.org/favicon.ico"
16:38:45 <fell> type="image/x-icon" />
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16:41:21 <jralls> Looking at history it's always been that way. We *could* hard-code $home = https://www.gnucash.org//beta
16:42:18 <jralls> but ISTM it would be better to make both of them use $root = (!empty($_SERVER['HTTPS']) ? 'https' : 'http') . '://' . $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] . '/' per https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18220977/how-do-i-get-the-root-url-of-the-site.
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17:15:04 <fell> $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] is empty, if run on the console.
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17:16:37 <jralls> Of course it is. You're not connected to a web server when on the console.
17:16:47 <fell> Anyway, I see still other tasks.
17:17:08 <fell> … easier to fix
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20:42:34 <CDB-Man> chris: will you be around today?
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20:46:40 <chris> CDB-Man: intermittently yes
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20:47:25 <CDB-Man> okay, that's still better than 0 :) -- I'm downloading your ACB tool now and going to test it out
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20:56:31 <CDB-Man> chris: to your suggestion that the easiest way to add it was to overwrite lot viewer.... well when I do that, it ends up that gnucash doesnt load at all
20:56:39 <CDB-Man> splash screen comes up, then it dies
20:59:10 <CDB-Man> okay, rahter than overwriting dropping it directly into the standard reports folder works
20:59:15 <CDB-Man> but i get an error when running the rpeort
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21:13:06 <chris> obviously some x/0 has happened
21:14:19 <chris> in your datafile
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21:18:29 <chris> CDB-Man: the latest https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/blob/maint-ACB-tool/gnucash/report/reports/standard/acb-tool.scm will dump rows into tracefile
21:21:56 <chris> and...just updated now to avoid division/0
21:26:10 <CDB-Man> chris: trying that out momentarily
21:27:37 <CDB-Man> hmm, this looks neat
21:28:25 <CDB-Man> what's the "expense account" dropdown for? to select where sold commissions go?
21:28:43 <chris> yes
21:28:58 <chris> populates the sale cost column
21:29:11 <CDB-Man> hmm, i need to pick a ticker with mpre activity
21:30:23 <CDB-Man> okay, now to check this against excel
21:31:50 <CDB-Man> hmm, you have conversion columns there, but given that the options creen doesnt hve a selector for currency, i guess it currency does nothing for now (which is fine, given that we dont yet have proper currency updating yet anyways)
21:31:57 <CDB-Man> just an observation
21:32:21 <chris> yes- exatly like your excel
21:32:36 <CDB-Man> well, my excel has a vlookup to rates on the other tab
21:32:51 <CDB-Man> i just forced it to be 1.00 for ease of testing base features for now
21:34:39 <CDB-Man> i think for standard transactions this does pretty well chris! at least the normal activity in my portfolio seems alright. going to start throwing harder tests at it now then
21:34:39 <chris> well if the book has reliable fx rates then we can use it
21:34:54 <chris> ok \o/
21:35:24 <CDB-Man> hmm, and in the process i may have found myself a data error of my own
21:36:07 <CDB-Man> lets see if its a data error, or a report error
21:37:05 <CDB-Man> data error, report is fine. score 1 for chris and -1 for me
21:38:38 <CDB-Man> i will be very happy if this report, when completed, can eliminate my reliance on running a duplicate dataset in excel of all my investment activity
21:38:56 <CDB-Man> at least in non-converted currency
21:39:11 <CDB-Man> the currency part being dependent on gnucash core being able to download all the historical rates
21:40:45 <chris> you could do "gnucash-cli -Q get" regularly
21:41:34 <CDB-Man> yeah, though after our extended conversations last month, i beleive jralls is working on something more elegant
21:42:33 <chris> in exchange, you could write a paragraph or two in the documentation to emphasize how stock transactions *must* be recorded... and thus acb-tool can become the defacto report instead of the ugly advanced-portfolio
21:42:48 <chris> because I find the stock UI unsatisfactory, too error-prone
21:43:55 <CDB-Man> indeed, providing templates on exactly how they should be recorded can be done
21:44:47 <chris> and ACB-tool will highlight any transaction that seems dubious
21:45:02 * chris will try make fx work now
21:45:08 <CDB-Man> i can foresee something like acb-tool-details + acb-tool-summary
21:45:19 <CDB-Man> where the details report is what we have right now, all transactions for a stock
21:45:31 <CDB-Man> and summary essentially only shows the ending banace of ACB and # units
21:45:54 <CDB-Man> from there, it would be a trivial matter to add a field to take pricedb's latest price to show current unrealized gain/loss
21:46:15 <CDB-Man> tracking cumulative dividends that the current portfolio report does... i understand the appeal, but it's extremely cumbersome
21:46:36 <CDB-Man> i mean it can be done, but only if users are disciplined enough to always record it in a transaction exactly as per spec
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21:54:14 <chris> CDB-man: Refresh from github. Now does FX conversion using pricedb nearest
21:54:43 <chris> ACB-tool detail/summary will be a simple report option
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22:00:12 <CDB-Man> downloading
22:02:46 <CDB-Man> can we show more decimal places for currencies? at least 4. i think we store up to 6 right?
22:05:56 <CDB-Man> okay looks to work. though of course it differs from my tool since 1) gnu is using nearest neighbour fx whereas i have daily fx, and 2) gnu using alphavantage whereas i use bank of canad
22:06:04 <CDB-Man> otherwise this looks fine
22:07:27 <CDB-Man> okay more complex scenarios now. lets spin up the jralls example i had from comment 79 .... (at least i think it was 79)
22:21:31 <CDB-Man> nice, it works for the example I posted with splits and such too
22:21:39 <CDB-Man> now lets try adding in short sales....
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22:29:08 <crossan007> Has anyone tried editing budegeted values for security accounts in the budget editor? It doesn't seem to be applying a price conversion when calculating the remaining budget...
22:30:21 <crossan007> I'm pretty sure it's a bug (which I'll file on bugzilla), but wanted to check here first.
22:38:05 <crossan007> Filed as 797908
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22:44:47 <CDB-Man> chris: hmm, i think i will need to add a double negative check in my template to handle short sales. when i figure that out, i will upload a new tool excel and new gnucash file
22:45:06 <chris> ok. meanwhile fx has more digits.
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22:55:57 <linas_> jralls and fell I just saw my name in lights ... is that git reset still needed?
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23:00:31 <CDB-Man> chris: okay I think I have figured it out. there were a few places where i used a negative as sign reversal. changing that to an ABS() check instead. gonna write it up and upload a new file after
23:01:30 <chris> CDB-Man: I tend to dislike ABS... it hides errors
23:01:55 <chris> I'd rather create a new col
23:02:05 <CDB-Man> well, in this case, its because both my unit cumulator and my cost basis cumulator need to track the negative
23:02:15 <CDB-Man> if you dont abs, you get a double negative situation
23:05:45 <chris> is this for handling short-sells?
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23:07:39 <CDB-Man> yes
23:08:32 <chris> hmm maybe in this case it'll be safe
23:09:05 <chris> we want to avoid cases whereby eg. Expenses:Fees are negative and are incorrectly sanitized
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23:20:18 <CDB-Man> hmm
23:22:11 <CDB-Man> in my book, the stock account looks like this
23:22:12 <CDB-Man> https://i.imgur.com/9JcCnz3.png
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23:22:32 <CDB-Man> but in the my test file, it looks like this
23:22:32 <CDB-Man> https://i.imgur.com/RvunymI.png
23:22:48 <CDB-Man> the difference being the test file allows "exchange rates" for cash accounts
23:22:50 <CDB-Man> but my book does not
23:22:56 <CDB-Man> what is the setting thats causing the difference?
23:23:00 <CDB-Man> and which is better?
23:24:29 <chris> you mean the 1.0000 prices? I'm not sure what would trigger its display, jralls's your man
23:24:55 <CDB-Man> yeah, i get the feeling this is related to something something exchange rates for anything not the book's default currency
23:25:08 <CDB-Man> and i dont know where or how to change it
23:25:26 <CDB-Man> and this would probably provide more transparency into our overall bigger exchange problems
23:25:34 <CDB-Man> (re multi column balance sheet and such)
23:26:26 <CDB-Man> and not just the 1.0000's chris, also the fact that you can specify quanitty of other currency
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23:29:26 * chris has no idea
23:31:22 <CDB-Man> in any case, almost done with this short example
23:31:31 <CDB-Man> this rate issue came up as a tangent
23:31:49 <fell> Linas AFAIK nobody else has access.
23:32:52 <CDB-Man> hmm, i also vaguely remember I think warlord saying at some point in the past, treaty currencies as commodities with units was a legacy thing that was stripped --- this may be relted to that
23:34:54 <CDB-Man> hmm, note to self: if attempting to use the BUY and SELL action flags, when short selling you are forced by the software to set it as SELL... meaning you cannot use the SELL flag to search for dispositions
23:35:13 <CDB-Man> for the purposes of generating a portfolio report, that is
23:35:56 <CDB-Man> dispositions will need to be analyzed based on the running total... and whether the current total is positive (sell = disposition) or zeero / negative (meaning sold short to open)
23:36:02 <CDB-Man> cc: chris
23:36:31 <chris> ok
23:37:26 <CDB-Man> on another note
23:37:58 <CDB-Man> chris: https://i.imgur.com/f2q0d20.png
23:38:24 <CDB-Man> not sure if this is because you religiously followed my original formulas and hence why you dont get negative 11k as the cost basis
23:38:34 <CDB-Man> or if there is a chris-addon that did this
23:38:44 <CDB-Man> i willupload the gnucash file and excel when done
23:38:47 <CDB-Man> getting close
23:39:12 * chris knows high-school calculus, and a few GST formulas and that's all
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23:47:13 <CDB-Man> bleh, gnucash cant handle my shorts, keeps crashing... :)
23:48:16 <chris> the UI?
23:50:17 <chris> (+ for jralls/fell - one of you will need to test taxtxf[DE] exports still work)
23:50:42 <CDB-Man> yeah the UI
23:50:47 <CDB-Man> almost done
23:50:55 <CDB-Man> just _one_ transaction left.....
23:51:06 <chris> UI shouldn't crash ... this deserves bug
23:52:42 <CDB-Man> its to do with those currency fields i mentioned above
23:52:51 <CDB-Man> whenever i try to fill them in, sometimes it can freeze and crash
23:53:00 <CDB-Man> so in that regard, i am happy my own book seems to have them disabled
23:53:12 <CDB-Man> not that i fully understand those fields' behaviour....
23:53:39 <chris> Hmm if it freezes it may be my bug 797874 that jralls can't reproduce
23:54:57 <CDB-Man> well in my case its not a soft freeze, its a force close
23:55:21 <CDB-Man> okay, my gnucash book and the excel file are done