2020-08-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:56:25 <gjanssens> .
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06:41:02 <roxart> hi all
06:41:18 <roxart> fell: also ich habe jetzt das gesamte ding neu aufgesetzt und die euro buchungen reingeladen
06:41:28 <roxart> kontotransaktionen per stichtag mit entsprechendem kurs
06:42:00 <roxart> euro erlöse und aufwände testmässig doch nochmals auf euro erlös und aufwandskonten gebucht (da ich da sonst für jeden punkt den tageskurs nachschauen müsste)
06:42:15 <roxart> und jetzt hat es keine differenzen mehr bei bilanz und ergebnisrechnung
06:42:49 <roxart> und die bilanz zeigt immer zwar noch den punkt gewinne devisenhandel an (kriegt man das irgendwie weg!?) aber ist immer 0
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06:45:12 <chris> gjanssens: I don't suppose you have any particular views regarding harmonising report->html and report->export
06:46:24 <chris> gjanssens: the issue is in report->export, guile code is reponsible for file IO, and this can be moved to C
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06:47:00 <chris> more precisely, the issue is: moving code to C means any custom-report with export code will also do file IO, and this may not be desirable.
06:47:51 <chris> so, worst case scenario: user has custom-report with export file IO; loads onto current code, runs export-code, which means exported-file is written TWICE - first by guile, second by C
06:48:13 <chris> (I suppose we can handle this possibility)
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06:56:56 <gjanssens> chris: no particular views other than it sounds like a good idea to have only one common code base to generate output and separate output generation from file io.
06:57:56 <chris> I think I'll augment html-document to receive an export-string object.
06:58:10 <chris> and I think I can also handle backward compatibility with custom reports.
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07:59:16 <gjanssens> chris: instead of an export-string object, I think it makes more sense to have an output-format object (html, txf, csv,...)
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08:44:18 <chris> gjanssens: it's already kinda like this - gnc:html-document record has fields - title, objects (the whole html tree), and I'm adding export-string
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09:02:58 <warlord> .
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10:25:12 <gjanssens> chris: I'm trying to follow your idea. What would that export-string be then ? And how would it get generated ?
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11:16:28 <chris> export-string would be a field in the gnc:html-document object. by default is "".
11:16:49 <chris> it can be populated during report generation, to contain the whole TXF/CSV.
11:17:05 <chris> C code can then query it to store in file.
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11:39:35 <gjanssens> chris: ok. So what if a report at some will support more than one "export" format ?
11:40:04 <chris> then calling renderer with different export-type will fill export-string with another string
11:40:08 <gjanssens> *at some point...
11:41:51 <gjanssens> Does that mean the report is potentially rendered more than once ?
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11:42:00 <chris> gjanssens: it already does
11:42:12 <gjanssens> Including querying the data more than once ?
11:42:16 <chris> yes
11:42:20 <gjanssens> Uhg
11:43:01 <gjanssens> Though that probably flows from the arcane design, not necessarily your amendments
11:43:22 <chris> sure
11:43:41 <chris> there's a report cache somewhere but not very well done
11:45:20 <chris> gtg
11:45:39 <gjanssens> Looking at it from the distance I'm currently at, an improved design would query the necessary data once based on report options and stores all report data in an intermediate format (typically something like xml). Then from that intermediate format it can be transformed into the output format as requested by the user
11:45:47 <gjanssens> using things like xslt
11:46:09 <gjanssens> That's the separation of structure and presentation I'm hoping for in the long run.
11:46:31 <gjanssens> (If my opinion matters at all considering my reduced involvement :)
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11:51:04 <gjanssens> Anyway, gtg as well.
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12:38:24 <hannes> Hi, does gnucash support cost centres?
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12:43:06 <mib_0lml67> I access gnucash via the program, but I've noticed lots of gnucash files under "documents". Not sure what they are, but when I click on one it says "gnucash could not obtain the lock". What lock? What are these files? Do I need them? Forgive me, but I am nearly computer-illiterate, and searches come up with verbiage I don't understand.
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12:48:40 <hannes> The reason why I ask if gnucash supports cost-centres is because I want to use gnucash to do the bookkeeping for a farm which is seperated into two parts as it is running two different businesses. And in the end I have to do the reporting for each of them seperatly.
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13:11:10 <jralls> hannes: No.
13:14:18 <jralls> hannes: The best way to handle that in GnuCash is to keep three sets of books: One for each of the businesses and then an overall set for the whole enterprise. That has the downside of requiring extra work rolling up the books of the two businesses and posting those roll-ups to the enterprise books.
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13:17:22 <jralls> mib_01m167: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_are_all_these_.gnucash_and_.log_files_filling_up_my_directory.3F
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13:21:28 <jralls> @tell gjanssens re:https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/commit/237626f0dba423196a7e0bd9511d6198f631517b, I haven't heard anything more from Benno about getting a new Dutch translator, but I don't want to ask him to mark nl.po external and leave it in your lap unless you want it.
13:21:28 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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13:51:31 <hannes> @jralls: with three differend sets of books you mean 3 seperate gnucash files, right?
13:51:31 <gncbot> hannes: Error: "jralls:" is not a valid command.
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13:53:10 <jralls> hannes, yes.
13:53:28 <hannes> jralls, thanks.
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14:40:13 <mib_0lml67> Thank you so very much. As to closing properly, just hitting "close" is sufficient? It seems perhaps I wasn't doing that.
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15:59:08 <jralls> mib_01m167: The Close button on the toolbar and File>Close in the menu close the current tab. To quit you should use File>Quit from the menu. If you haven't yet saved your work it will ask if you want to do so first; if you don't then your work since the last save will be discarded.
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16:29:42 <fell> jralls, you did not merge htdocs beta into master. How to sync them again?
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16:33:07 <jralls> fell, how about git checkout beta; git reset --hard master; git push origin beta ?
16:37:17 <fell> OK, if you got everything you needed.
16:39:49 <jralls> I did.
16:40:24 <fell> TThanks1
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21:23:36 <Squillis> oook. evening
21:24:20 <Squillis> i'm limping my way through a migration off quicken. does anyone know if there's support for capital one credit card transaction downloads?
21:25:08 <Squillis> i was using my quicken ofx logs to setup another account, and i finally got that one working, but it looks like quicken calls home for capitalone
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22:28:16 <fell> Squillis, https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings#Capital_One_-_credit_card
22:29:33 <Squillis> i didn't trust that page, because my becu settings are totally different
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22:30:01 <fell> It is a user maintained page.
22:30:39 <Squillis> i mean, i download transactions in quicken. so, i know they support it
22:30:54 <Squillis> but do they not expose their endpoint to the public?
22:31:35 <fell> In the table is also CapitalOne (Banking)
22:31:54 <fell> where it seems possible.
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22:35:21 <fell> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect has also notes.
22:36:56 <fell> or https://ofxblog.wordpress.com/?s=chase
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