2020-07-07 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:48:36 <reactormonk> I got fetching transactions to work nicely, but issuing transactions doesn't seem to display the required phototan code. Gives me back a HBCI: 9120 - Nachricht nicht erwartet. (M) - is that gnucash or aq territory?
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09:52:19 <fell> reactormonk, because none of the core devs is using phototan, can you document your findings, ideally like https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Tan2Go in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Onlinebanking-Einrichtungsassistent?
09:53:49 <fell> If you can execute it successful with aq* tools, but not with gnucash, it is a gnucash issue.
09:55:22 <fell> If you can not execute it with aq* the issue might be 1. in your settings, 2. the bank's configuration, 3. aqbanking.
09:55:23 <reactormonk> Looks like none of the core devs use phototan push either then?
09:56:19 <fell> yep.
09:56:26 <reactormonk> kk
09:57:08 <reactormonk> How do I issue a transaction with aqbanking? --help doesn't list anything like that
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09:58:11 <fell> I believe 'aqhbci-tool4 <params>'
09:59:58 <reactormonk> Yeah, the help on that doesn't list anything regarding making transactions.
10:00:15 <fell> no, see 'aqbanking-cli --help'
10:00:37 <reactormonk> Oh, sweet, thanks!
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11:23:33 <foobar_ergkanerolg> hello!
11:34:22 <fell> hallo!
11:35:23 <fell> , foobar_ergkanerolg
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13:39:13 <jralls> gjanssens, I think it's time to merge master onto maint. Is there anything you need to do first?
13:40:36 <warlord> Should we fork off a 3.x branch ... just in case?
13:43:45 <jralls> Nope.
13:45:01 <jralls> Or maybe I should say "no need". The 3.11 tag will be there forever and can be turned into a branch should one ever become necessary.
13:45:19 <warlord> Fair enough.
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15:11:03 <jw4> /msg nickserv register 34kNkRHU@Yj7 johnweldon4@gmail.com
15:11:24 <jw4> derp
15:11:37 <warlord> OOPS!
15:11:43 <warlord> time to choose a new password, jw4
15:11:57 <jw4> fortunately I _just_ generated it ;)
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15:23:20 <gjanssens> jralls: What do you think of I could still need to do first ?
15:24:00 <gjanssens> Tbh I was already wondering why we hadn't done the merge yet.
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15:25:58 <jralls> Two reasons: To make sure there weren't any early catastrophic bugs in 3.11 that would force a 3.12 like happened with 2.6.20 and I wanted to go through the PRs and merge any for master that were ready so that GitHub would pick them up.
15:27:17 <jralls> If you had some work on a branch derived from master it would similarly be easier for you to merge before back-merging.
15:27:30 <jralls> So I thought it polite to check.
15:29:03 <gjanssens> Very considerate. I don't have anything in the queue though.
15:29:30 <gjanssens> And in the other case I'd be comfortable enough with rebasing to get it going.
15:29:53 <gjanssens> (After a back-merge that is)
15:30:12 <gjanssens> The github case is a good one though.
15:31:35 <jralls> Unfortunately very little proved ready.
15:32:00 <gjanssens> Indeed.
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15:42:30 <fell> jralls, how about https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/741
15:45:32 <jralls> fell, I'm not going to merge that. Neither cstim's nor BobIT's strings are right. Plus cstim is all wet about Edit.
15:47:32 <fell> And the right string i your opinion?
15:47:38 <jralls> So I'll change maint after the "merge". (In quotes because I just tried `git merge -s recursive -X theirs` and it didn't do what I want.)
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15:50:56 <jralls> s/Update Association/<xxx> Association/ where <xxx> is one of Transaction, Invoice, Bill, or Voucher. That's the title of a dialog box and there are a bunch of things one can do in it.
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15:56:07 <jralls> I'm leaning towards "Set <xxx> Transaction" for the menus but I haven't yet decided. Edit doesn't make sense when you're using a chooser.
15:59:28 <fell> How about "Add/Change/Remove %s Associacion/"?
16:00:50 <jralls> Too long, though what do you think about removing the Remove menu item considering that there's a remove button on the dialog?
16:05:40 <fell> Ah, right. I had forgotten, it is a Dialog.
16:06:17 <jralls> That one is a menu item.
16:06:45 <fell> "Change %s Association…"?
16:07:23 <jralls> Which is a better reason to keep it short. Dialog titles have lots of room.
16:07:59 <jralls> Same problem as Update, it can imply there's already a value.
16:08:46 <jralls> "Edit" can imply that too, while "Set" somewhat implies that it doesn't.
16:11:06 <fell> if NULL:"Add":"..."
16:11:35 <fell> but that would be bad for translators
16:11:43 <jralls> So maybe just xxx Association. BTW, I know you want to squish it to a single msgid, but these are static strings. We'd have to g_strdup_printf(_("Change %s Association"), _("Transaction")) and then free it.
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16:15:50 <jralls> And for all I know "Transaction" would need pgettext with an explanation that it's being used in the middle of the phrase to distinguish it from the stand-alone label.
16:16:58 <jralls> Single-word msgids are a bit perilous because lots of languages use different word forms or even words in different contexts.
16:18:10 <fell> Is n't xxx already name of the menu?
16:20:14 <fell> We have menu entry and tooltip.
16:22:05 <fell> acc. can be different from nom.
16:22:17 <jralls> Oh, you're right, it's on both the main Transaction menu and the context menu.
16:22:24 <fell> in some grammars
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16:27:23 <fell> Tooltip: "Add, change or remove the association of the currently selected entry.
16:28:05 <fell> Menu entry: "Association…"
16:29:10 <jralls> Oh, good catch. The dialog menu entry should indeed have an ellipsis.
16:32:14 <fell> ... and the mnenoic at the beginning
16:33:46 <jralls> The transaction menu also has "Open Associated Invoice". Maybe we should make the file/url items "Document Association..." and "Open Associated Document". Remove can be done from the dialog so I'd drop it from the menu.
16:34:24 <fell> right
16:34:57 <jralls> That would work without the reference to what's on this end--which is kind of obvious anyway--and get you your single msgids.
16:38:58 <gjanssens> jralls: "Open Associated Invoice" is a gnucash-internal link. It will open the invoice report if one can be found for the current split/transaction
16:39:16 <gjanssens> This is different from file/uri associations, which refer to external documents.
16:40:04 <gjanssens> The external ones can be anything really.
16:40:34 <jralls> OK. Is that distinction important in naming the menu items and if so how would you word it?
16:40:42 <gjanssens> The internal ones otoh can also be either a bill, invoice, voucher or equivalent credit notes.
16:41:06 <fell> gjanssens: another reason to use"[…]asociated document"
16:41:37 <gjanssens> I don't know really how to word it. But I do think the distinction is important.
16:42:48 <gjanssens> For example one can have a vendor bill, and link a scan of that vendor's document. However that's different from looking at the invoice report for that bill.
16:43:10 <fell> or we use "linked Document"
16:43:21 <gjanssens> One could argue the invoice report for a bill is not really useful but we do have it.
16:43:22 <jralls> Does the Open Associated Invoice open the invoice/bill/voucher report or the business object?
16:43:39 <gjanssens> Oh, that's a good one.
16:43:45 <gjanssens> Let me check
16:44:36 <gjanssens> The business object. And that *is* useful.
16:45:13 <gjanssens> Perhaps we should word those as "Jump to <xxx>"
16:46:15 <gjanssens> We use "Jump" as well to show the account register of a transfer split in the account registers.
16:47:19 <gjanssens> Whereas "Open" may have a stronger link to something outside of gnucash ("Open file",...)
16:47:50 <gjanssens> And that's all I can contribute tonight. Need to get up very early tomorrow...
16:47:51 <fell> show invoice?
16:47:54 <gjanssens> G'night!
16:47:58 <jralls> Indeed. We should probably run that paat gnucash-user.
16:48:04 <jralls> Good night!
16:48:41 <fell> GN8!
16:50:10 <jralls> Funny how that pun works in German, English, French, and Spanish...
16:50:48 <fell> and that is all westrn indogeranic.
16:51:01 <fell> manic
16:51:30 <gjanssens> Even in Dutch :)
16:51:32 <gjanssens> Off now...
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16:53:22 <fell> Something else: I am not happy with removing the russian docs.
16:53:59 <fell> Imagine I am looking for accounting software.
16:55:21 <fell> If I can read the first chapter im my language, I am more inclined to test it than when all is in english only.
16:56:00 <jralls> And you find the russian Guide and read through the introduction and you're excited about learning how to use GnuCash... only to find that the rest of the manual is in English. What a bunch of <insert derogatory term of choice here>. Fat chance I'll use this <insert second derogatory term>!
17:00:10 <fell> but the program looks OK with LANG=ru_RU.utf8
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17:01:02 <jralls> And with several other languages, none of which have any documentation.
17:02:29 <fell> At the beginning the said put it on gnucash.org for coordinating purpose, but do not ship it.
17:04:20 <jralls> OK, so it's not shipped, and it's archived in the repo. If someone comes along and wants to start it up again it's no big deal to pull it out for them, though at some point the C version will have enough changes that one might as well start over.
17:05:57 <jralls> I suspect that might already be the case for Japanese, which hasn't been updated since early 2.4.x. And then there's the Italian mess with po files.
17:08:00 <fell> Probably a question for yyoshino?
17:08:25 <jralls> I've tried a couple of times to fish him in to working on the docs. He won't bite.
17:10:26 <fell> That reminds me, giuseppef is not here today.
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