2020-06-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:15:47 <fell> @tell p07r0457 i hope you are not modifying your transactions from the general ledger, but an regular account. You should always be able to open the exchange dialog from the context menu (right-click) or the main menu.
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04:01:08 <gjanssens> .
04:01:08 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 5 hours and 5 minutes ago: <jralls> I've pushed a new tarball with revised patches, including a more descriptive message and comments for REPLACE_MKTIME and deleted the guile2 info and manifest on the build VM to force its use in the nightlies.
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06:03:28 * gjanssens is curious now what the small boo boo was jralls_afk refers to in bug 797801
06:04:59 <gjanssens> Oh nevermind. I found it in the gnucash master repo.
06:05:55 <gjanssens> The weird thing is I thought it worked on my system, but perhaps I forgot to test a last minute change :(
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12:10:29 <chris> oops
12:12:51 <chris> fixed
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12:22:11 <jralls> .
12:24:52 <jralls> fell: Unless you can think of a reason not to I'm going to merge https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/729 to make the string freeze. I'll fix the parameterization, we can fight over what and how to link later.
12:26:36 <jralls> fell, Maybe you could fix the one thing you objected to in https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/734 and merge it as well?
12:38:55 <fell> OK
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13:04:12 <fell> jralls, done.
13:04:20 <jralls> Thanks.
13:04:30 <fell> Should I run msgmerge for all?
13:05:25 <jralls> No need, distcheck does it.
13:05:39 <fell> oh, cool!
13:06:32 <jralls> No, that's not right. distcheck makes a new pot but it doesn't msgmerge the po files.
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13:07:19 <jralls> But I haven't quite finished with goodvibes's PR which introduces a new tranlated string.
13:07:59 <jralls> I parameterized it but it's not a clickable link which seems clumsy.
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13:24:01 <jralls> meh. Too hard, requires reworking gnc_message_dialog_common.
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13:35:06 <fell> Can the user copy&paste it?
13:37:17 <jralls> Yes.
13:44:06 <fell> That should be sufficient for now.
13:46:50 <jralls> Arg. It won't work to just parameterize the string, the formatted string would be submitted for translation.
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13:55:19 <fell> Huh?
13:56:20 <fell> xgettext xtracts *gettext() + defined keywords like *_
13:58:10 <jralls> (show-error (format #f (N_ "foo ~a") "bar")) won't work because (show-error) does the actual translation and it gets the formatted string which won't match the msgid.
13:58:59 <fell> Hack: (show-error (format #f (_ "foo ~a") "bar"))
13:59:28 <jralls> So I need to re-write it to (gnc-error-dialog window (format #f (_ "foo ~a") "bar")))
14:00:05 <fell> The gettext inside show-error will not find a translation for the already translated string and return it.
14:02:15 <jralls> It won't be already-translated. (N_ "foo") marks foo for translation but doesn't call gettext.
14:02:56 <fell> That is the reson to remove the nop
14:03:58 <fell> _ instead of N_
14:04:15 <jralls> OIC, missed the Hack line.
14:04:18 <fell> or G_ in guile 3
14:04:49 <fell> Not shure about the current state.
14:04:55 <fell> sure
14:05:31 <jralls> We haven't merged the guile 3 change. Maybe next week.
14:09:14 <jralls> Anyway, it's no big deal to call gnc-error-dialog instead of show-error and that saves the extra gettext call.
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14:10:53 <jralls> And pushed.
14:11:41 <jralls> Meanwhile, over in the other VM distcheck passed so it's time for a bike ride and then to write the release notes.
14:11:59 <fell> Have fun!
14:12:00 <jralls> Back in a couple hours.
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15:23:11 <fell> jralls: didn't you send 3.904 to tp? Their page still shows 3.903.
15:45:12 <jralls> fell, there weren't any string changes in 3.904 so I didn't see any need to cycle them.
15:45:58 <fell> Ah, OK
15:46:59 <fell> in between I merged pot into the po files
15:48:52 <jralls> OK.
15:49:43 <fell> Note about Chris' PR: This was https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796993
15:49:45 <jralls> Not that the TP cares about that, they generate their own gnucash.pot, merge it, and run a bunch of tests. Then for the most part ignore it.
15:50:28 <fell> TP is only 1/3 of our translations
15:50:43 <jralls> Thanks, closed.
15:51:20 <jralls> Not even that, really. Most of the TP translations are obsolete.
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15:58:35 <fell> and without merging the statistics is wrong. Imagine an 100% 2.0 po
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16:11:02 <jralls> Interestingly https://translationproject.org/domain/gnucash.html shows fewer translations on the oldest two, eu and rw, than msgfmt --stat does on the current repo.
16:30:27 <jralls> CDB-Man_ can you check https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/master/gnucash-3.904-2020-06-13-git-3.904-36-g51d00fcbe+.setup.exe to see if the Balance sheet shows the closing entries/retained earnings the way you expect?
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16:53:32 <CDB-Man_> jralls: will do
17:05:53 <fell> jralls: because gjanssens merged goffice translations.
17:06:35 <CDB-Man_> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797786#c35 -- replied, the closing entries issue (item #2) has been corrected as expected
17:08:50 <jralls> CDB-Man_, Thanks!
17:09:42 <CDB-Man_> Well, at least 1 of 3 items in that ticket are now addressed! I definitely believe that what chris is working on regarding the commodities side will help to fix his UG calculator in the new BS as well
17:10:09 <CDB-Man_> that "negative" thing he found hopefully fixes my SPY issue. actually, is hould go download his patch and try it out
17:12:28 <jralls> CDB-Man_, I was actually thinking of https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797793...
17:13:05 <CDB-Man_> ah, well, i guess both tickets touch on the issue
17:15:15 <jralls> Indeed, with https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797796 in the mix as well.
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17:35:53 <Guest18> @tell fell yes I'm using regular accounts. I have a "cash" account where money gets deposited then I buy funds like stocks and ETFs and each fund position exists as a sub account using the appropriate fund as the currency.... so I enter a transaction in the cash account to transfer to the fund sub-account and have to enter the # of shares I'm buying. Some of my accounts the transfer dialog automatically shows and I can enter the
17:35:53 <gncbot> Guest18: The operation succeeded.
17:35:53 <Guest18> # of shares which is great. but some accounts don't display the transfer dialog and it just enters the transaction at whatever the last share price was and that's annoying. I have to go into the sub-account and correct the # of shares. I assume there is a configuration difference between the two accounts and I want to fix that so they all behave the same, but I can't figure out what option changes that. Can you tell me how to
17:35:56 <Guest18> set that up?
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17:36:19 <p07r0457> @tell fell yes I'm using regular accounts. I have a "cash" account where money gets deposited then I buy funds like stocks and ETFs and each fund position exists as a sub account using the appropriate fund as the currency.... so I enter a transaction in the cash account to transfer to the fund sub-account and have to enter the # of shares I'm buying. Some of my accounts the transfer dialog automatically shows and I can enter the
17:36:19 <gncbot> p07r0457: The operation succeeded.
17:36:19 <p07r0457> # of shares which is great. but some accounts don't display the transfer dialog and it just enters the transaction at whatever the last share price was and that's annoying. I have to go into the sub-account and correct the # of shares. I assume there is a configuration difference between the two accounts and I want to fix that so they all behave the same, but I can't figure out what option changes that. Can you tell me how to
17:36:20 <gncbot> p07r0457: Sent 14 hours and 20 minutes ago: <fell> i hope you are not modifying your transactions from the general ledger, but an regular account. You should always be able to open the exchange dialog from the context menu (right-click) or the main menu.
17:36:22 <p07r0457> set that up?
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17:57:09 <fell> No need, to use '@tell ...' when I am around.
17:57:09 <gncbot> fell: Sent 21 minutes ago: <Guest18> yes I'm using regular accounts. I have a cash account where money gets deposited then I buy funds like stocks and ETFs and each fund position exists as a sub account using the appropriate fund as the currency.... so I enter a transaction in the cash account to transfer to the fund sub-account and have to enter the # of shares I'm buying. Some of my accounts the transfer dialog automatically shows and I can enter the
17:57:10 <gncbot> fell: Sent 20 minutes ago: <p07r0457> yes I'm using regular accounts. I have a cash account where money gets deposited then I buy funds like stocks and ETFs and each fund position exists as a sub account using the appropriate fund as the currency.... so I enter a transaction in the cash account to transfer to the fund sub-account and have to enter the # of shares I'm buying. Some of my accounts the transfer dialog automatically shows and I can enter the
17:57:37 <p07r0457> sorry
17:57:50 <p07r0457> I haven't used IRC in probably 15 years.... I'm a bit rusty
17:58:11 <p07r0457> Any idea what config I should be looking at?
17:59:42 <fell> Select your Chart of accounts.
18:00:08 <fell> enable the column "Commodity"
18:01:36 <p07r0457> k, I've done that
18:02:20 <fell> Do they all show the right stock symbols?
18:03:13 <p07r0457> yes
18:04:08 <fell> Go into your cash account
18:04:52 <fell> Select a transaction, where the exchnge dialg did not pop up.
18:07:06 <fell> Action->Edit Exchange Rate
18:08:11 <fell> BTW which version are you using? ISTR a similar fixed bug.
18:09:58 <p07r0457> version 3.10, build 3.10+(2020-04-11)
18:10:57 <p07r0457> Edit Exchange Rate opens the Transfer Funds dialog... how can I make that automatically open when I enter a transaction?
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18:17:46 <fell> jralls, do you remember in which releases the 'FX dialog not popping up' was fixed?
18:18:38 <jralls> Don't remember that at all actually. Give me a minute to search git.
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18:25:50 <jralls> fell, Neither "[Ee]exchange.*[Dd]ialog" nor "[Tt]ransfer [Dd]ialog" return anything like that, "[Ff][Xx] [Dd]ialog" returns nothing at all, and "[Dd]ialog not" returns only 1 that has nothing to do with exchange rates.
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18:27:11 <fell> "[Ee]exchange..." is one 'e' to long
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18:28:41 <jralls> IRC typo, search string was right.
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18:29:00 <jralls> I'm not finding any bugs with titles like that either.
18:31:22 <fell> p07r0457: None of us is remembering the details. You should check the next Macos release and return, if it still exists.
18:34:06 <fell> jralls: how are you planning to handle https://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2019/02/19/changes-in-flathub-land/
18:35:58 <jralls> p07r0457 That's not something I've ever had a problem with. Are there accounts for which the transfer dialog consistently fail to appear or does it seem to be random?
18:37:11 <fell> Running flatpak update, I just got: Info: org.gnome.Platform is end-of-life, with reason: The GNOME 3.32 runtime is no longer supported as of 11th March 2020. Please ask your application developer to migrate to a supported platform.
18:40:07 <jralls> fell, the blog article is old news and doesn't say anything about the gnome runtime beyond mentioning that it exists in a comment.
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18:41:43 <p07r0457> It's the same accounts every time
18:41:50 <p07r0457> and it's been a problem for the last several years
18:42:15 <p07r0457> that's why I assume it's a config issue on the account
18:44:18 <jralls> fell, org.gnucash.Gnucash.json says runtime version 3.34. The current one seems to be 3.36 and I can update to that if you like.
18:45:30 <jralls> p07r0457 It probably is something about the account. What is the the account type (lower left corner on the edit dialog) of one that works and one that doesn't?
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18:49:57 <fell> Better we test 3.36 in the nightles before.
18:52:58 <fell> Perhaps I have to clean up old downloads - we do no automatic remove of obsolete nightlies
18:53:02 <p07r0457> @jralls All the cash accounts are of type "Bank"
18:53:54 <jralls> OK, though the Arch Linux test docker, MinGW, and MacOS are all pretty much up to date with Gnome Libraries.
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18:55:02 <jralls> p07r0457: Are you transferring between cash accounts? You said you were buying and selling securities.
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18:56:40 <p07r0457> transfer from cash to a mutual fund
18:57:16 <jralls> OK, and the mutual fund account's type and currency/commodity?
18:57:39 <p07r0457> They're of type "Mutual Fund" and they have a custom commodity for each ticker symbol
19:02:48 <jralls> OK. What portion of them don't work? Are they all under the same parent cash account?
19:05:46 <p07r0457> maybe 1/3 don't work. They have different accounts as direct parents, but have a common parent above that
19:08:50 <jralls> Which level does the cash come from, the direct parent or the common one? Does each one have its own parent? If not do the ones that don't work cluster or are they evenly distributed across the near-level parents?
19:13:41 <p07r0457> cash account is the direct parent of the mutual funds.
19:14:33 <p07r0457> can anyone clarify which behavior is expected/correct from a design perspective? Independent of what I'd like, should the transfer dialog automatically show, or not?
19:18:47 <jralls> The transfer dialog should come up when you're in a currency account register (because stock/fund account registers have a price field, no need for the dialog) and you leave a transaction in basic view or a split in split view where the transfer account has a different commodity to the current register.
19:20:47 <jralls> The only exception would be if you haven't changed the amount of the split/transaction or if you're editing an already-created split in split view.
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19:34:02 <p07r0457> Well that might have just answered my question, right there
19:34:26 <p07r0457> the account that never shows the transfer dialog is one that gets a regular repeating deposit/purchase. The # of shares purchased obviously changes as the NAV of the fund changes... but the dollar amount is fixed.
19:34:40 <p07r0457> I guess I should make a test transaction and change the dollar amount and see if the transfer dialog comes up
19:35:37 <p07r0457> If that's the root issue, then how do I make a suggestion for changing the behavior? Because the share price constantly changes, the # of shares a fixed amount of money would buy changes and therefore I don't think it's appropriate to suppress the transfer dialog. gnuCash should ask for either the conversion rate (share price) or # of units bought
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19:38:59 <p07r0457> Test transaction confirms that's the issue
19:43:40 <jralls> How are you creating the new transaction?
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20:07:19 <p07r0457> I'm entering them in the register for the cash account
20:12:08 <jralls> I meant are you typing it in every time, copying and pasting, or using Duplicate Transaction from the Transaction or context menu?
20:12:40 <p07r0457> I type it in, but the description is the same, each time, so it auto-populates the other fields.
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20:13:28 <jralls> Ah. Well, it's auto-populating the price and value too.
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20:14:35 <jralls> So what you're effectively asking for is that it not do that. I'm pretty sure that other users would object.
20:15:06 <p07r0457> I'm fine with it copying the dollar amount, but I object to it copying the # of shares
20:15:25 <p07r0457> or at least let me configure the fund/currency to say that every day or even every transaction requires that info
20:15:26 <jralls> That's nice. We didn't write it Just For You.
20:15:44 <p07r0457> you don't have to be a jerk. configuration options are so that software can be many things to many people
20:16:21 <p07r0457> if you open the preferences window you'll discover that there are already a lot of configuration options.... So clearly it's been recognized that different people need different things and that is OKAY.
20:16:55 <jralls> We already have a lot of configuration options. As for being a jerk, consider who is demanding a change to a widely used FREE program created by VOLUNTEERS just to fit his use case.
20:17:29 <p07r0457> "demanding"? Jeez are you having a bad day, or something? I don't understand why you're taking it out on me. I asked where I could REQUEST a feature. Now you're really being a jerk.
20:18:05 <jralls> I'm not taking it out on you. Quoting "but I object to it copying the # of shares".
20:18:20 <p07r0457> how is that an inappropriate statement?
20:18:56 <jralls> That's a demand. You object to the way it's written. You want it Your Way.
20:19:08 <p07r0457> Is English not your first language?
20:20:22 <CDB-Man> The man puts in countless hours of his spare time for free into writing this software. If you can't respect that and feel entitled to your request, you don't have to stay or use the software
20:20:23 <jralls> It is. And yours
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20:21:44 <p07r0457> I appreciate the time put into the software, but I do not appreciate anyone (regardless of how much time they think they put into something) being a jerk to me. To be 100% clear: No amount of volunteer time gives someone the right to be an asshole.
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20:22:28 <CDB-Man> File a reasonable feature request on the bug tracker. If enough users want the feature, it will be implemented. If not, there are other much more pressing and urgent issues to be looked at by limited volunteer hours
20:22:50 <p07r0457> That is what I was asking!! I was asking WHERE I can make a feature request.
20:23:00 <CDB-Man> I don't think he's being a jerk, you're just upset your request is rejected
20:23:25 <CDB-Man> Bugs.gnucash.org is the website
20:23:30 <p07r0457> Well I am entitled to my opinion, and I have a copy of the chat transcript so I'm happy to show that to others and am confident they would agree that he was a jerk
20:23:43 <jralls> p07r0457: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_I_really_want_feature_XYZ_but_GnuCash_doesn.27t_have_it._How_do_I_get_it_added.3F
20:23:53 <CDB-Man> Well, I read the transcript, and he doesn't read like a jerk to me
20:24:11 <p07r0457> and you're entitled to your opinion
20:25:02 <p07r0457> but consider that when you tell me that your opinion is more valid than mine (or infer such) then that's also the behavior of a jerk
20:25:26 <CDB-Man> Well, he is the one that would end up having to write it
20:25:38 <CDB-Man> Which... He doesn't have to
20:26:08 <CDB-Man> Unless you want to volunteer to code your own feature request
20:26:16 <jralls> p07r0457: But if it's something that you regularly enter you might consider https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Scheduled_Transactions.
20:26:49 <p07r0457> I will fork the repo and look into doing it myself.
20:26:59 <CDB-Man> Also a side note on transcripts... This entire channel is publicly logged on the GNUCash website
20:27:16 <CDB-Man> As mentioned in the channel subject
20:27:46 <CDB-Man> Indeed, fork and write your own version. Submit a pull request after, or not. Up to you!
20:27:49 <p07r0457> Well that must be embarrassing for them, then. I genuinely hope they have a better day, tomorrow, and don't take it out on the "next guy". Because "this guy" certainly didn't find it to be fun... or professional.
20:29:25 <CDB-Man> People are humans, don't expect perfection
20:29:33 <p07r0457> I expect far from perfection.
20:29:41 <p07r0457> But respect and professionalism is not too much to ask
20:30:24 <p07r0457> Telling that you think "not being a jerk" is tantamount to "perfection"
20:30:50 <CDB-Man> Well at this point, your message is already quite clear, so to talk about it further won't add much value
20:31:31 <CDB-Man> You can look at the suggestion on scheduled transactions, file a feature request, fork your own version, all of the above, or none of the above
20:33:18 <CDB-Man> Auto populate all fields on television copy is a basic feature of the software, to change that would be a bit more fundamental than "just adding a preference flag" I would think
20:33:48 <CDB-Man> (I'm no developer, just an accountant -- leave the development stuff to the pros)
20:34:06 <CDB-Man> Television > transaction*
20:34:10 <CDB-Man> Auto correct...
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20:55:25 <CDB-Man> well, off he goes, and I'm guessing likely the last time we will see him
20:56:12 <CDB-Man> i'm sure he'll figure it out
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22:10:37 <chris> CDB-Man legacy balance-sheet is back in place. my balancesheet is in experimental submenu.
22:11:44 <chris> issues still remain: (1) SPY=0 for some dates likely caused by unwated negation (2) multicol-balsheet doesn't calculate avg-cost exactly like legacy.
22:12:38 <chris> (1) looking at negation rules it seems to be from txn-commodity rather than acc-commodity e.g. when txn is input from CAD side rather than USD side.
22:13:29 <chris> (2) multicol balsheet, for average-cost, will create 1 exchange-fn for every date; this exchange-fn will have considered *all* splits but should conside only splits until report-column-date. to fix it will make it quite a bit slower.
22:14:59 <chris> I think this discussion getting rather convoluted. Won't wiki be a better place to annotate our meandering thought processes?
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22:33:29 <CDB-Man> whatever you think is best chris... I'm no expert in software dev
22:33:34 <CDB-Man> but i'm happy ot contribute
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22:47:00 <CDB-Man> as it stands, teh current ticket as basically a mailing list
22:47:04 <CDB-Man> so that works
22:47:19 <CDB-Man> live discussion on IRC, with the results of said duscussion posted to the ticket, if any
22:48:32 <CDB-Man> on an unrelated note, chris to do speak either of cantonese or vietnamese? guessing based on last name. i speak cantonese
22:53:55 <chris> neither... my family is from the hakka tribe, back then (100+yrs) from meizhou
22:56:12 <chris> they grew in Mauritius for decades...
22:57:17 <chris> you're a HK emigrate?
22:58:02 <CDB-Man> the parents were, full life in Canada for me but i still speak fluent cantonese
22:58:30 <CDB-Man> I didn't know that there's an expatriate group (if any chinese denomination0 in Maritiius
23:00:15 <chris> every corner of the world!
23:00:25 <CDB-Man> indeed
23:01:00 <CDB-Man> > "Sino-Mauritians from the Hakka and other Chinese sub-ethnic/linguistic groups number around three percent of Mauritian society." -- Wikipedia
23:08:06 <chris> gtg...
23:08:24 <chris> try the 2 commodity-utils.scm - they differ by negation only
23:08:46 <CDB-Man> "the two" -- are they posted on the ticket?
23:09:08 <CDB-Man> ah, 797796 you list poste
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