2020-06-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:07:49 <gour> morning
02:07:49 <gncbot> gour: Sent 15 weeks, 5 days, 21 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <fell> What is wrong with LANG hr? It is one of the most current and complete translations, we have.
02:10:57 <gour> i'm using combination of en_GB & hr_HR env vars in my locale. here is the output: https://paste.centos.org/view/984176fd using GC-3.10 under fc32 and selected Croatian kuna as my locale, but still I've to enter amounts as 12.34 instead of currency's 12,34 default one? of course, GC renders numbers the same way....
02:18:25 <gour> forgot to add that i'm using xfce
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08:49:39 <gjanssens> .
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10:30:45 <fell> gour, with your combination of LC_NUMERIC=hr_HR.utf-8 and LC_MONETARY="en_GB.utf8" i am not sure what to expect: "GBP 1.23" or "GBP 1,23".
10:31:17 <fell> But you can check the details with 'locale -ck LC_MONETARY'
10:33:20 <gour> fell: well, when running gnome, i was able to have same/similar setup...that could be the issue...let me logout and check
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10:35:57 <gour> fell: thanks a lot, setting LC_MONETARY fixed the issue :-)
10:36:12 <fell> welcome
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11:10:31 <gjanssens> warlord: I'm trying to get a Win10 VM up and running on my oVirt 4.2 instance. But I get stuck early in the installation because Windows appears not to find drivers.
11:11:37 <gjanssens> I have loaded the virtio-win iso (version 0.1.185 which appears to be recent) but it continues to tell me it can't find appropriate drivers
11:11:58 <gjanssens> Have you experienced this when you were setting up your Win10 VM for gnucash ?
11:12:45 <gjanssens> The installer is trying very hard to be unhelpful. It doesn't even tell me which driver it's looking for :(
11:14:19 <warlord> gjanssens, yeah. There are instructions
11:15:09 <gjanssens> Do you remember where ? The ovirt documentation seems to be outdated.
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11:27:39 <warlord> gjanssens, try https://getlabsdone.com/10-easy-steps-to-install-windows-10-on-linux-kvm/ ?
11:28:04 <warlord> Or https://www.ovirt.org/documentation/vmm-guide/chap-Installing_Windows_Virtual_Machines.html
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11:52:56 <gjanssens> I have been following the latter link but that's where I got stuck with :(
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11:53:34 <gjanssens> Oh well, time's up today. Will have to try again at a later time.
11:54:36 <gjanssens> warlord: that aside, what procedures did you follow to upgrade your oVirt setup ?
11:54:50 <gjanssens> I will have to do that as well one of these days
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12:04:49 <warlord> gjanssens, this weekend I only upgraded fro 4.3.8 to 4.3.10. first go into global maintenance mode, then on the engine: yum upgrade \*ovirt-setup\* ; engine-setup ; yum upgrade ; engine-setup ; reboot ... And then go out of global maintenance.
12:05:10 <warlord> Then, on the host, shutdown all the VMs (including the engine), yum upgrade, and then reboot the host.
12:05:42 <warlord> The process is similar to get from 4.2 -> 4.3 except you need to install the appropriate ovirt-release package first.
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12:06:34 <warlord> Upgrading from 4.3 to 4.4 ..... THAT will be much more difficult because it will also require an upgrade from 7.x to 8.x -- and right now there is not a good combined procedure. The current instructions basically say to reinstall.
12:08:36 <gjanssens> Ok. Will see when I can squeeze that in...
12:08:47 <gjanssens> Thanks for the pointers
12:10:45 <warlord> You're welcome.
12:10:57 <warlord> I honestly don't recall what I had to do it install windows. Let me see if I kept notes.
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12:12:47 <warlord> Hmm, can't seem to find notes about it.
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15:36:20 <gjanssens> @tell jralls As I didn't manage to install Windows 10 yet, I have been looking at the guile build failure on my Win 7 machine again.
15:36:20 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
15:36:56 <gjanssens> @tell jralls I checked configure results on my system with the build server's
15:36:56 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
15:37:37 <gjanssens> @tell jralls The difference is on my system the check for a working mktime fails while it succeeds on the build server
15:37:37 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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15:38:28 <gjanssens> @tell jralls No idea why though. I looked at the config log and apparently the config test for mktime returns 3 on my system and 0 on the build server
15:38:28 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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15:43:12 <gjanssens> @tell jralls again, no idea what that means exactly.
15:43:12 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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15:44:48 <gjanssens> @tell jralls However I have then refocussed on our patch set and I notice in patch 0001-Fix-build-on-Mingw.patch we add a line to include mktime.c in timegm.c
15:44:48 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
15:46:46 <gjanssens> @tell jralls If I remove that include, the build gets past the error. Don't know yet if it runs.
15:46:46 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
15:47:40 <gjanssens> @tell jralls So it looks like this include is ok if mktime is not to be replaced but a problem is mktime is to be replaced
15:47:40 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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15:48:23 <gjanssens> @tell jralls I haven't figured out yet why this inclusion happens. There's no mention of this in the patch details. Do you remember why ?
15:48:23 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
15:49:46 <CDB-Work> curious why you didnt just tag jralls_afk instead of several messages, as he'll see the highlights eventually
15:52:20 <gjanssens> CDB-Work: it's just a habit. When he's afk, I tend to post messages for him so they'll pop up when he speaks up again...
15:52:46 <gjanssens> Forcing my spot in his priority queue perhaps ? ;D
15:53:28 <CDB-Work> Hmm, well that's certainly one way to do it
15:53:57 <gjanssens> @tell jralls Actually the patch comment does mention it. Don't know how I overlooked that. But it looks like the inclusion should only happen if mktime is not to be replaced. It breaks the build in the other case.
15:53:57 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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16:32:38 <thenori> Hi everyone! I'm new around here. Could someone possibly walk me through the process of connecting all the wires once I import a transaction log?
16:34:40 <thenori> I'm using the 'basic checkbook' template right now. I imported my transaction log to the assets/checking_account book. I want to divide those transactions between 'expenses' and 'income' and then categorize my expenses.
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16:59:11 <thenori> I've been reading the docs, I just still don't fully understand how I'm supposed to interact with the non-bank accounts. If I just copy the transactions, they'd be listed twice.
17:03:00 <frakturfreak> you might want to create subaccounts and change the non-bank accounts accordingly
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17:05:31 <thenori> 'Income' and 'Expenses' aren't permitted as subaccounts, though.
17:10:27 <warlord> thenori, you're missing the concept of double-entry accounting. Every transaction touches at least two accounts, a credit account and a debit account.
17:10:43 <thenori> Yes. I just figured out split transactions.
17:10:51 <warlord> So when you go to the grocery store and pay cash for food, that's a credit to Assets:Cash and a debit to Expenses:Groceries. ONE transaction.
17:10:56 <thenori> Is there a way to select multiple transactions for the same split?
17:11:07 <warlord> You don't need to "split" the transaction for that; you just use the "Transfer account" in basic ledger mode.
17:11:15 <thenori> Transfer account?
17:11:21 <warlord> That doesn't make sense.
17:11:29 <warlord> You can have multiple splits in one transaction.
17:11:43 <warlord> But a single split belongs to only one transaction
17:12:01 <warlord> The transfer account is one of the columns in your register.
17:12:12 <warlord> thenori, please, go read the Tutorial Guide, it's very informative.
17:12:32 <thenori> How does 'Transfer account' work? I don't see it as a column. I've got the documentation open :C
17:13:21 <warlord> Umm.. Register Columns are Date | Num | Deccription | Transfer | R | ....
17:14:57 <warlord> As for how it works, it is the "far" account in a basic, two-split transaction. So say you have the Assets:Cash account register opened, for that Grocery bill you'd put Expenses:Groceries into the Transfer (account) column
17:15:18 <warlord> That would credit Cash and Debit Expense in a balanced way.
17:16:10 <thenori> Okay. The 'transfer' column is where I was doing the 'split' before.
17:17:12 <thenori> I imported a lot of transactions, though. Is there a way I can avoid entering them one-at-a-time?
17:17:26 <warlord> Properly assign them during the import.
17:17:36 <warlord> What import method/protocol did you use?
17:18:49 <thenori> My bank gave me csv. I didn't see any account assignment options during the import. I'd be happy to re-import if it did all that stuff for me. I saw it say it'd give me a step to assign categories, but that never showed up.
17:20:04 <warlord> It's kind of hidden in the csv import matcher... You have to double-click on the right and assign accounts.
17:20:14 <thenori> I say 'did all that stuff' but I just mean the transfer gui right now wants me to type in the amount +- too. I'll try that :)
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17:21:56 <thenori> Okay! So the page with all the yellow.
17:22:27 <thenori> Then I select the transactions and right click to assign the accounts.
17:22:45 <thenori> Awesome! Thanks so much :)
17:23:24 <gjanssens> @tell jralls The build now continues until I get to module 'gnucash-git' (running TARGET=gnucash-master). Bails out because it can't find a valid webkitgtk. Shouldn't either setup-mingw64.ps1 or the jhbuild run install this for me ?
17:23:24 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
17:23:32 <thenori> I've been homeless & destitute for eight years and I just got a job paying six digits with benefits so I'm a total scrub as far as finances.
17:23:46 <gjanssens> And that's all I have for this evening. Time to take a nap.
17:24:58 <warlord> thenori, congrats on the job!!
17:25:25 <thenori> Thanks :D
17:26:01 <thenori> I'm really excited.
17:27:18 <warlord> As we like to say, Mazel Tov!
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18:47:08 <fell> jralls_afk, https://www.facebook.com/GnuCash/ is missing 3.9. BTW we did not document it in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Release_Process#Promotion.
18:47:26 <fell> 3.904
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