2020-06-05 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:17:32 <chris> gjanssens: I don't mind the cli structure at all
08:19:11 <chris> jralls: I guess to run report on open books will mean a one-liner from SESSION_NORMAL_OPEN to SESSION_READ_ONLY and warlord will be happy
08:49:30 <warlord> chris, indeed. For a report run there is no reason to open a book read-write ever. It's fine to always open read_only.
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08:57:48 <warlord> gjanssens, fell, jralls -- I didn't get to the ovirt engine update last night as planned (wife had me building and installing bookshelves until 11pm). Hopefully I can get to it today.
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09:47:06 <chris> gjanssens: do you know a swigged gnc equivalent to guile's (major-version) and (major-version)? could be useful to create good deprecation-warnings...
09:48:00 <chris> oh, gnc_version()
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10:21:38 <gjanssens> chris: :)
10:21:38 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 16 hours and 39 minutes ago: <fell> You commented today on a bug, which in one stage wanted call unposted invoices as quotes, but I believe I fond a better term.
10:21:40 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 16 hours and 34 minutes ago: <fell> NASDAQ:USD is obvisious different from currency:USD.
10:22:53 <warlord> gjanssens, FYI, in case you didn't see it yesterday, I'm the one who first implemented GncOrder. It was part of the original biz features. It was removed from the UI because it wasn't feature-complete.
10:24:51 <gjanssens> warlord: I did see, but thanks for restating this.
10:25:21 <gjanssens> The fact that you did the first implementation gives me good confidence actually it's a good base to work from :)
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10:27:21 * warlord blushes
10:27:24 <warlord> Thank you
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10:31:53 <gjanssens> fell: "I am against dropping gnc-fq*. Testing possible combinations of source and ticker-symbol, CUSIP, ISIN, appendix would be annoying with gnucash-cli."
10:32:09 <gjanssens> Why would that be more annoying with gnucash-cli ?
10:33:37 <fell> Longer load time
10:34:24 <gjanssens> Have you timed it?
10:34:31 <fell> No
10:34:53 <gjanssens> So let's do that before we drop gnc-fq-*
10:35:12 <gjanssens> We can't yet, because I haven't written the necessary parts in gnucash-cli yet
10:35:19 <gjanssens> But we'll keep it in mind.
10:35:36 <fell> OK
10:35:43 <gjanssens> Just fyi, gnucash-cli is very light-weight.
10:35:56 <gjanssens> It will only load what it needs for the command requested.
10:36:54 <gjanssens> And even gnucash itself is loading much faster for the 4.x series. What takes most of the time is loading the data file now.
10:37:23 <gjanssens> That would not happen for "--quotes check"
10:37:46 <fell> So dump should be possible without datafile
10:37:47 <gjanssens> But still, we'll just profile in due time.
10:38:03 <gjanssens> For sure
10:38:07 <chris> it's easy to add a dry-run? parameter like my cli-report
10:39:06 <chris> otherwise invalid cli-report arguments would load datafile before erroring out
10:39:25 <gjanssens> It should be possible to set "alias gnc-fq-dump='gnucash-cli --quotes dump' " and it should behave identically
10:39:28 <gjanssens> That's the plan
10:39:44 <gjanssens> Mind you I don't plan this for 4.0 as we are in feature freeze.
10:40:30 <gjanssens> I just wanted to prepare the command line syntax to allow for this in the future without having to then deprecate poor choices we might make now.
10:41:57 <gjanssens> Using the structure '--quotes <subcommand', '--reports <subcomand>' will allow for extensions in the future while keeping the option list well structured
10:42:33 <fell> Also the -v flag is useful to find errors e.g. by website changes.
10:43:33 <fell> or make -v the default and us -q for the short form
10:45:07 <gjanssens> We should at least support both forms. I don't know which one makes most sense as a default.
10:48:04 <fell> When newbies report errors, I wish -v were defauft. But in the normal procress -q would be sufficient.
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12:42:15 <warlord> gjanssens, jralls, fell -- any of you on the win32 builder console right now?
12:42:26 <jralls> Not me.
12:42:52 <gjanssens> Nope
12:44:41 <warlord> cool. I'm going to bounce the ovirt engine VM shortly.
12:44:52 <jralls> OK.
12:44:54 <gjanssens> A question for our native English speakers: is 'running a report' common English or a gnucash idiom ? It sounds a bit odd to me
12:45:03 <gjanssens> I'd expect "generating a report" and running code.
12:45:27 <warlord> Upgrading from 4.3.x to 4.4 is going to be a pain. It will require an upgrade to EL8, which probably means a re-install and not an in-place yum/dnf upgrade path. Not sure how I'm going to handle that.
12:45:40 <warlord> gjanssens, yes, that is common usage.
12:45:47 <fell> no
12:45:58 <warlord> Both are "correct".
12:45:58 <fell> OK
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12:46:29 <gjanssens> Ok, then '--report run' is a nice and short command to have
12:47:07 <gjanssens> jralls: I came up with a useful extra command in the report context: show or list
12:47:23 <gjanssens> This would give a list of reports available for running
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12:47:55 <gjanssens> Another potentially interesting one could be 'details' which would output the options set for a given report.
12:47:55 <fell> I would expect "show" report or see report as a verb?
12:48:37 <jralls> gjanssens It already prints a list if you give it a name that doesn't exist, but an explicit command would be nicer.
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12:48:55 <gjanssens> I'm not fully decided yet whether '--report' or '--reports' would be the better context selector
12:49:00 <warlord> I like "list" to list the reports.
12:49:09 <warlord> I would expect "show" to give details about a specific report.
12:49:28 <gjanssens> That would equally be a good use of the terms
12:49:35 <warlord> I think "--report" ... unless you're going to operate on multiple reports at once?
12:49:41 <jralls> I'm with warlord there.
12:49:57 <gjanssens> Ok, though '--report list' is a bit odd, no ?
12:50:12 <jralls> Not really.
12:50:21 <warlord> The English would, of course, be "list reports"
12:50:30 <warlord> but "give me a report list" is also valid English
12:51:03 <gjanssens> Right. In this context "--report" means "What follows will be a report context related command"
12:51:14 <warlord> right
12:51:24 <gjanssens> But I'm fine with either, so if '--report' works well, I'll just keep that.
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12:51:57 <warlord> It's also 1 character shorter :)
12:53:32 <fell> should the base syntax not different today for CLIs? gnucash-cli [command [option]*]*?
12:55:43 <gjanssens> fell: do you mean 'gnucash-cli quotes --add' rather than 'gnucash-cli --quotes add' ?
12:55:56 <fell> yes
12:56:29 <jralls> Square braces usually mean optional in a manpage synopsis, so gnucash-cli command subcommand [options] ...
12:56:39 <gjanssens> Both variants exist. The advantage of the latter is this can be shortened to 'gnucash-cli -Q add', which is not possible with the former
12:56:42 <fell> more like git
12:57:06 <fell> good point
12:57:12 <gjanssens> But both can work for me.
12:57:25 <gjanssens> And likely your variant will be easier to parse in code.
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12:59:10 <jralls> And speaking of manpages, gnucash-cli needs documenting.
13:02:00 <fell> Whithout a command ashell is opened. ;-)
13:02:31 <jralls> Oh, let's not go there!
13:06:42 <fell> I see already the feature request: Allow "add transacion credit accout A amount debit account B"
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13:15:29 <jralls> Patches welcome. ;->
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14:07:44 <warlord> fell, LOL
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14:26:52 <warlord> jralls, gjanssens, fell -- engine reboot processing complete. Engine has been updated to EL7.8 and ovirt 4.3.10. Host server will be done Sunday morning.
14:27:08 <jralls> Yay.
14:29:36 <gjanssens> Good!
14:32:39 <warlord> I expect this to be my last upgrade on the server for a while; there is no expectation of a 4.3.11.
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14:36:12 <gjanssens> jralls: first version of the gnucash-cli man page has been submitted. It can certainly be improved but my time for today was up.
14:37:31 <jralls> gjanssens, OK. By submitted I guess you mean pushed. Should it also be described in the T&CG?
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14:38:13 <jralls> Maybe just "There's a command line mode as well, for more info use `man gnucash-cli` at the command line.
14:38:17 <jralls> "
14:39:58 <gjanssens> Yes, I meant pushed. Where in the T&GC would you add that line ?
14:42:16 <jralls> Good question. We don't say anywhere how to start GnuCash.
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14:51:23 <gjanssens> Looks like a storm is brewing on the change in default column widths... sigh
14:51:58 <jralls> I guess we could add a 1.6 Running GnuCash to the Overview. Wouldn't hurt to expand on Installation a bit either. https://www.wiki.gnucash.org/download.phtml doesn't have any installation instructions at all, never mind detailed ones.
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14:54:00 <jralls> Yeah, no real surprise considering.
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14:55:12 <jralls> I'd be pretty ticked if I'd put a lot of effort into customizing a bunch of account registers only to find that the new version allows only one config per account type.
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16:47:00 <gjanssens> jralls: yeah, give users too much freedom and it will bite you eventually...
16:48:19 <Guest74> Hello, I need to compare two sets off accounts side by side. Is it possible to open two data files in GnuCash side by side?
16:49:06 <gjanssens> So far it's mostly David T that's still really agitated. From past experiences he can be fairly picky on details. So yes, I can see this would be frustrating for him.
16:49:51 <gjanssens> Guest74: you can, but not directly from within gnucash. You have to start the gnucash application twice and then open a different data file in each
16:50:16 <jralls> He seems to have calmed down after you told him how to set the defaults.
16:51:36 <Guest74> @gjanssens, thank you so so so much! You are a life saver! I know what to do now. Thank you so much! You saved me a lot of time!
16:51:36 <gncbot> Guest74: Error: "gjanssens," is not a valid command.
16:51:46 <Guest74> Thank you so so so much! You are a life saver! I know what to do now. Thank you so much! You saved me a lot of time!
16:51:56 <gjanssens> jralls: That was David Reiser
16:52:03 <gjanssens> Confusing eh :)
16:52:17 <gjanssens> Guest74: you're welcome
16:52:30 <Guest74> :-)
16:53:31 <gjanssens> And with that it's my time to sign off.
16:53:34 <gjanssens> Good night!
16:53:50 <Guest74> Good night!
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