2020-05-24 GnuCash IRC logs
00:02:30 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
00:18:59 *** jervin has quit IRC
00:19:33 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
01:06:35 *** aarktica has joined #gnucash
01:06:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v aarktica
01:08:10 <aarktica> I recently upgraded gnucash, and discovered that whenever I import transactions for any previously defined accounts, the transactions are sent to the 'Stock' register. There is no visible option to fix this account assingment during the transfer.
01:08:15 <aarktica> How can I fix this issue?
01:26:19 *** Mechtilde has joined #gnucash
01:28:16 *** fell has quit IRC
01:29:36 *** fell has joined #gnucash
01:29:36 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o fell
01:30:03 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
01:43:17 *** TownsendHardware has joined #gnucash
01:47:18 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
01:49:43 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
01:49:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
01:54:30 *** Han has joined #gnucash
01:55:42 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
02:36:08 *** angel has joined #gnucash
02:51:09 *** jervin has quit IRC
02:51:42 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
02:52:58 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
02:52:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
02:57:57 *** codesmyt_ has joined #gnucash
02:59:25 *** codesmythe has quit IRC
03:04:08 *** suukim has joined #gnucash
03:14:37 *** Han has quit IRC
03:28:17 *** marusich has joined #gnucash
03:28:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v marusich
03:30:37 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
03:31:16 *** aminbegood has quit IRC
04:01:20 *** jervin1 has joined #gnucash
04:01:47 *** jervin has quit IRC
04:01:47 *** jervin1 is now known as jervin
04:21:21 *** angel has quit IRC
04:22:34 *** angel has joined #gnucash
04:46:51 *** User_ has joined #gnucash
04:47:08 *** jtrh has quit IRC
04:49:19 *** Mechtilde has quit IRC
04:58:14 *** Mechtilde has joined #gnucash
05:00:35 *** Han has joined #gnucash
05:08:42 *** angel has quit IRC
05:50:58 *** User_ has quit IRC
05:59:11 *** suukim has quit IRC
06:07:17 *** suukim has joined #gnucash
06:59:19 *** Unhammer has quit IRC
07:11:50 *** Unhammer has joined #gnucash
07:45:22 <chris> @tell gjanssens and jralls - please check income piechart - any objection to removing the dubious 'averaging period' option?
07:45:22 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
08:00:40 *** Aussie_matt has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** Han has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** jervin has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** bertbob has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** lmat has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** omnireq has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** ECDHE_RSA_AES256 has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** waeking has quit IRC
08:37:32 *** ramontjunior has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** warlord has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** miklcct has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** jralls has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** phebus has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** Derperperd has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** Cork has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** gbear605_ has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** suial has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** yyoshino has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** suukim has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** marusich has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** aarktica has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** PowaBanga has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** CDB-Man_ has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** JayC has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** crossan007 has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** zoid has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** psmst has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** akv has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** g5pw has quit IRC
08:37:33 *** lagertonne has quit IRC
08:37:35 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
08:37:37 *** lmat has joined #gnucash
08:37:39 *** miklcct has joined #gnucash
08:37:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v miklcct
08:37:40 *** yyoshino has joined #gnucash
08:37:40 *** ramontjunior has joined #gnucash
08:37:45 *** Han has joined #gnucash
08:37:45 *** warlord has joined #gnucash
08:37:48 *** omnireq has joined #gnucash
08:37:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v omnireq
08:37:58 *** waeking has joined #gnucash
08:37:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v waeking
08:38:11 *** phebus has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** gbear605 has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** suial has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** ecdhe has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** suukim has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** marusich has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** aarktica has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** PowaBanga has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** CDB-Man_ has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** JayC has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** zoid has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** psmst has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** akv has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** g5pw has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** lagertonne has joined #gnucash
08:38:11 *** irc.eagle.y.se sets mode: +vvvvvv marusich aarktica CDB-Man_ JayC zoid g5pw
08:38:12 *** crossan007_ has joined #gnucash
08:38:34 *** bertbob has joined #gnucash
08:38:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v bertbob
08:38:54 *** jralls has joined #gnucash
08:38:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jralls
08:39:46 *** Cork has joined #gnucash
09:01:11 *** User_ has joined #gnucash
09:06:38 *** aarktica has quit IRC
09:07:28 *** aminbegood has joined #gnucash
09:25:43 *** chris_ has joined #gnucash
09:26:40 *** chris has quit IRC
09:35:12 *** chris_ is now known as chris
09:49:25 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
10:12:08 *** aminbegood has quit IRC
10:17:35 *** o01eg has joined #gnucash
10:24:21 *** suukim has quit IRC
10:30:31 *** Anubis169 has joined #gnucash
10:35:46 *** Gerd has quit IRC
10:35:51 <Anubis169> Hiya :) Quickie issue re: multiple currencies. I'm in UK and I'm paying from an intermediary assets account I made for foreign transactions in USD, into an expenses account in GBP... now I can record the payments just fine with the exchange rate, and the total in GBP will display right (£5.12), but the negative amount in USD should be $5.99 and not the -$26.22 it's displaying in the totals column :S
10:36:05 <Anubis169> Any clue what could be going on?
10:36:41 <Anubis169> (currently on Linux Mint 19.3 using GnuCash 3.10+(2020-04-11) )
10:41:14 *** Gerd has joined #gnucash
10:43:02 <Anubis169> if my explanation sucked, i can provide screenshots if needed :)
10:49:24 <chris> screenshots pls
11:05:56 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
11:06:36 <chris> are you sure you entered amounts in the right column?
11:36:46 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
11:36:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
11:39:22 *** FH_thecat has joined #gnucash
11:53:15 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
12:07:06 <Anubis169> back, sorry family stuff happened
12:08:06 <Anubis169> 2sec
12:25:58 <Anubis169> ...
12:26:16 <Anubis169> ok now i'm doing the exact same steps, and it's displaying properly for some reason :/
12:26:43 *** omnireq has quit IRC
12:27:26 <Anubis169> yay i guess?
12:27:41 *** omnireq has joined #gnucash
12:27:41 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v omnireq
12:32:12 *** fabior has joined #gnucash
12:43:17 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
13:20:44 <jralls> chris, why do you think it dubious?
13:22:11 <jralls> Anubis169: Don't you hate it when that happens?
13:22:49 <Anubis169> I got the screenies and everything, but it seems to be workin' ok now
13:23:11 <jralls> You have a screenshot of it messed up?
13:23:45 <jralls> Any idea of what you might have changed?
13:31:16 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
13:33:41 *** sbluhm has joined #gnucash
13:33:41 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v sbluhm
13:51:35 *** keiffer has joined #gnucash
13:54:46 *** fabior has quit IRC
13:59:18 *** User_ has quit IRC
14:15:56 *** fabior has joined #gnucash
14:16:18 *** omnireq has quit IRC
14:18:53 *** omnireq has joined #gnucash
14:18:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v omnireq
14:23:30 *** frakturfreak has joined #gnucash
14:23:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v frakturfreak
14:24:55 *** fabior has quit IRC
14:25:26 <Anubis169> not entirely sure
14:25:45 <Anubis169> it's possible my mouse may have interfered with something since it's started clicking by itself
14:26:15 <Anubis169> altering the "something over something" exchange rate equation
14:26:41 <Anubis169> sec, ima try and do it via keyboard only
15:16:10 *** Remi has joined #gnucash
15:20:29 *** quazgar has joined #gnucash
15:28:07 *** jervin has quit IRC
15:30:14 *** Remi has quit IRC
15:45:08 *** whidgle has joined #gnucash
15:45:50 *** whidgle has quit IRC
15:46:17 *** RemiM has joined #gnucash
15:51:50 *** Mechtilde has quit IRC
15:55:51 <RemiM> Hi. Great job! To reach the next level and being one of the (or maybe THE) easiest accounting programm to use, I think the frontend UI should be review (as suggest in detail in Bugzilla 792218). To reach a large amount of people, the UI msut be intuitive and friendly user. Is someone plane to work on this? As a user, it is very important!
15:56:32 *** User_ has joined #gnucash
15:58:55 *** Han has quit IRC
16:03:29 *** FH_thecat has quit IRC
16:10:47 <jralls> RemiM: Not happening for two reasons: First, we have at least thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of users who are accustomed to the current UI. They will be very unhappy if we were to make a radical change. Heck, they complain when we make even small changes.
16:16:19 <jralls> RemiM: Second, there are years of code cleanup that must be done to make any substantial changes to the UI: The business code and UI code have become intermixed over the years and we have to separate them before we can make UI changes without breaking function.
16:20:41 <jralls> fell Can you think of any reason to keep https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/doc/README.translator.txt or https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/doc/TRANSLATION_HOWTO? They haven't been updated aside from spelling and URI fixes in over 15 years.
16:26:46 <RemiM> Thank's for the answer. Having use an study a lot of programs (as user...), I can understand the reaction of historic users. However (and with respect to what it means on the backend) I am 100% sure that it could be a good change. I invite you to look at Bugzilla and keep it in mind for the futur if it make sence for you too... Regards
16:28:35 <jralls> I looked at your bug. In fact I just closed it as "won't fix", for the reasons I just gave, plus that it would require a ground-up rewrite of GnuCash. I'll add a personal viewpoint: It's ridiculous.
16:29:11 *** sbluhm has quit IRC
16:29:41 <jralls> RemiM: Do you have an online resumé of your UI design experience?
16:36:40 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
16:36:45 <RemiM> With respect, I don't want to turn a constructive discussion to personnal matters... I do have a few decades of experience in many field of design. But it does not matter. An idea can be good or not. An it happen that a good idea is not possible for any reason.
16:43:09 <jralls> It's possible that a good idea is impossible, but I'm curious about what motivated such a strange UI design.
16:46:42 <RemiM> In fact, it depends on the way you look at it. If you look at the overall UI, it is easy to click at the right place even if you see the programm for the first time. If you think as a user, it is very intuitive when you use it.
16:47:27 <RemiM> You need to learn anything to get at the right place...
16:47:58 *** aminbegood has joined #gnucash
16:48:26 <jralls> That's not what I meant. It's strange because I've not seen any other program that looks like that.
16:48:43 <RemiM> In my point of view, Accumba is the worst of everyone base on that.
16:48:51 <jralls> Accumba?
16:49:40 <RemiM> This is on of the most use program here. And I cannot understand why. It is increadible...
16:50:35 <jralls> Do you mean https://www.acomba.com/en/?
16:50:40 <RemiM> Express account is a programm that looks a bit like what I propose
16:51:30 <RemiM> Sage is close and it is an internationel accounting solution
16:52:05 <RemiM> In my point of view, what I show you is the easiest of all for the user.
16:52:40 <RemiM> It is very intuitive (always with respect of what it represent for the backend).
16:54:33 *** leolein has quit IRC
16:54:49 <RemiM> But I am not sure it is such a big change on the back end because I only see it as a different way to navigate without change what is happenning on the backend...
16:55:10 *** leolein has joined #gnucash
16:55:10 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v leolein
16:56:07 <jralls> Sage screenshots look a lot like GnuCash. Here's the Express account front end screenshot on their website: https://www.nchsoftware.com/accounting/screenshots/mac/main.jpg
16:56:57 <jralls> It looks like the widely reviled Microsoft "Ribbon" layout.
16:57:23 <jralls> It doesn't look at all like your PDF.
17:01:14 <jralls> Oh, I guess there's a difference from the ribbon layout, because it's just taking up the whole screen with a menu. The ribbon is an overdone toolbar over your work, but this screenshot doesn't have any workspace.
17:01:54 <RemiM> The way it looks is not reaaly important... What I like is the way we can navigate to get to the right place a more intuitive way. Look at it overall : The navigation, the Maintenance and Report and the Action all on the same screen but organise more intuitivly for the user
17:04:06 <jralls> Balls. It's just a menu that changes the toolbar instead of displaying the choices as plain text.
17:04:43 *** frakturfreak has quit IRC
17:07:31 *** User_ has quit IRC
17:09:19 <RemiM> Let's say that the actual Top Menu does not change. A new Home Page should be only what I think an easiest way the navigate. In the left bottow corner is a Navigation section (Purchase, Sales, Bank, etc), over this section is the associated Maintenance and reports (new customer, sales, etc) ...
17:10:01 <RemiM> ...and at the right is the associated Actions (Bill, Payment, etc)
17:10:20 <jralls> So using up the whole screen with different ways to present the menu and no space left to do any work.
17:11:34 <RemiM> The work is done on the page that appears when you make on choise. As you do it now when a new tab shows up
17:12:03 <RemiM> ..a choice...
17:12:21 <jralls> Yeah, don't worry about spelling.
17:12:30 <RemiM> Thank's
17:13:25 <jralls> So you're just suggesting a new navigation page, maybe replacing the Accounts page?
17:13:34 <RemiM> Right
17:13:42 <RemiM> More intuitive
17:14:58 <RemiM> If you show the page to someone who don't know anything about accounting and you ask him where he think to click to add a bill or a transaction, he must click at the right place
17:15:02 <jralls> How is it more intuitive? It seems mostly repetitive.
17:16:14 <RemiM> Not really. For exemple, it is not intuitive to click on an account to write a transaction.
17:18:35 <RemiM> It is more intuitive to go on Sales to add a bill than go on Business and another sub-menu
17:19:18 <jralls> You don't. You click on an account to open the register for that account. If you want to create a transaction without opening an account pick Actions>Transfer from the menu.
17:19:30 <RemiM> What I show you is the easiest I have seen...
17:19:56 <jralls> Is it the easiest because it's what you learned first?
17:21:10 <jralls> My point being that "easiest" is personal, based on experience. So is intuition.
17:21:58 <RemiM> No. I use a lot of them and I ask people knowing nothing at all where they thing to click for a giving action and this one comes first. Really ahead of the others.
17:22:30 *** quazgar has quit IRC
17:25:59 *** keiffer has quit IRC
17:28:04 <jralls> Which one? Like I said, it's repetetive. There's a general menu (which I suppose would be the current menu bar). There's a contextual window (the green stripe), a contextual menu, contextual navigation, and a big panel full of icons that I guess depends on which item is selected in the contextual navigation panel.
17:29:22 <jralls> I guess if you set it up so that there's a big "make a transaction" button in the action panel and then ask a passerby what they'd click to make a transaction nearly all will point at the button. That doesn't demonstrate anything.
17:31:14 <jralls> All of the UI research I've seen says that for real users having selection changing by context is confusing for all but the simplest tasks. That's why menu bars have been around for so long.
17:31:19 <jralls> BRB
17:34:49 <RemiM> Menu bar stays in all cases. Home page is only a different way to navigate. Pictures shows what happen when you navigate from Purchases, Bank, Project, Journal, Sales, etc
17:36:27 <RemiM> For exemple, when you click on Purchase (Achats), you see the Maintenance, the Reports (upper left) and the Actions (right side)
17:37:24 *** jervin1 has joined #gnucash
17:37:29 <RemiM> I think it is more intuitive because it is directly associate with what the user have in its head at the first place : Purchase
17:37:47 *** jervin has quit IRC
17:37:47 *** jervin1 is now known as jervin
17:39:49 <jralls> With the minor problem that GnuCash doesn't do any of those things.
17:40:54 <RemiM> What to do and doing things are sometimes bad friends... :)
17:41:37 <jralls> No, I mean that GnuCash doesn't support shopping, cost accounting, inventory...
17:42:30 <RemiM> Ho sorry! gnuCash doest exactly the right thing. I am anly speaking about the way to navigate.
17:43:05 <RemiM> No need for anything else
17:43:40 <RemiM> For me, accounting is not a CRM
17:44:03 <RemiM> It's accounting. That's it!
17:44:11 <jralls> CRM? Customer Relations Manager like Salesoforce.com?
17:44:26 <RemiM> This an any global soltion...
17:44:57 <RemiM> CRM being a part of it
17:46:47 <jralls> We barely have the person-hours to do basic accounting. Those looking for global solutions need to look somewhere else.
17:47:04 <RemiM> I agree 100%
17:47:41 <RemiM> And I like what you have done. This is why I am talking with you.
17:48:35 <RemiM> You did well
17:52:24 <RemiM> I would like you to think this way regarding the intuitive thing : What a user think first when he open an accounting program with a need? What will he look at first is he have a in hean a bill, an invoice, or a transaction to write to the Journal? If he look at the home page, what should come first in mind to click if he wants a Sales report or a Bilan?
17:52:25 <jralls> Maybe you should try again with a bit more concrete and practical proposal. There's a UI design tool for the Gtk toolkit (and we're stuck with that for the next couple of major releases): https://glade.gnome.org/. Why don't you use that to create a mockup of what you're proposing?
17:53:44 <RemiM> I will look at it. But I have a lot to do on my side. This is why I talking with you on Sunday ;)
17:54:39 <RemiM> But I appreciate your advise
17:55:20 <jralls> We all have a lot to do. We're all volunteers here. We don't at present have anyone much interested in overall UI design, never mind with any real experience at it outside of the FOSS projects we work on.
17:56:28 <RemiM> I can understand. And, between us, UI is not the sexiest thing to take care of for a programmer...
17:56:42 <jralls> So there are two major obstacles: I still don't understand what you're proposing and even if I did I wouldn't have time to do it.
17:56:52 <RemiM> But UI is the most important thing for the user!
17:58:15 <RemiM> I will try to better explain myself in the futur. Thank's for your time. I appreciate it!
17:58:15 <jralls> Up to a point, after which the underlying functionality takes over. I'll get back to that in a moment.
17:59:44 <jralls> The main reason for you to do a mock up in Glade is that it will communicate far more concretely than your drawings what you're trying to do. You can use the actual GnuCash menu items.
18:00:31 <RemiM> Of course. That's what I understand from your advise.
18:00:49 <jralls> Another almost as important goal is that someone's going to have to do it anyway, and if you get it close then it will be much less work to wire it into the existing code, greatly increasing the odds that it actually gets done.
18:01:42 <RemiM> The question is : How you propose to re-organize the actual navigation without adding or changing anything else?
18:02:25 <RemiM> I agree. And I certainly would like to help.à
18:02:45 <jralls> As for the importance of the UI: It's helpful for a new user if the UI makes it easy to discover what they want to do, but after a few weeks that user isn't so new any more and it's more important that the UI isn't cumbersome or intrusive.
18:03:10 *** JayC has quit IRC
18:03:42 <RemiM> Right. It must be friendly user and efficeint
18:04:30 <RemiM> No matter if you are new or old user
18:05:48 <RemiM> Basicly, you have to click somewhere to reach your goal anyway. The point is, how to do it the best way for anyone.
18:06:54 *** jervin has quit IRC
18:07:04 <RemiM> I have to go jralls. I will note your advise. Is it something else I can say or listen to?
18:07:19 <jralls> No, you don't have to click. A quite popular aspect of GnuCash's UI is that you can get a lot done from the keyboard.
18:08:12 <RemiM> This function will stay anyway...
18:08:24 <jralls> It would be best to discuss this--at great length--with the users and other developers on the mailing lists. I think https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-devel wpuld be teh better place to start.
18:08:48 <RemiM> Fine. Thank you.
18:09:12 <RemiM> Something else?
18:09:15 <jralls> Good day!
18:09:32 <jralls> Or maybe for you, good night...
18:09:36 <RemiM> You too. And thank's again for your precious time!
18:09:48 <RemiM> :)
18:15:09 *** RemiM has quit IRC
18:15:30 <Simon> I couldn't find a Bugzilla entry with that ID
18:16:14 <jralls> Simon, do you mean RemiM's bug?
18:16:16 <Simon> yes
18:16:58 <jralls> It's https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797718
18:17:33 *** aminbegood has quit IRC
18:17:42 *** JayC has joined #gnucash
18:17:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v JayC
18:21:54 <Simon> looks more like they really want GnuCash to look like some other app they use than any particular real improvement to the UI design
18:22:34 <jralls> That was my initial impression as well.
18:23:20 <jralls> But read the whole discussion starting around 2 1/2 hours ago.
18:23:36 <Simon> the main problem I have with the UI is lack of undo/redo within the context of individual text boxes, and the size of the account notes box being too small (but I'm still on 2.6 so I don't know if 3.10 is better)
18:25:21 <Simon> I did; for someone who claims to have experience in design I don't think they have experience in UI design or they'd be able to mock-up something without copying what is likely to be either an old version of a commercial application or one stuck with stagnating Windows XP UI because they don't have the resource to update
18:25:22 <Simon> it...
18:25:28 <jralls> No change in that regard.
18:27:24 <jralls> Do you mean the account notes box in the Edit Account Dialog?
18:28:55 <Simon> yes
18:29:16 <Simon> I use it to keep a record of interest rate changes, and 4 lines is not enough these days
18:29:44 <jralls> You know that it scrolls, right?
18:30:13 <Simon> yes it scrolls but it should expand somewhat relative to the window size,
18:30:26 <Simon> I can make the the Parent Account area huge but the Notes only grow horizontally
18:31:45 <jralls> Yes, the parent account area is what has the expandable bit set on it, like the description field in register. I don't know offhand how hard it would be to make the text view resizable.
18:32:25 <Simon> I would probably make the Parent Account bit a separate dialog for existing accounts
18:33:05 <Simon> although for a new account it is useful to not have to do that, and I suppose I sometimes want to reparent a lot of accounts
18:33:09 <Simon> there's no easy answer :/
18:33:34 *** julian20 has joined #gnucash
18:33:45 <jralls> Never, especially with UI. And any time you change anything you can be sure that somebody will scream.
18:34:53 <julian20> hey there, nice evening :D
18:34:58 <julian20> is this a place where I can ask questions regarding the usage aka support?
18:35:45 <jralls> Depends. If they're complicated or need a lot of explanation then the gnucash-user mailing list is better.
18:36:05 <julian20> rather short
18:36:12 <jralls> OK.
18:36:27 <julian20> I'm using gnucash as a budget book
18:37:54 <julian20> and I am searching for a report that gives me the average expenses from the start of me tracking the expenses till each month: e.g. #1: 1-1; #2: 1-2; #1-3; ...
18:38:08 <julian20> *#3: 1-3
18:38:15 <julian20> couldn't find that yet
18:38:25 <Simon> something to stop me putting interest transactions in the wrong tax year would be nice, but probably very complicated (especially around duplicating of transactions)
18:39:02 <jralls> The budget report might not exist. chris, are you here?
18:39:44 <julian20> what a bummer. Well is there an easy way to programm it? (I'm a developer)
18:41:17 <jralls> How's your Scheme? https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
18:43:49 *** omnireq has quit IRC
18:44:10 <julian20> well, can't be too hard. Thanks ^^ I'll look into it. Though I didn't know Scheme before
18:44:32 <jralls> It's like lisp.
18:46:25 <julian20> huh, I see
18:46:57 <julian20> well, thanks again. Have a nice evening ^^
18:47:02 *** julian20 has quit IRC
18:47:13 * Simon gave up trying to edit Scheme for the quote lookup and used Python instead :/
18:48:04 <jralls> Yeah, lispy stuff is a bit mind-bending.
18:48:49 <Simon> the biggest problem is just executing it... any kind of syntax error and it just fails to load
18:53:54 <jralls> It should dump a stacktrace into the log file.
18:55:29 <CDB-Man_> Reconciliation report: the primary key I'm sorting by is description. For a particular description "Air Canada", there's 1 transaction, credit entry into an asset account. The subtotal table shows $0 for that description, rather than the value of the 1 credit entry
18:56:29 <CDB-Man_> steps to reproduce: 1) record a credit entry to an asset account, 2) run a reconciliation report on that asset account, sorted by description 3) the subtotal table at the top does not include the subtotal of the credit balance for that description
18:57:01 <CDB-Man_> in fact, it actually looks like the reconciliation report doest include any credit entries at all
19:02:26 <jralls> CDB-Man_ I can't reproduce that. I just did a reconcilation report on one of my broker cash accounts and it has credits and debits.
19:02:44 <CDB-Man_> try on an account of type "Asset"
19:03:08 <CDB-Man_> meanwhile, I'll try running the report on a cash account
19:03:16 <jralls> Those are all placeholders in my book.
19:03:54 *** Anubis169 has quit IRC
19:04:11 <CDB-Man_> Is your primary key the "Description" when sorting?
19:04:30 <CDB-Man_> in my case, it's my prepaid expense account, which is type "Asset"
19:05:05 <jralls> Yes, but maybe what I'm missing is the "subtotal table".
19:05:34 <CDB-Man_> that. let me post a screenshot, 1 sec
19:05:42 <CDB-Man_> Just need to redact some names
19:06:17 <CDB-Man_> https://i.imgur.com/2agOkzR.png
19:06:49 <CDB-Man_> you will see the description "Air Canada" has 2 credit entries totalling CR (2,177), but the total in the subtotal table is blank
19:07:18 <CDB-Man_> likewise, the "Ken" description has a net difference of 2,177, but the subtotal at the top is 5,491
19:07:55 <CDB-Man_> the "Presto" item has a net total of $0., but you'll see the subtotal table only picks up on the DR side
19:07:58 <jralls> OIC, not what I was looking at. Like I said, I don't have that subtotals table. Where is it in options?
19:08:15 <CDB-Man_> Display tab -> 2nd last tickmark
19:11:30 <jralls> OK, I see the same thing. The credits aren't included. chris seems not to be here, maybe he'll see this later when he turns up. You could wait or file a bug.
19:12:39 <CDB-Man_> i'll wait for a bit, and if he hasn't surfaced by then, I'll file a bug so that the issue isn't lost
19:13:52 <jralls> It's probably something simple.
19:14:09 <jralls> Like a parenthesis in the wrong place.
19:14:52 *** Aussie_matt has joined #gnucash
19:28:23 *** aminbegood has joined #gnucash
19:42:52 <CDB-Man_> filed an entry here for chris https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797770
19:44:28 <CDB-Man_> actually, another thing i noticed is that the rport includes future dated transactions as well
19:44:52 <CDB-Man_> a transaction dated in 2021 is being picked up even though my date range is from 2015 until today
19:46:13 <jralls> CDB-Man_ You might check a nightly build to make sure chris hasn't fixed it already for 4.0. ISTR some discussion about the reconciliation report on one of the mailing lists a few weeks ago.
19:46:36 <CDB-Man_> this was tested on the Master nightly: gnucash-3.902-2020-05-23-git-3.902-157-gd8aecf969+.setup.exe
19:50:33 <jralls> Very good.
19:53:33 <chris> will look at all bugzilla soon. gtg work here!
19:54:42 <chris> CDB-Man_ the reconcile report doesn't come from any formal report I've seen before; it's "what chris thought would be useful in a reconcile report" so lots of rough edges are expected
19:55:32 <CDB-Man_> well, i think the reconcile report's primary differentiator is the subtotal table, and the ability to filter by reconciliation status
19:55:41 <CDB-Man_> that's its primary difference vs a transaction report
19:58:44 *** CDB-Man_ is now known as CDB-Man
19:59:39 <chris> the secret to coding scheme is to use an appropriate editor with autoindent and parenthese-matching... emacs has both. makes it easy to avoid syntax errors.
20:00:16 <chris> I'll have a look at your bug during the day. If you have a reference reconcile report I can check, by all means please attach.
20:01:47 <CDB-Man> not anything without massive data scrubbing, but I describe in the ticket how to replicate it with the right parameters, so I think that should be enough
20:02:06 <CDB-Man> along with a acreenshot too!
20:22:15 *** CDB-Man has quit IRC
20:56:17 *** jervin has joined #gnucash
21:01:42 *** User_ has joined #gnucash
21:06:01 *** CDB-Man has joined #gnucash
21:06:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v CDB-Man
21:19:20 *** User_ has quit IRC
21:21:23 *** storyjesse has joined #gnucash
21:23:02 *** aminbegood has quit IRC
21:25:40 *** aminbegood has joined #gnucash
21:43:39 *** storyjesse has quit IRC
21:44:48 *** aminbegood has quit IRC
21:54:21 *** aminbegood has joined #gnucash
22:07:00 *** aminbegood has quit IRC
22:20:25 *** codesmyt_ has quit IRC
22:20:52 *** codesmythe has joined #gnucash
22:20:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v codesmythe
22:23:52 *** codesmythe has quit IRC
22:43:02 *** Gerd1 has joined #gnucash
22:43:07 *** aminbegood has joined #gnucash
22:43:37 *** Gerd has quit IRC
22:43:37 *** Gerd1 is now known as Gerd
22:55:15 *** aminbegood has quit IRC
22:57:48 *** codesmythe has joined #gnucash
22:57:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v codesmythe
23:04:48 *** codesmythe has quit IRC
23:11:43 *** aminbegood has joined #gnucash
23:16:00 *** jervin has quit IRC
23:25:21 *** aminbegood has quit IRC