2020-04-27 GnuCash IRC logs
00:02:13 <chris> jralls: I'm sure you know (old) payables.scm and receivables.scm depend on aging.scm, (new) new-aging.scm is self-contained.
00:04:28 <chris> fwiw chartJS is doing their 3.0.0-alpha upgrade and I'll work on an upgrade path soon.
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01:18:49 <jralls> chris, the problem seems to be with the scm-reports-standard-with-exposed-generator (which my gutter-mind always wants to reinterpret). The old payables.scm and receivables.scm are in that target. The Windows build errors out because aging.scm, the sole item in scm-reports-common, isn't built yet. But adding scm-reports-common to the dependencies for scm-reports-standard-with-exposed-generators made cmake complain that scm-reports-common depends o
01:18:49 <jralls> n scm-rpt-reports which in turn depends on scm-reports-standard-with-exposed-generator.
01:19:33 <jralls> That was on the build VM on code. When I tried the same patch on my VM just now I got no such complaint.
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01:23:24 <jralls> Which is odd because the cycle is there in gnucash/report/reports/CMakeLists.txt.
01:28:05 <jralls> scm-rpt-reports just builds gnucash/report/reports/reports.scm, which uses payables.scm & receivables.scm to create the respective report-create functions.
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01:41:31 <jralls> @tell gjanssens, in gnucash/report/reports/CMakeLists.txt there are 3 targets used as dependencies that don't seem to be created anywhere: scm-reports-common-links, scm-reports-standard-links, and scm-reports-example-links. I'd expect cmake to crash out if they didn't exist, so where do they come from?
01:41:31 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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01:52:42 <chris> jralls: Not sure if I can actually help here. In my guid_dance branch I move the generator functions from old_reports to new_reports, so, may have to do some test win32 builds too
01:52:57 <chris> maybe the generator functions need to go somewhere common
01:56:59 <jralls> chris: Probably. There needs to be a clear flow of dependencies. Scheme is much less flexible about that than C/C++ where everything in a directory gets linked together at the end after all of the individual files are compiled. In Scheme, or Guile anyway, each file requires that everything it uses is already compiled.
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01:58:44 <jralls> So you must arrange targets in tiers: target-0 has files with no external dependencies, target-1 files depend only on files built in target-0, and so on. There must be no interdependency between files in a target.
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02:00:40 <chris> yeah there are a few report dependencies too, e.g. balsheet-pnl.scm will link to transaction-report and net-charts
02:01:23 <chris> I can try map out these dependencies if it'll help?
02:04:00 <jralls> I think I have a fix for the immediate problem. Going forward you need to extract all of the forms in report generating files like transaction-report.scm to library files, ideally grouped together by the sort of thing that it does. IIUC net-charts.scm is such a file, but if a report that doesn't draw a balance-over-time chart has dependencies in there then they should be moved to a file whose name describes what they do.
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02:07:45 <jralls> What I hope fixed it (still waiting on the build to finish) is changing the dependency on scm-reports-common (i.e. aging.scm) from $(scm_rpt_std_GUILE_DEPENDS) to $(scm_rpts_GUILE_DEPENDS).
02:14:28 <chris> This means I must take extra care to avoid circular dependencies :)
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02:25:14 <jralls> Past bedtime. The windows build worked, I'll discuss with gjanssens how to proceed in the morning as there's also the flathub failure.
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02:25:31 <chris> night!
02:32:57 <chris> jralls_zzzz re: c++options when you're back I've just realized in balsheet-pnl the multichoice option for period uses symbols ('YearDelta 'MonthDelta etc) but also has the #f boolean. I think this makes it tricky for c++. I think we should change that to symbol in master.
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03:40:48 <chris> test-stress-options with combinatorics currently fails for general-journal in master .... this is due to something about report stylesheet.
03:50:46 <chris> nothing wrong with general-journal; it's likely due to module changes
04:03:04 <chris> OOOH https://i.imgur.com/CFCl8Jo.png from my bank
04:07:04 <chris> toobad their OFX don't have FITID
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06:09:49 <chris> jralls_zzzz: if that's ok then I'll merge the updated income-gst-statement.scm with support for personalised UK/AU VAT/GST reports
06:09:52 <chris> (in master)
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09:53:55 <jralls_laptop> chris, Wow! That's first time I've ever heard of a bank acknowledging GnuCash's existance!
09:54:53 <jralls_laptop> chris, Please don't commit anything more to master until we get the release actually released.
09:55:01 <warlord> chris, WOW! Sweet!
09:56:17 <chris> ok sure.
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10:03:05 <chris> I'll still hope to merge a final fix to gnc-budget-view.c in maint long before 3.11... hopefully beta testers will get their bum off the couch soon
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10:04:12 <chris> I even sent message to my bank to tell them they don't have FITID against the spec... still no change yet
10:05:17 <warlord> chris, what do they do with FITID?
10:05:53 <chris> no FITID at all
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10:12:19 <warlord> oh. WEIRD
10:17:32 <warlord> If the FITID required?
10:17:50 <warlord> I know that if it exists it is supposed to be fixed and unique.
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11:17:24 <chris> jralls_laptop: if, after I try fix budgets in 3.11, and they complain, feel free to quip "Due to a lack of willing beta testers, the budget module is now removed" :)
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11:26:50 <jralls_laptop> chris, as long as it doesn't crash or do something really dumb I suggest leaving maint alone and doing further work on master.
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12:03:39 <fell> gjanssens, there is an interesting side effect of flatpak described: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-April/090706.html
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12:24:26 <fell> the last successful win32 nightly was at 2020-04-25 16:52. Flatpak had no recent problems.
12:26:43 <warlord> fell, I believe that jralls noticed a windows-specific issue, didn't he?
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12:27:29 <fell> warlord, I reported here to limit the scope.
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12:31:02 <warlord> fell, okay. He seemed to notice that the issue was limited to windows and didn't have time to track it down more.
12:33:02 <fell> Warlord, which program(s) should I use for the build server?
12:33:36 <warlord> I use Firefox to login to the web console, and then make sure you have remote-viewer installed to get to the console.
12:33:41 <warlord> the VM console
12:37:42 <fell> and the URL?
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13:32:35 <jralls> fell, warlord, the maint nightly yesterday was late because of the master one hung. It would have failed anyway, see the irc logs for early this morning.
13:33:24 <warlord> ok
13:34:19 <jralls> fell, warlord, today's nightlies likely failed because I left the build script modified for trying to get the unstable release built. I'll put that back now and work on a proper fix.
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13:36:29 <fell> OK
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13:38:31 <jralls> It was actually another guile hang.
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14:03:41 <warlord> Lovely. :(
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14:37:00 <warlord> jralls, I just noticed #797648 with its respective PR #670. I think this will introduce a new bug if you force all splits to have the same reconcile date. Or at least it will cause the way I've been handling Amazon splitting up orders to no longer work.
14:37:18 * warlord is catching up on 2 months of email.
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14:50:06 <jralls> warlord: What are you doing that's weird with reconcile dates and Amazon?
14:53:24 <warlord> make a $100 order. Amazon splits the order. Splits ship on different days (and the partial charges get charges on those different days). and those different days cross statement boundaries.
14:53:49 <warlord> The way I've been handling this is to split the transaction in the CC account into the two parts.
14:54:07 <warlord> (I don't know apriori that they are going to split my order)
14:55:51 <jralls> You might not know when you click "buy now" but IIRC the ack email provides that info.
14:58:11 <warlord> I'll have to check, but I don't recall that info being in there.
14:58:46 <jralls> Anyway, that's what beta testing is for: To discover the corner-cases and unanticipated use-cases.
14:58:56 <warlord> Indeed.
14:59:13 <warlord> And it's why I'm pointing out this case ;)
15:00:23 <jralls> Do the several splits now show up as separate entries in the reconcile window?
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15:29:37 <gjanssens> .
15:37:13 <gjanssens> jralls, fell: earlier today I remembered something I had planned for the 4.x release - finalize the cmake conversion of the gnucash-docs build system
15:37:30 <gjanssens> Or more accurately, removal of the autotools based build system.
15:37:54 <fell> Oh no!
15:38:04 <gjanssens> I think the cmake build system is now capable of doing all the relevant bits the autotools system could.
15:38:17 <gjanssens> Oh yes! ;)
15:38:54 <fell> How about 5.0?
15:38:57 <gjanssens> The motivation is to end up with only one build system to learn and maintain.
15:39:00 <gjanssens> fell: why ?
15:39:29 <fell> That is a valid point.
15:40:14 <fell> I assume I will need 1week+ to understand cmake
15:41:19 <fell> BTW there are places in the wiki like Translation still only explaining autotools usage.
15:43:16 <fell> You could prbably convince me, if you would add CMake instructions to https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Update_Instructions#Conventions (+Translation ;-))
15:43:49 <gjanssens> I can do the instructions, but I doubt I can do decent translations for that.
15:44:19 <fell> No, https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation
15:45:17 <gjanssens> Oh. -facepalm-
15:46:03 <gjanssens> It won't be for today though. I just wanted to bring it up. I'll see what I can do tomorrow.
15:46:37 <gjanssens> fell: out of curiosity, have you built gnucash itself with cmake ?
15:46:54 <gjanssens> It has been the only build system as of 3.x
15:47:42 <fell> Yes, but in Eclipse I got a weird tree artefact.
15:47:54 <gjanssens> Interesting. How so ?
15:48:40 * gjanssens mostly builds from the command line, but kdevelop does run cmake for its linve code analysis
15:50:01 <fell> I started with your suggestions, added, branch subdirs and build dirs, which all remain unused.. :-(
15:51:12 <fell> I believe there is one singe step wrong, when using the defaults of their assistants.
15:51:20 <gjanssens> And my suggestions were ?
15:51:20 <fell> single
15:51:44 <fell> Oh, years ago here.
15:52:45 <fell> The parts, which I had understood became part of the wiki pages, git, eclipse, ...
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15:55:56 <fell> In Eclipse I say build, which does the clean and config part, but then errors out, I belive because it handles warnings as errors. but then I use ninja on the console.
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16:02:05 <gjanssens> I should try that again one day
16:03:59 <gjanssens> fell: made a quick first change on https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Update_Instructions#Conventions
16:05:05 <gjanssens> I quickly scanned the page for other areas affected by cmake. The main difference will be that all build commands are run from the top build directory instead of the language specific directory.
16:05:11 <gjanssens> That's a cmake thing.
16:05:17 <gjanssens> I'll continue to update the pages later.
16:05:25 <gjanssens> Now I have to leave for the night.
16:06:08 <fell> That is bad
16:06:45 <fell> When will you be here tomorrow?
16:07:42 <gjanssens> Don't know yet, but probaly somewhere before noon already.
16:07:57 <gjanssens> I'll be at my computer most of the rest of tomorrow
16:08:10 <fell> OK, then you will here before me.
16:08:28 <gjanssens> Good
16:08:29 <fell> I had questions about the docs reformatting.
16:08:49 <gjanssens> Ping me tomorrow.
16:09:12 <fell> I could do a one shot and we could try to find another formatter later.
16:09:38 <gjanssens> That is about your PR ?
16:09:43 <fell> yep
16:09:57 <fell> There is also the cmake part missing
16:10:36 <gjanssens> I understand. It should be easy (for me) to rewrite your makefile snippet to cmake.
16:11:03 <gjanssens> More tomorrow. Got to leave.
16:11:06 <gjanssens> Bye!
16:11:11 <fell> Bye
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16:47:42 <jralls> fell, I don't think you went quite the right way with Uservoice. We don't want more enhancement bug reports, and we especially don't want to add them from Uservoice without a very restrictive filter. 99.44% of what gets put on UserVoice is BS.
16:49:32 <jralls> What we really want to do is steer the noobs from UV to gnucash-user where our experienced users can help them understand how to keep their books with GnuCash.
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16:52:54 <fell> jralls: I thought David T. would be the right candidate aas he always wants to remove things. :-9
16:53:57 <jralls> Maybe, but only if given the right direction. If you tell him to cross-reference existing bugs or create new ones that's exactly what he'll do.
16:55:22 <jralls> I don't want to go into management-mode in public. Shall we PM?
16:55:52 <fell> OK
16:56:30 <jralls> warlord, Do you think unstable release setup.exe should have their own dir in code/public/builds/win32?
16:57:34 <fell> Wheredid we have 2.9?
16:59:46 <jralls> There wasn't one, it was 2.7 but after we got Gtk3 shoved down our throats we decided to make the stable 3.0 instead of 2.8. It went into releases. There's an empty unstable dir.
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17:29:57 <warlord> Well, the 2.7.x went into "releases"
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17:30:38 <warlord> But... I think having an "unstable" makes it clear what it is and we don't accidentally have someone download one thinking "hey, 3.904 is newer than 3.10 so it must be better!"
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17:41:31 <fell> Cool, I got the brand new 3.911! ;-)
17:59:06 <fell> jrall: LANGUAGE is not required.
18:00:31 <fell> 1. it is a preference ist, while LANG can only contain 1 value.
18:02:12 <fell> One can use it e.g to debug problems with LANG settings: LANG=zh.TW (unreadable for me) LANGUAGE=C
18:03:41 <fell> Prbably there has been a bug in some old POSIX OS, where it did not work correctly.
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18:37:31 <fell> N_( "Mailing lists are the preferred form of communication in the \
18:37:32 <fell> GnuCash community. For announcements of new releases, user groups etc. \
18:37:34 <fell> see the table at https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists")
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18:41:24 <fell> jralls and other native speakers: Is ^that correct? ref:https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-April/090723.html
18:46:37 <jralls> fell, looks OK to me.
18:46:58 <fell> thanks
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