2020-04-17 GnuCash IRC logs
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06:34:52 <gjanssens> .
06:49:18 <chris> gjanssens I may leave the backward compatibility stuff to you. too difficult for me. personally I'd add a single gnc-warning-dialog to prompt user to choose book accounting option and to re-save their reports.
06:50:00 <chris> if they don't change then in 5.x, trying to use global accounting period would emit gnc-warning-dialog informing we're now using book-option.
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12:52:18 <Fluffy> Hi, i'd like to complain about the search function; where would i file a bug report/feature request?
12:56:42 <Fluffy> …the default setting for ctrl+f is "Refine current search", instead of "New search" - this doesn't make sense, especially when it is the 1st search after starting GNUcash for the 1st time (after a reboot)
12:59:05 <Fluffy> …maybe "this" is the same as "new search" …i don't know …it certainly doesn't instil much confidence in the default search results
13:00:29 <Fluffy> …maybe i've missed a memo; whom would i pay/watch for (proper) GNUcash training?
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13:41:12 <warlord> Fluffy, you can file at bugs.gnucash.org, but Ctrl-F is context sensitive. If you start from the CoA it will search everything. If you start from a register, it assumes you want to search within that register.
13:41:22 <warlord> IMHO *THAT* behavior is not a bug.
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13:51:55 <fell> warlord: if the search result is empty, refining makes no sense.
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13:56:01 <warlord> fell, that is true.
13:56:52 <fell> perhaps chris is interested in that issue?
14:01:37 <fell> But i just did a search client. the result was empty and "new search" seleced.
14:02:14 <fell> fluffy, which Gnucash version and OS are you using?
14:04:18 <fell> and in which context are you using Ctrl+F?
14:04:32 <Fluffy> imho: if there's NO previous search result, "refine"-ing one doesn't make much sense!
14:06:26 <warlord> Fluffy, a register, internally, is still a search. It just didn't come from a search dialog.
14:07:25 <Fluffy> fell: reboot, start GNUcash, <ctrl+f> ← that's my context → NO previous search result - It's, actually, the default setting of the search dialouge window → it's NOT set to "New search"
14:08:25 <warlord> Fluffy, what window/tab is open/visible when you click Ctrl-f?
14:08:27 <fell> On the Chart of Accounts, an account or report?
14:10:15 <Fluffy> I'm running Ubuntu 19.10 (Gnome) with Version: 3.7 Build ID: 3.7+(2019-09-07) Finance::Quote: 1.47
14:10:34 <warlord> Fluffy, if I am in the Chart of Accounts and click Ctrl-F, it does have "New Search" selected by default. SO.. You must not be starting in the CoA.
14:10:51 <warlord> Fluffy, you are giving us irrelevant data.
14:10:56 <warlord> Please answer the questions we are asking.
14:11:25 <warlord> (sorry, I guess he did ask you what version/OS)
14:11:34 <Fluffy> Y'all might be aware of that pesky UX thing ;)
14:12:29 <Fluffy> I'm sorry, i still treat comms async! …i'm iterating Y'alls
14:14:19 <warlord> Fluffy, fair enough. Both fell and I are trying to help, but we're asking for info that we're not getting. Specifically, what window/tab is open/on-top/visible when you type Ctrl-F?
14:17:19 <Fluffy> please be patient…
14:18:27 <Fluffy> warlord: the account window/tab i intend to search is active
14:18:58 <warlord> Fluffy, gotcha. The UX is that GnuCash expects that if you're in a register and hit Search, then you're asking to search within that register.
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14:19:47 <warlord> This is, therefore, *refining* the search, because the register itself is already a search result -- even though it's not the result of a Ctrl-F search, it is built from a search that was created when you opened the register.
14:20:08 <warlord> I.e., double-clicking on an account to open the account register *is* starting a search.
14:20:16 <Fluffy> warlord: YES, that's my intention, but it comes up with "refine current search" by default - makes no sense
14:20:34 <warlord> It makes perfect sense, because it's refining the register's search.
14:22:23 <Fluffy> Ooooh! It's an MVC-thing → Model-View-Controller? (?)
14:23:16 <warlord> Yes. the only difference is that a register is a specialize search instead of a generic search, so the output from your "refined" search will open in a new window instead of adjusting the register.
14:23:30 <warlord> s/specialize/specialized
14:23:48 <Fluffy> register == tab (?)
14:24:19 <warlord> Register is the account window / tab
14:25:07 <Fluffy> Wow, now, it all makes sense! Thanks, y'alls. warlord
14:25:16 <warlord> You're welcome, Fluffy
14:26:17 <Fluffy> However, that's a lot of 'splaining for n00bs; is there (where?) a proper guide?
14:26:43 <warlord> Did you look at the docs in www.gnucash.org? There's a Tutorial/Guide and the Help
14:27:22 <Fluffy> …a guide for n00bs, who're not aware of MVC, or similar design patterns?
14:27:43 <warlord> No, this is the gnucash docs.
14:29:00 <warlord> I dont know if there is a generic MVC for n00bs doc anywhere, but if there is it wouldn't be gnucash-specific.
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14:31:00 <Fluffy> Hmm, well, i'm glad i've learned about business processes as well as programming paradigms in (trade) school. I've not looked into docs, though.
14:31:23 <warlord> No worries!
14:31:41 <warlord> I've learned tons about accounting by being involved in this project over the past 2+ decades.
14:32:52 <Fluffy> haha
14:32:57 <Fluffy> xD
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14:34:54 <Fluffy> I've read the GoF-Book, as well as PHP design patterns …but, oof, i'm SO not up-to-date …i don't even "speak" C/C++
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14:35:41 <Fluffy> …i'm just trying to keep my books xD LOL
14:35:56 <warlord> PHP? Oof!
14:37:15 <Fluffy> haha yeah, PHP …i know, "real" programmers give PHP quite a hard time xD
14:37:41 <warlord> LOL
14:37:50 <warlord> Old school programmers, certainly.
14:45:07 <Fluffy> This "GoF-Book", btw: https://imgur.com/a/0bB5znx …but i really need to learn C/C++ in order to truely understand it
14:45:41 <warlord> Do you? One would think MVC is valid for others, too. Like RoR is TRULY MVC!
14:45:45 <warlord> (and forces it)
14:46:19 <Fluffy> RoR?
14:46:36 <warlord> Ruby on Rails
14:52:27 <Fluffy> ah, RoR! I've never understood, maybe i've over-understood, templates/MVC; i ended up creating a separate template for even a-links …it felt like overkill, but it also felt like the right thing to do …something i've learned in database normalisation lesson. *sigh*
14:56:20 <Fluffy> sorry, that was certainly off-topic
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14:56:38 <warlord> LOL. It's okay.
14:56:39 <Fluffy> Thanks y'all!
14:56:53 <Fluffy> :3 *purrs*
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15:07:45 <warlord> You're welcome. Have a great rest-of-your-day!
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18:41:39 <fell> There is a subtile bug: I entered just 2 buys of commodities with date 2019-01-02, but in the price database one of them appears with date 2020-04-18.
18:44:05 <fell> I believe, it is the one, wich I had started from bank, saved without pieces, price, amount and edited then from the commodity account.
18:45:49 <fell> further editing does not update the date in the price db.
18:51:05 <fell> Only deleting the price db price and editing the transaction again allowedfixing the date.
19:16:44 <fell> Another strange thing: the balance says Trading accounts 10.000 profit while P&L says -10.000
19:20:26 * chris annoyed about 797659 nobody wants to test
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20:13:16 * fell doesn't use budgets and has currently problems to get a balance according DE-GOB instead of US-GAAP.
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22:19:53 <chris> jralls can you keep up with jean's PRs? :)
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