2020-02-14 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:05:50 <chris> samtc: simply, no.
08:06:26 <chris> no, 'can't be done'
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08:37:45 <samtc> jralls, chris: thanks!
08:42:42 <samtc> I wanted to see the impact of a project (simulated in a budget) on the company’s budget.
08:43:38 <samtc> not that important / not essential after all
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09:14:19 * chris re: advanced-portfolio: what a pile of embarrassing spaghetti
09:16:45 <chris> how does mta actually work on it???
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12:15:18 <jralls> samtc, that's what spreadsheets are for.
12:17:16 <jralls> chris, sadly there's lots of embarrassing spaghetti in GnuCash and in many, perhaps even most, programs. If the module is small enough that one can hold all of the pieces in one's head then it might even seem to be a reasonable design.
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13:06:47 <warlord> jralls, it gets even worse when a system grows organically (like GnuCash has over the past 30 years), with dozens of different developers working independently in separate versions of the code.
13:07:08 <warlord> For a long time I was trying to act as a systems architect, but I've long since given up on that role.
13:08:02 <jralls> Yeah. All of Gnome has that problem. I try to do that too; it helps that there's a smaller number of devs now, most of whom are allergic to spaghetti code from maintaining GnuCash's.
13:08:23 <jralls> Glib and Gtk are lost causes, though.
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13:10:28 <jralls> warlord, since you're here: Do we still need to run GnuCash inside of a Guile interpreter? It looks to me that all scheme calls from C are done using the Guile C API.
13:14:12 <warlord> I honestly have no idea if we need to or not. I thought that in order to *have* a scheme interpreter instance around this was the way to do it, but I honestly haven't looked at that in well over a decade.
13:17:59 <jralls> OK. Something for me to study later, I need to get c++options finished and the AQBanking bugs ironed out by the end of March.
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14:00:42 <pkricton> How does one set and enforce page margins in reports? I find multi-page reports just split across the physical page
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14:06:31 <jralls> pkricton: If you're on Windows or Mac you can't because it's something that is possible (and is supposed to be automatic) only with WebKit2. There are two work-arounds: Either export the HTML and open it in a newer browser that should do the pagination for you or copy-and-paste it into a word processor or spreadsheet and fix it up to your liking.
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14:16:58 <pkricton> jralls: I use Linux and there are no system wide print settings. Even when I set the page format under "Page Setup..." and apply, it ignores the setting. Pity such a great tool stumbles so badly in suck a basic function.
14:18:29 <pkricton> jralls: Thanks for the insight, I can stop hunting for page format settings now.
14:18:46 <jralls> pkricton, we're stuck by the design choice made long ago to use HTML for formatting reports and WebKit for rendering them.
14:19:28 <jralls> And perhaps an overly simplistic way of embedding WebKit as well.
14:23:22 <pkricton> jralls: I understand the conundrum the team faces. Sounds like a non trivial endeavor. I've dealt with printing systems before and it's a pain.
14:27:10 <pkricton> Thanks for the insight. I can deal with it.
14:27:41 <jralls> You're welcome.
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19:52:57 <chris> jralls: srfi-180 will re-implement json. so, when it's finalised I'll see about replacing guile-json library with it in master.
19:57:49 <chris> advanced-portfolio is a world apart in terms of steaming spaghetti
19:58:38 <jralls> chris, OK, I guess. Is that something new to the Scheme world to be implemented in some future version of Guile or is it a feature of Guile-3?
19:58:55 <chris> not yet, it's still in development
19:59:12 <chris> when it's ready we can add srfi-180.scm instead of /guile-json/*
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19:59:45 <jralls> Is it already in whatever passes for a Scheme standard?
20:00:02 <chris> not sure I haven't tried it myself
20:00:20 <chris> but the SRFI implementation is being worked on right now
20:00:38 <jralls> By the Guile dev team?
20:01:33 <chris> no, by an experienced guile hacker amirouche
20:02:03 <chris> and the very picky hacker jcowan also involved
20:02:51 <jralls> And they'll eventually write a PR for including it in some future version of Guile? Or will it be an add-on?
20:03:57 <chris> hmm guile does tend to add SRFIs and interesting ice-9 modules from time to time... so, not guaranteed it will be added into core... but I think I could prod wingo/ludovic to consider adding it
20:04:06 <jralls> Never mind, https://github.com/scheme-requests-for-implementation/srfi-180. It hasn't even been submitted for incorporating in Scheme yet.
20:04:49 <chris> yeah I'd wait until they have full portable implementation and comprehensive tests
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20:10:16 <jralls> https://srfi.schemers.org/ Incredibly informal compared even to Python never mind ISO-standard languages like C++.
20:12:30 <chris> they're still obsessed about scheme portability and efficient code though
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22:48:42 <chris> if you're here jralls -- am I assuming right that xaccTransGetCurrency will *always* return an ISO currency?
23:30:45 <chris> also, this is why lispy languages are doomed to appear informal: http://winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html
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