2020-02-07 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:25:04 <fell> jralls: I just read, you can install KDE under Windows and MacOS, too. So I would not remove the desktop and appdata file there.
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01:05:34 <yo> Hi! Anyone uses mint and gnucash?
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01:18:52 <Mechtilde> yo I use GnuCash under Debian
01:19:21 <yo> have you tried importing data from mint.com ?
01:19:39 <yo> i meant mint as in mint.com, not ubuntu mint
01:20:17 <Mechtilde> which data?
01:21:31 <Mechtilde> is it an accounting software too?
01:22:11 <Mechtilde> yo ^
01:22:52 <Mechtilde> do you want to migrate, yo ?
01:22:53 <yo> its a web based solution for personal finances
01:23:18 <Mechtilde> does it have an export function? yo
01:23:34 <yo> mint already integrates with other banks and has good annotations that I want to use, but it only exports to csv.
01:23:56 <yo> this csv is weird since the amount sign is not correct, both debit and credit transactions are +ve
01:23:58 <Mechtilde> you can import *.csv into gnucash
01:24:57 <yo> i tried importing csv into gnucash, but both debit and credit transactions are +ve — and gnucash does not _seem_ to have a way to fix
01:25:20 <Mechtilde> which sigh does it use to differ between debit and credit
01:26:11 <Mechtilde> In German we use for a such thing "S" and "H"
01:26:12 <yo> theres just a column, “transaction type” that has debit or credit as options within
01:26:30 <yo> the numbers in amount or simply positive floats
01:26:45 <yo> row1: …,debit,123.12,…
01:26:53 <Mechtilde> then you have to edit the *.csv before import
01:26:54 <yo> row2: …,credit,32.12,…
01:27:12 <yo> yes, that seems to be the only solutio
01:27:39 <yo> there’s some libraries available online, but none of them are super credible
01:27:51 <yo> okay, thanks for brainstorming!
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03:07:06 <gjanssens> .
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04:02:01 <fell> gjanssens: 2 thoughts on the gettext issues:
04:03:27 <fell> 1. As you can run KDE also under MacOs or Windows, I would nit cripple gnuucash by removing desktop or appdata files there.
04:04:15 <fell> 2. If we do a major overhaul, we should consider https://cmake.org/cmake/help/v3.0/module/FindGettext.html etc.
04:09:32 <gjanssens> fell: for point 1. I don't think so.
04:10:51 <gjanssens> The appdata information is meant for package databases. Our installer is stand-alone, so there is no package database involved and hence appdata is not in use.
04:12:40 <gjanssens> As for point 2. - we are uing FindGettext.html
04:13:10 <gjanssens> find_package will search for that cmake recipe and use it to find gettext.
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04:14:23 <gjanssens> Though reading the documentation, we may possibly use more of it
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06:26:18 <chris> gjanssens: 797596 are you currently stalled as well? or simply starved of time
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08:34:21 <warlord> .
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11:59:38 <gjanssens> chris: starved of time unfortunately...
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15:00:46 <jralls> fell_laptop: There's no "crippling" involved, we were discussing default values to cmake options. A MacPorts X11 user (e.g. mta) may well want a gnucash.desktop so all he'd have to do is add -DBUILD_GNUCASH_DESKTOP=ON to the cmake command line.
15:02:31 <jralls> fell_laptop: But while building KDE for MacOS might be regarded as a kewl hax, nobody's going to do it for anything more than lulz. It's just plain pointless. Not only that but it involves Fink, an abomination that should have died decades ago.
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15:16:08 <jralls> fell_laptop, found some pages suggesting that one can run KDE via WSL and connect to an XServer running under Windows. Any program using KDE would be built for WSL and therefor a Linux build, not a Windows one.
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15:28:07 <warlord> NEW SDDs installed and operational in the VM server!
15:30:15 <gjanssens> warlord: \o/
15:30:40 <warlord> df -h /ovirt/data/
15:30:40 <warlord> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
15:30:58 <warlord> dev/mapper/ovirt--0--ssd-ovirt--data 4.0T 1.1T 2.9T 28% /ovirt/data
15:31:14 <gjanssens> jralls: I have been looking into the build options re appdata and such a bit more and I would like to simplify it a bit
15:31:23 <warlord> Went from 81% usage to 28%. I think this will last for a while!
15:31:37 <warlord> But I now have *space* for more VM expansion.
15:31:49 <warlord> And I have the network capacity, too..
15:31:49 <jralls> warlord, yay!
15:31:58 <jralls> gjanssens, OK, what do you have in mind?
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15:32:01 <warlord> (so feel free to advertise flatpak on code)
15:32:07 <gjanssens> Particularly you wrote yesterday: "I'm not concerned about the building, I'm concerned about erroring out on dependencies, i.e. gettext-0.20, unnecessarily."
15:33:19 <gjanssens> So I would like to just do that: if gettext is not recent enough 1. don't generate the potfile rule so it can't be built (which will then later break dist)
15:33:29 <jralls> Right. I don't think that someone on Debian/Ubuntu should have to jump through extra hoops to build GnuCash from the tarball.
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15:33:52 <gjanssens> 2. generate appdata and gnucash desktop in all circumstances, and translate them when possible
15:34:26 <jralls> Isn't that what we do now?
15:34:39 <gjanssens> Almost.
15:34:50 <gjanssens> That's what we do if you set ALLOW_OLD_GETTEXT
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15:35:17 <gjanssens> So essentially I'm removing the hard requirement on a recent gettext and will make the best of it ith the one we have found
15:35:28 <gjanssens> And inform the user of what can't be done
15:35:42 <gjanssens> But the build will never be prevented.
15:36:08 <gjanssens> I don't see a point in adding extra user overrides for this.
15:36:28 <gjanssens> Generating the files on Windows or MacOS doesn't harm even if they're not used
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15:37:10 <jralls> Correct, that was my point yesterday, they're not a significant contributor to build time.
15:37:12 <gjanssens> And if you can't generate them due to a too old gettext, I don't see why you'd try to force-override that limitation.
15:37:41 <gjanssens> So adding user configurability here adds complexity with little gain
15:37:58 <jralls> Well, you can't generate the translations via a too-old gettext, but many users don't care about that either.
15:38:24 <gjanssens> You mean we can't generate gnucash.pot ?
15:39:37 <jralls> Only translators care about gnucash.pot. Users care about xx.po.
15:39:45 <gjanssens> Right
15:40:54 <gjanssens> So any objections to this simplification ?
15:41:53 <jralls> Only a suggestion, that we have a BUILD_DIST that will error out if gettext isn't new enough. cmake spews enough noise that a warning could easily escape notice.
15:43:31 <gjanssens> So if I rephrase that, do you mean that if a user runs "make dist" it should give a clean warning this is not supported if gettext is too old ?
15:43:43 <jralls> Since the gnucash.pot target and therefore the dist target would anyway be disabled the use case would be for packagers.
15:44:01 <jralls> Yes, that too.
15:45:23 <jralls> Though a warning would imply that it would build the tarball anyway without gnucash.pot. It should be "Sorry, I can't do that unless you install a newer gettext."
15:45:59 <gjanssens> Well, I meant "make dist" should error out with a clear error message stating it's not supported due to gettext being too old.
15:46:28 <jralls> Right, we agree.
15:46:34 <gjanssens> Other than that how do you see the use of BUILD_DIST ?
15:48:13 <jralls> For a packager like Dimitryy or Bill N who might want to make sure their packaging script fails if they can't generate a translatable gnucash.appdata.
15:49:32 <jralls> They're not building source tarballs, they're building *from* source tarballs. That's why I was probing yesterday to see if we could get a gnucash.appdata.in with the translations included but not the version into the tarball.
15:51:04 <gjanssens> Hmm, I don't know if they want their packaging scripts to fail if they can't generate a translatable gnucash.appdata
15:51:19 <gjanssens> Think of older LTS distros
15:51:44 <gjanssens> They can't have a translatable appdata, but still want to package *an* appdata file
15:53:00 <gjanssens> On the other hand rethinking this it may be possible to swap the steps: first merge the translations and only then apply versions.
15:53:13 <gjanssens> Then indeed a translated file can be distributed
15:53:24 <gjanssens> I'd have to check for that.
15:54:32 <jralls> Vut I'm talking about an option that defaults to OFF. The semi-hypothetical packager would set it to ON only if he wants his script to fail if he can't get a translatable gnucash.appdata.
15:54:41 <jralls> s/Vut/But/
15:55:18 <jralls> Having a dist tarball that doesn't care about gettext version would be better.
15:57:38 <gjanssens> Ok about the option, though I'd call it REQUIRE_DIST or something similar then.
15:58:05 <gjanssens> But I'll first see what I can do with not requiring gettext for a build from dist.
15:58:10 <gjanssens> More on that later.
15:58:16 <gjanssens> Have to leave now.
15:58:20 <jralls> Sounds good. Bye!
15:58:27 <gjanssens> Bye
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23:00:05 <jp> Hello, I have a question about installing Finance::Quote. I am running Gnucash 3.8 flatpak on Linux Mint 19.2 and have installed Finance::Quote (v1.49) using CPAN, however the "about" window in GnuCash only displays a "-" for F::Q version & I cannot retreive online quotes. I have added my alphavantage API key via the GNUcash preferences window. Any help is appreciated & all apologies for asking for help on such a documented issue. I have
23:00:05 <jp> tried to solve on my own, but am in over my head. Thank you.
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