2020-01-23 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:17:37 <gjanssens> .
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04:34:36 <pbneves> Hi
04:36:24 <pbneves> I was using gnucash 3.6 on a Linux Slackware64-current machine, but the system upgraded guile to version 3.0.0 and gnucash stoped working complaining for the lack of guile
04:37:42 <pbneves> Then I'm trying to compile gnucash version 3.8 but CMake complains that guile version 2.0 or 2.2 is not found.
04:38:28 <pbneves> Is there a possibility that gnucash supports guile 3.0?
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05:28:40 <chris> pbneves: not yet. please find a way of using guile-2.2 for now, and work on guile-3.0 can start in due course.
05:31:08 <pbneves> :( Thanks any way
05:33:17 <chris> pbneves: bug report always useful though. add your experience to https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797579 and help move it forward.
05:46:11 <pbneves> done
05:48:30 <chris> pbneves: and attach compilation errors too
05:55:58 <pbneves> I've already attached the CMakeOutput.log file and the console output
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06:19:01 <gjanssens> getting the build system to test for guile 3.0 is the easy part. Fixing all incompatibilities is harder.
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06:19:44 <gjanssens> Personally I prefer to see that happen for gnucash 4 rather than 3.x. It's a big dependency upgrade.
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09:57:16 <chris> checking out for tonight.
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10:29:57 <khobo> did you guys ever look at that bug i found?
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12:11:41 <jralls> knobo: We have hundreds of bugs and a very few part-time volunteer developers. Only bugs reported in Bugzilla (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla) are likely to get attention; anything reported on the mailing lists or especially IRC will be quickly forgotten.
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12:12:14 <khobo> damn -- oh wait i was talking to you
12:12:25 <khobo> remember the error in the closing books?
12:12:38 <khobo> how it was calculating more than double on the investments
12:14:32 <jralls> knobo: Yes. It seems to not recognize closing transactions. If you want it fixed *ever* file a bug. That's no guarantee that it will be fixed in the next release or even the next major release. Like I said, hundreds of bugs and only a few developers.
12:14:48 <khobo> gotcha
12:14:57 <khobo> how do i even write what's happening?
12:15:03 <khobo> err explain*
12:20:16 <jralls> Just say that if the book is closed using tools>close book the close transactions are interpreted at least sometimes (because it happened in 2016 and not 2017) as investment and distribution instead of closing. chris, who does most of the work on reports, likes screen shots so attach all of the ones you made on Tuesday and any others you think might help illustrate what's going on.
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12:21:02 <jonesy123> ?
12:21:07 <jralls> Oh, I just had a thought about 2017: What day is the closing transaction posted.
12:21:47 <jonesy123> Hi guys, does anyone know if the program will survive a Windows 7-10 upgrade without any corruption of data?
12:24:22 <jralls> Well, lots of users have made the upgrade and none have reported any, nor is there any reason for the win7->10 upgrade to touch user files.
12:25:00 <jralls> Preferences are stored in the Registry, though, so there's a small chance of that getting screwed up.
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12:25:22 <jonesy123> can they be backed up?
12:26:11 <jralls> Registry keys? Supposedly, but I don't remember the details. Google "backup windows registry".
12:26:41 <jonesy123> thanks!
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12:38:37 <jralls> ra4376
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13:51:35 <jralls> ISTM Slackware has shot themselves in the foot by pushing Guile 3.0: Of the four projects on Guile's homepage that use it only Guix supports Guile-3.0. Lepton-EDA and crucially gdb still require 2.0, they don't even support 2.2 and of course we support either 2.0 or 2.2. Guix supports either 3.0 or 2.2 and Ludovic Courtés contributed the 3.0 support.
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13:52:57 <jralls> I'm not opposed to getting 3.0 support in, of course, but I think that Slackware will be backpedalling pretty hard when they realize they've broken gdb's scripting.
13:54:30 <jralls> Though I suppose it's possible--likely even--that nobody actually uses gdb's scheme scripting, especially since gdb started providing python scripting as well.
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14:25:55 <gjanssens> jralls: ouch on Slackware...
14:26:49 <jralls> I dunno, if anyone actually is using guile with gdb they'll be screaming, as should the GnuCash users be.
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14:29:19 <gjanssens> It's a bit odd they push for only one version of guile
14:30:10 <gjanssens> I understand supporting multiple versions of scripting languages has it's challenges, but I assumed it to be a solved problem by now.
14:31:19 <gjanssens> But as you suggest, perhaps guile is not that much in use on slackware.
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14:32:40 <jralls> I suspect that the guile packager got a bit over-enthusiastic. Realistically the Guile guys ought to be devoting most of their effort to supporting GnuCash as we're they're only real users. I really do doubt that most gdb users even know that they can script it with guile. As for Guix and Lepton-EDA, does anyone at all use them besides their authors?
14:33:22 <jralls> Lilypond is still around too, sort of, but they're still on Guile 1.6.
14:34:03 <jralls> oops, we're their only real users.
14:34:40 <gjanssens> :)
14:34:57 <gjanssens> For the time being <evil_grin>
14:36:09 <jralls> Yeah, it's an uncomfortable position for us.
14:36:34 <gjanssens> Righ
14:36:36 <gjanssens> t
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14:41:01 <jralls> Changing the subject, I was about to make a draft PR for c++options and start integrating dialog-options.c, but I realized that I'm exposing *way* too much template code so I'm going to try to hide it.
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14:42:28 <jralls> IIRC you said last month that you weren't able to compile it. I just fixed up a few gcc issues and what's in https://github.com/jralls/gnucash c++options now builds and tests successfully on ubuntu 18.04
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14:50:27 <gjanssens> Good. I'll try to look at it over the next days
14:55:22 <jralls> That would be great. I hope that the implementation-hiding will just be moving stuff around and not any significant code changes.
15:08:39 * gjanssens just discovered that sheduled transactions create their own parallel account tree starting off of a separate root account
15:08:44 <gjanssens> I didn't know that...
15:11:18 <gjanssens> Now I'm curious how the code knows which is the real root account and which is the SX one...
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15:16:54 <jralls> qof_book_get_root_account() returns the real one, gnc_book_get_template_root gets the SX one.
15:20:13 <gjanssens> I found qof_book_get_root_account, but I'm still puzzled.
15:20:40 <gjanssens> How are the collections populated when loading a book ?
15:21:28 <gjanssens> gnc_book_get_root_account queries the GNC_ID_ROOT_ACCOUNT collection (which stands for RootAccount)
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15:22:23 <gjanssens> I'm having some trouble pin pointing where this info is parsed from say an xml book and then added to the collection.
15:22:34 <jralls> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/libgnucash/backend/xml/io-gncxml-v2.cpp#L316
15:25:37 <gjanssens> I'd imagine at some point in the code there should be code to create a GNC_ID_ROOT_ACCOUNT collection and an account added to it as data, but searching for GNC_ID_ROOT_ACCOUNT doesn't get me that
15:26:58 <gjanssens> Hmm, unless of course it gets created automatically on the first call to qof_book_get_collection (book, GNC_ID_ROOT_ACCOUNT)
15:27:53 <gjanssens> I guess the core of my quest is how does the xml parser know when parsing a root account whether that's the book root account or the template root account ?
15:28:12 <jralls> The collection for the template root account is GNC_ID_SXTG, see https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/libgnucash/engine/SX-book.c#L65 and https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/libgnucash/engine/SX-book.c#L94
15:30:32 <gjanssens> I did find those, thanks.
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15:31:14 <gjanssens> I'm trying to trace from another starting point: nothing is loaded just yet and the xml parser starts parsing the file.
15:31:46 <gjanssens> At some point it will read an account of type ROOT and has to drop it in some qof_collection.
15:32:10 <gjanssens> What information does it use to determine whether this is the book root account or the template root account ?
15:33:05 <gjanssens> In the xml file I don't see anything in particular that differentiates the root account from the template root account.
15:33:10 <gjanssens> They are both type ROOT
15:33:50 <gjanssens> They do have a different name, but that doesn't seem to be used while reading the xml file.
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15:37:31 <jralls> The real root account is in the <accounts> section at the beginning of the xml document. The template root account is at the beginning of the <gnc:template-transactions> element and it's set to the template root in add_template_transaction_local at io-gncxml-v2.cpp line 335.
15:41:32 <gjanssens> There's no <accounts> section, but the template root is indeed in the <gnc:template-transacations> section. Finally I see it...
15:42:08 <gjanssens> Now to figure out why my old book as 8 root accounts in the <gnc:template-transactions> section...
15:42:18 <gjanssens> But that's for another day. Time to go.
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16:35:54 <zoid> How do I add credit cards opening debt? Negative equity opening balance?
16:39:59 <zoid> Or just debt in general.
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18:09:13 <jralls> zoid: Yes, or in formal terms credit Liabailites::MyCreditCard, debit Equity:OpeningBalances
18:19:31 <zoid> thank you jralls!
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