2020-01-16 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:07:17 <gjanssens> .
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12:51:04 <jralls> .
12:51:04 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 1 day, 9 hours, and 43 minutes ago: <gjanssens> understood.
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15:08:14 <fell> gjanssens, perhaps we should improve gnucash-on-flatpak/README.md by instructions to clean the repo. I am loosing the overview.
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15:42:15 <gjanssens> fell: what are you looking for exactly ?
15:42:36 <fell> drop old builds
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15:44:25 <fell> perhaps keep the last stable and the last nightly and clean tthe rest.
15:46:40 <gjanssens> we don't do that for the windows builds either
15:47:36 <gjanssens> The idea is that older versions can be installed as a way to bisect a bug without requiring build experience
15:48:47 <fell> I am talkin about my locale repo
15:49:15 <fell> my test builds before I commit changes.
15:49:24 <gjanssens> Oh, missed that.
15:50:06 <gjanssens> The brute force way is to just rm the repo directory and rebuild the one or two versions you wish to retain
15:50:52 <fell> I fear the builds then need more time?
15:51:03 <gjanssens> For a more fine-grained option, I need to experiment a bit.
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15:55:19 <gjanssens> Ok, you'll need a combination of a few commands
15:55:41 <gjanssens> Or rather, I'll add it to README.md :)
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15:56:06 <fell> That might be the easiest way.
15:56:30 <fell> I will test the instructions later. ;-)
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16:13:26 <gjanssens> fell: instructions are up
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16:20:30 <fell> thx
16:21:04 <gjanssens> jralls: a random housekeeping question
16:21:18 <gjanssens> The gnucash repo contains an xcodeproject file
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16:21:50 <gjanssens> Considering cmake can generate xcode projects, do we still want to keep that file under version control ?
16:22:21 <gjanssens> It's hopelessly outdated by now as it's still based on the source directory layout starting with src/
16:24:50 <gjanssens> It was added by mta in 2014 and last updated in 2017
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16:26:26 <jralls> gjanssens: Yes, I think we can remove it, though it would be polite to ask mta.
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16:29:59 <gjanssens> Sure, that would have been my next step :)
16:30:21 <gjanssens> Is he still monitoring the devel list or should I ping him in private ?
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16:37:29 <fell> I would use to:mta cc:gnucash-devel
16:38:01 <fell> The cleaning seems to work.
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16:40:31 <gjanssens> fell: that's indeed what I decided in the end. The mail has just been sent
16:40:38 <gjanssens> And nice the cleaning works :)
16:42:46 <fell> gjanssens: After Pedro (PT) we got another translator, who would prefer to use weblate. Your opinion?
16:43:20 <gjanssens> fell: no opinion right now.
16:43:43 <gjanssens> I do think a web based management system for translations would lower the barrier for many
16:44:02 <fell> But I dont want to be unpolite against the TP.
16:44:40 <gjanssens> But I don't know weblate or zanata or whatever well enough to be able to tell how to integrate them into our current tooling
16:45:47 <gjanssens> As for TP, while appreciated their service is pretty limited and leaves much to the translator to set up and manage.
16:46:06 <gjanssens> Having said that, we can keep the choice
16:46:16 <gjanssens> Languages that prefer the TP, can continue to use that
16:46:58 <gjanssens> Weblate, pootle, zanata, whatever on the other hand can be an online translation tool for other languages if they wish
16:47:46 <gjanssens> It would at least require a few experiments with either service
16:53:39 <fell> So our pl and pt translators would prefer weblate. Michal wanted to set it up with me while you were offline.
16:56:22 <fell> I said I wanted your and jralls consent before.
16:58:01 <fell> Michal had installed a local copy.
16:58:18 <jralls> fell: Aside from setting up with weblate, what's required? How do they submit translations?
16:59:18 <fell> We got it as PR624
16:59:56 <fell> It seems to integrate in git/github
17:02:55 <fell> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/624#issuecomment-570072199
17:05:34 <jralls> Sounds pretty reasonable and shouldn't conflict with TP or anyone who prefers poedit on their local system.
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17:08:23 <gjanssens> Do we want our own managed weblate version ?
17:09:14 <jralls> That would offer the most flexibility, especially since the gratis-for-libre option is limited to just one project. But that would require warlord or linas to set it up.
17:09:26 <gjanssens> That's why I asked.
17:09:48 <gjanssens> On an unrelated note it looks like webkit in flatpak has gained printing support
17:10:11 <jralls> Yay.
17:10:19 <gjanssens> On my fedora 31 system, I now get my printers listed when I run the 3.8b build from flathub.
17:11:04 <gjanssens> And with that happy note, I'll sign off for today.
17:11:07 <gjanssens> See you later!
17:11:44 <fell> CU
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17:17:58 <warlord> W.r.t. weblate, I don't object to setting it up.
17:18:13 <warlord> Should it be on code? Or be its own VM?
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17:26:17 <fell> warlord: https://docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/quick.html
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17:42:31 <fell> jralls: Each project can contain number of components and those contain translations into individual languages. The component corresponds to one translatable file (for example GNU Gettext or Android string resources). The projects are there to help you organize component into logical sets (for example to group all translations used within one application).
17:44:15 <jralls> fell But doesn't a project imply a single repo? We have gnucash, gnucash-on-windows, and gnucash-docs though at present the last two don't use gettext.
17:45:41 <fell> They support also other formats: https://docs.weblate.org/en/weblate-3.10/formats.html#translation-types-capabilities
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17:49:59 <fell> About component: A component is a grouping of something for translation. You enter a VCS repository location and file mask for which files you want translated, and Weblate automatically fetches from this VCS, and finds all matching translatable files.
17:52:29 <fell> From my unnderstanding you could have at least all coding/bundling projects as components in one weblate project.
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18:41:36 <iduno8912> Hello. I am keeping my personal books as well as business books in GnuCash. If I was to receive a gift from a family member into my personal checking, and then deposit that gift into my business checking, how would it reflect in my personal chart of accounts? I'm thinking the gift would come in from and income account labeled "gifts" and go out to an expense account labeled "capital contributions to business x". Is this a proper way
18:41:36 <iduno8912> doing it or would I use equity accounts? Thanks, i'm learning.
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20:12:34 <fell> iduno8912: If you think, you will get back something, if you sell or close your company, it in no expense, but an asset.
20:16:17 <fell> Each time, you use your private money for your company, you should 1. in your private book decrease cash and increase assets:MyCompany and 2. in your business books increase cash and equity.
20:18:41 <fell> And the reverse, if you use money of your company for private purposes.
20:19:58 <iduno8912> fell: I think I understand what you are saying. When you say decrease cash and increase Assets:MyCompany in my private books, in my case that means decreasing Assets:Current Assets:Checking Account and increasing Assets:Current Assets:MyCompany. Do I have that correct?
20:21:16 <fell> warlord, I just read, Redhat Enterprise Linux 8 (Suse, too) dropped docker support.
20:21:55 <fell> iduno8912: Yes
20:23:20 <fell> warlord, from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(Software)#Geschichte
20:28:04 <iduno8912> fell: Okay thanks. You said do the same in reverse, but when I've done a member distribution or draw to pay myself from the company, I have an Income:MyCompany:MemberDistribution account for that. You are saying instead I should be decreasing the Assets:CurrentAssets:MyCompany account instead? Or is using it company money for private purposes considered different that a Member Distribution? Thanks again
20:29:11 <fell> If you do it without an official distribution.
20:30:38 <fell> Your CPA will tell you the exact procedere for your country and copany form.
20:31:54 <fell> Example you used accidently your business card for a private buy.
20:33:19 <iduno8912> I see. Sounds like a seperate thing, I'll ask the CPA. So I'm guessing my current distribution setup is fine.
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21:09:17 <fell> jralls, I just watched, I can not start aqbanking from page 2 of tools->Online Banking Setup ...
21:10:10 <jralls> fell: With what builds of GnuCash, AQB, and Gwen?
21:10:48 <fell> neither Build ID: git 3.8b-47-gdf4b728db+(2020-01-14)
21:12:02 <fell> nor flatpack Build ID: git e91e84e+(2020-01-15)
21:12:04 <jralls> So Tuesday's maint. Is that one of your flatpaks or from the server?
21:13:19 <fell> my test build from this night
21:13:35 <fell> with
21:13:37 <fell> Versions:
21:13:38 <fell> AqBanking-CLI: 5.99.45
21:13:40 <fell> Gwenhywfar : 5.1.1.0
21:13:41 <fell> AqBanking : 5.99.45.0
21:14:31 <fell> On my system I have
21:14:32 <fell> Versions:
21:14:33 <fell> AqBanking-CLI: 5.99.44
21:14:35 <fell> Gwenhywfar : 4.99.25.0
21:14:36 <fell> AqBanking : 5.99.44.0
21:15:17 <jralls> aqbanking-cli doesn't matter. Does the same GnuCash code work outside of the flatpak?
21:17:19 <warlord> fell, I don't use docker.
21:17:26 <warlord> Does weblate require it?
21:17:49 <jralls> fell: GTG. I suggest you try asking cstim for help.
21:18:34 <fell> jralls: NP, will do so.
21:20:13 <fell> warlord: It is one variant to install it and you asked "Should it be on code? Or be its own VM?"
21:22:36 <fell> Somehow I mixed VM and docker.
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21:32:00 <fell> Found it in gnucash.trace: * 03:25:43 ERROR <gwenhywfar> syncio_file.c: 255: open(/home/frank/.aqbanking/settings6/aqbanking/config.conf, 0): Keine Berechtigung (no access rights)
21:33:04 <fell> All files have no rights for all 3 groups
21:33:56 <fell> I believe Martin has the fix already in his repo.
21:42:14 <fell> Yes: https://www.aquamaniac.de/rdm/issues/178
21:50:40 <fell> I will announce it on gnucash-de.
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22:05:57 <fell> So from my PoV https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-windows/pull/29 is OK.
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