2020-01-15 GnuCash IRC logs

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01:46:46 <chris> @tell gjanssens wish to ask favour -- can you copy the SET_ENUM from engine.i to core-utils.i ? I wish to SET_ENUM GNC-PREFS-GROUP-GENERAL and friends
01:46:46 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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03:06:35 <gjanssens> .
03:06:35 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 9 hours and 45 minutes ago: <jralls> There is indeed a 3.8 tag on 022975e1 to go with 3.8a and b. At this point I think the path of least harm is to just leave it that way.
03:06:36 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 9 hours and 17 minutes ago: <chris> re: category-barchart.scm I'd forgotten about the use of :variant record type during the (match-lambda) cleanup...
03:06:37 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 3 hours and 40 minutes ago: <chris> I hope the use of (ice-9 match) is self-explanatory. It can create some IMO concise and clean code. see (unmerged) https://pastebin.com/raw/wTbYA97w example.
03:06:38 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 1 hour and 19 minutes ago: <chris> wish to ask favour -- can you copy the SET_ENUM from engine.i to core-utils.i ? I wish to SET_ENUM GNC-PREFS-GROUP-GENERAL and friends
03:07:17 <gjanssens> @tell jralls understood.
03:07:17 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
03:08:31 <gjanssens> chris: SET_ENUM on maint or master ?
03:09:07 <chris> maint. it's to check formal-labels pref for 797572
03:11:04 <chris> I'll be querying GNC-PREFS-GROUP-GENERAL GNC-PREF-ACCOUNTING-LABELS
03:20:18 <chris> re: (ice-9 match) syntax... it's pervasive across guile sources, so it's not going anywhere ever
03:20:46 <chris> so I think it's a good syntax to use (where appropriate)
03:22:15 <chris> ok gtg now, thx in advance
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03:29:41 <gjanssens> chris: done
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04:35:55 <chris> thx gjanssens!
04:37:44 <gjanssens> you're welcome. I haven't added any actual conversion yet, but I trust you will be able to handle that part.
04:57:44 <chris> I'll add all of the prefs... don't want to discriminate...
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05:18:44 <gjanssens> :D
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06:18:43 <chris> the (ice-9 match) syntax looks like another lisp variant initially
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06:26:36 <gjanssens> chris: I note you have used '(use-modules (sw_core_utils))'
06:26:56 <gjanssens> That's ok on maint (and probably the only sane thing to do as well)
06:27:37 <gjanssens> On master however that should be changed to '(use-modules (gnucash core-utils))' as that is intended to be the single entry point for all core-utils wrappers
06:27:54 <gjanssens> I'm mentioning this just so you can help me remember this on the next push to master
06:27:58 <gjanssens> :)
06:39:25 <gjanssens> Same goes for loading the report system and standard reports by the way
06:43:13 <chris> noted, thanks
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07:30:47 <chris> match-let and match, expanded :-o https://pastebin.com/raw/BrKGmAJq
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08:25:52 <chris> 797577 sigh
08:26:23 <chris> ^ for this to be completely fixed I'd really want to disable grouping/sorting by 'other-account-name/code''
08:31:29 <gjanssens> chris: ?
08:34:08 <chris> because sorting by other-account completely messes up the totals
08:34:32 <chris> it's about transaction report - it doesn't currently sign-reverse incomes for subtotals
08:35:47 <chris> this is because: grouping by account-name is ok; from the account we can sign-reverse
08:36:17 <chris> when grouping by other-account-name the reversal becomes very unclear
08:48:57 <gjanssens> Do you calculate the totals yourself or do you get them from C code ?
08:49:13 <chris> it's within the report itself
08:49:22 <chris> it's been like that since forever
08:50:41 <gjanssens> Hmm, then why can't the report simply use the signs as they are set for the individual transactions ?
08:51:33 <gjanssens> I think the intuitive thing would be if you see -5, 12, 6, -3, you'd expect the total to be 10
08:52:06 <gjanssens> So to me it doesn't matter whether the accounts are sorted per income/expense etc groups
08:52:20 <gjanssens> The total should just reflect the sum of what's in that subsection
08:52:30 <gjanssens> No ?
08:53:52 <chris> true, but what if they have selected both income and expense accounts for report, all showing positive numbers?
08:54:27 <gjanssens> Ok, I see the point
08:55:17 <chris> the patch I've attached will fix it for the most common use, 'group by account' and I don't know what it does for 'group by other-account'
08:55:28 <chris> I'd like to get rid of the latter
08:55:59 <gjanssens> Though I presume the issue will present itself in all cases where grouping is not on account ?
08:56:13 <chris> maybe
08:57:13 <chris> if they group by e.g. monthly dates, and all January are incomes and all February is expense, nobody is surprised that tot(Jan) is negative and tot(Exp) is positive, and tot(Overall) is somewhere inbetween
08:57:47 <chris> if they group by e.g. monthly dates, and all January are incomes and all February is expense, nobody is surprised that tot(Jan) is negative and tot(Feb*) is positive, and tot(Overall) is somewhere inbetween
08:58:18 <chris> only sort by account causes surprise when income=-ve
09:00:37 <gjanssens> Even with date sorting/grouping this looks odd when income=-ve
09:00:41 <gjanssens> At least to me
09:01:06 <gjanssens> In my example I have a mixture of incomes and expenses in all months, but all numbers show positive
09:01:59 <gjanssens> So with date sorting/monthly grouping I get all positive numbers and a total that may be positive or negative depeding on whether I had more income or expenses
09:02:05 <gjanssens> That's still weird to look at.
09:02:23 <chris> hmm yeah doesn't look good...
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09:03:02 <gjanssens> Here's a completely different suggestion to get out of this conundrum:
09:03:51 <gjanssens> While generating the report you can deduce the following information: which sign reversal strategy is chosen and which account types will hence be reversed
09:05:33 <gjanssens> If the list of selected accounts holds a mix of reversed and unreversed accounts, print a warning at the top of the bottom of the report explaining the chosen reversal strategy and account selection makes it impossible to generate reliable totals
09:05:57 <gjanssens> And with that out of the way, simply sum all totals taking sign reversals into account
09:06:23 <gjanssens> I don't think we can do sensible things in all possible combinations, so leave it to the user to interpret the results.
09:06:45 <chris> a radical fix is to enforce amount=double :)
09:06:59 <chris> no more problems
09:07:37 <gjanssens> True. Though I suspect not all users would want that.
09:11:29 <chris> the patch i've posted does the reversal for group-by accounts though; a warning for other-accounts would be useful
09:11:32 <chris> I think
09:12:36 <chris> (btw i'm quite happy with new-owner-report now but will need to rethink the partial-contributory-amounts one -- all my experiments are fruitless for now
09:13:02 <gjanssens> Not only other-accounts. All cases where transactions of different accounts can end up in the same subtotal should be considered.
09:13:18 <gjanssens> group-by accounts is in fact the only case where this won't happen.
09:14:08 <chris> ok. for now I can't twist my brain about that but will experiment again (2.5yrs later!)
09:17:38 <gjanssens> :)
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10:55:45 <warlord> .
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15:20:46 <gjanssens> fell_laptop: getting back to the missing "GnuCash Project" entry in gnucash.pot
15:20:59 <gjanssens> If I generate a potfile from the current maint, it does have this entry.
15:21:28 <gjanssens> I have seen several recent translation updates have removed this string from the various *.po files
15:22:08 <gjanssens> That suggests these po files were merged with a pot file that doesn't have that msgid.
15:22:50 <gjanssens> I don't know why that would be. There are no indications in the source repo to omit this.
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15:24:03 <gjanssens> gnucash.pot on the translation project https://translationproject.org/POT-files/gnucash-3.8.pot has the msgid as well.
15:24:39 <gjanssens> As does the 3.7 version on the same location
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15:31:22 <warlord> weird
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16:04:56 <fell> gjanssens: Strange, I just built gnucash.pot and the last appdata.xml.in.in entry is 22: "Exchange by CSV..."
16:05:26 <fell> 23:"Perform financial calculations..."
16:06:30 <gjanssens> fell: what git commit are you at ?
16:07:22 <fell> commit e91e84e
16:07:41 <fell> Bug 797569 - Swedish account templates not accessible
16:08:33 <gjanssens> Ok, what is your gettext version ?
16:09:12 <fell> 0.19.8.1
16:11:15 <gjanssens> It seems like that version doesn't know the 'developer_name' xml node
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16:11:41 <gjanssens> Just tried on my Windows box (which is also at 0.19.8.1) and the generated pot is missing the same entry :(
16:12:50 <gjanssens> Yep, according to the git history of the gettext package this was only added for gettext 0.20
16:13:12 <fell> but we had it before
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16:16:39 <gjanssens> We still have it. It all depends on which version of gettext was used to generate the pot file used by the translators.
16:18:31 <gjanssens> developer_name was added for the 3.7 release
16:18:52 <gjanssens> The pot file on translation project has the msgid for both the 3.7 and the 3.8 releases
16:19:18 <gjanssens> However if you generate your own pot file for translation work using 0.19.8.1, your pot file won't have that msgid
16:19:24 <fell> So 1. it is not our fault. 2. I can not rely on my gnucash.pot.
16:20:01 <gjanssens> Similarly cstim may have generated a pot file with an older gettext when he did his mass updates and hence removing the msgid from all po files.
16:20:14 <gjanssens> Yes and yes
16:20:26 <gjanssens> Sorry about that...
16:20:31 <fell> Yep
16:20:45 <gjanssens> Got to leave now. See you later...
16:20:55 <fell> OK
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18:29:10 <chris> warlord: gtg now but would you know off hand a shortcut way to retrieve all owners in book?
18:35:41 <warlord> chris, I think you have to search individually all customers, all vendors, all employees, and then all jobs.
18:38:17 <chris> using qofSomething
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20:02:27 <warlord> chris, qofQuery, yes. Not sure there is another API to "list all".
20:02:38 <warlord> (it was designed NOT to have a list-of-all, honestly)
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