2020-01-09 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:57:54 <fell> @tell mihi you did not say, which method you are using: FinTS/HBCI, dirctOFX, ...
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10:37:26 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Hello there
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10:39:13 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Is there anyone who can answer a few of my queries regarding gnucash-guile please?
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10:39:25 <peanutbutterandcrackers> s/anyone/anyone here/
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10:47:39 <peanutbutterandcrackers> I have asked this before but everytime something happens and I have not been able to know if this has been answered or not even... but how well is guile integrated with gnucash?
10:48:00 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Is guile and gnucash like emacs and emacslisp, or is guile just relegated to reports?
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11:01:08 <warlord> peanutbutterandcrackers, most (but not all) of the GnuCash API is available to guile. But it's not integrated in the same way that elisp is in emacs. Most of gnucash functionality is in C.
11:01:22 <warlord> there are only really two major pieces of gnucash written in scheme: QIF Import and Reports.
11:04:44 <peanutbutterandcrackers> warlord, Hello there, thank you very much for your time. I love GNUCash and use it a lot. But trying to use it for my family's small business has been a hassle. (Too much payment-related work). I did write a python script to automate the task - 1. input data to spreadsheet and then run script to input it into gnucash - but it seems I need to do something more user-friendly
11:05:39 <peanutbutterandcrackers> ... what I hope to be able to do is: have a tab: just like customers tab, but extend it so that one can input the amount of purchase the person made...
11:06:40 <peanutbutterandcrackers> It's basically like a spreadsheet-like-thingy inside of GNUCash. Not entirely. But you click on the person's name, you enter the amount of milk they took this day (dairy) and check (or leave unchecked) the 'paid-in-cash' button and it does the thing automatically
11:06:55 <peanutbutterandcrackers> 20/30 customers and that's a lot of time saved.
11:07:21 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Now. My question is: is it possible? Or should I start searching for something else?
11:08:24 <peanutbutterandcrackers> It does not matter how inconvenient it is. I want to learn to make the machine do my bidding, as they say. And I love Free Software (GNUCash). So, even if it takes a few more months and a dozen more books, I would like to learn and do it - if it is possible.
11:09:00 <peanutbutterandcrackers> And, I will also document it. For other users. I promise. I just need the guidance.
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11:15:38 <warlord> I.... don't think that will be possible using guile alone.
11:18:22 <peanutbutterandcrackers> warlord, guile does have ways interfaces to gtk using gobject introspection... What else would one need to do that? And, may I ask if the developers might make it possible for the users to go sky-is-the-limit with guile on gnucash in the future? (Publicly logged channel and my stupid n00b questions: I am going to be so embarressed in the next 20/30 years.)
11:18:55 <warlord> You'll be more embarrassed by your nick than the questions you are asking ;)
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11:20:24 <warlord> yes, guile has gtk/gobject introspection, which you might be able to load separately into it behind gnucash. But you wont have direct access to the gnucash GtkWindow* object to hook into anything, which is why I say it wont be possible with guile alone.
11:23:45 <peanutbutterandcrackers> warlord, I see. Oh, yeah. Probably. It hasn't gotten to me yet - how weird the name is. :D I see. That's sad. Do you think in future versions it might be possible? I was asking this same thing over at #guile in freenode and was told that the gnucash devs are divided regarding guile adoption...
11:24:51 <peanutbutterandcrackers> As for me, being a n00b, and hearing all the things about how great emacs is because of emacslisp (one could theoritically put a man on the moon from it, and there are people talking in IRC all from within emacs)... I was hoping I could do the same with GNUCash...
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11:26:28 <peanutbutterandcrackers> If it is possible, I hope the devs do give us technically inclined users the freedom to do whatever we want with the program. I could even think of running a business based solely on extending GNUCash for small-medium businesses. I don't know. The possibilities seem to be so limitless with guile
11:26:42 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Or maybe it's just my lack-of-knowledge talking...
11:28:42 <warlord> About a decade ago (or more), "gnucash" was literally a guile script that pulled together a bunch of modules. That is no longer the case.
11:29:22 <warlord> GnuCash does include a guile interpreter, but there are well-defined interfaces. SOME things are hookable from Scheme, but some things are not.
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11:29:59 <warlord> For example, you can certainly extend the Reports menu from scheme. And there is an experimental menu that you can extend from scheme. But in general, those menus are hard-coded in the C code.
11:33:42 <peanutbutterandcrackers> I see. I was reading this: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/guile.html#Linking-Guile-with-Libraries Section 5.7.5 says how the devs can allow the users the maximum freedom of doing things basically like in emacs... I was really hoping we had that with GNUCash.
11:35:18 <peanutbutterandcrackers> If it is possible, and if you can relay this to other devs, sir, I - for one - would be really happy if I could turn GNUCash into an IRC client or send a man to the moon with.
11:35:25 <warlord> once you get into the guile, you of course have full guile functionality, but that may not have access to all the underlying C objects within GnuCash.
11:35:46 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Could we hope that in the future GNUCash will give us more freedom with extensions?
11:35:52 <warlord> I dont think the current devs will accept that. BUt feel free to bring it up on gnucash-devel
11:36:10 <warlord> That's the right place for this discussion.
11:37:04 <peanutbutterandcrackers> I see. But being a n00b who hasn't yet written extensions for anything except GIMP, I wonder if I can convince the devs. But anyways, I will try. And my email address (from sixth grade) is way more cringier, still. :/
11:37:48 <warlord> Hahah... I didn't have true email until college. (in 6th grade I was still using BBSes over 300-baud modems)
11:38:05 <warlord> BUT I still use the same email address today that I got back in 1989.
11:38:12 <warlord> (although I use others, too)
11:40:07 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Well I wasn't born until 1995. And I was on a dial-up, I think. And have only been programming seriously for a few years now (hobbystically, still). Time to leave more stupid digital foot-prints then. Hope future GNUCash users using IRC from within gnucash will be proud of me. :)
11:40:38 <peanutbutterandcrackers> Also, warlord - Thank you very much for your time and patience, good sir. :)
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11:44:07 <warlord> you're welcome, peanutbutterandcrackers
11:44:10 <warlord> (and now I'm hungry)
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12:04:34 <peanutbutterandcrackers> :)
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