2020-01-05 GnuCash IRC logs
00:00:46 <fell> About the special character, I think "_" the gettext macro prefix would be a good choice.
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06:54:18 <xtops> Hi there, i'm using gnucash 3.8 (flatpak) on kde.neon.5.17 And i tried to retreive the Bank account revenues. (in german...) All looks good, see here: https://pastebin.com/ZyH10F65 But suddenly there is a Error-Message stating: "Error executing the job" Status: rejected (5) [close]
06:55:44 <xtops> What can i do? Why is this? Because i have to import a lot of data.... Any help is greatly apprecited... in german would be perfect... Many thanks in advance.
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07:29:06 <fell> Kleinen Moment noch, xtops!
07:31:19 <fell> @tell gjanssens In https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/commit/cc222515a38fcb34cdd96a38e7da72f313a7c81e#diff-f569a63e90487a31ff0b83b8420071d8 you removed gnucash.appdata.xml.in from POTFILES.in, resulting in <developer_name>GnuCash Project</developer_name> untranslated.
07:31:19 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
07:33:14 * fell versucht das Log zu verstehen ...
07:36:10 <fell> Das Log sieht doch gut aus. Sind die Buchungen denn in deiner Gnucash-Datei angekommen?
07:37:33 <fell> xtops?
07:37:43 <xtops> Danke @fell ich finde auch dass das log gut aus sieht, deshalb ist es mir um so unerklärlicher, dass dann die Fehlermeldung kommt und NICHTS in Gnucash angekommen ist....
07:37:57 <xtops> Das ist ja gerade mein Problem....
07:41:29 <xtops> Nach dem schönen log kommt nur ein neues Fenster mit dieser Option: Fehler beim ausführen des Auftrags. Status: rejected (5) [Schließen]
07:42:29 <xtops> Bin echt am Ende.... melde mich aber später wieder, da ich noch etwas vor habe. Danke einstweilen.
07:43:03 <fell> Ich fürchte, da mußt du mal auf gnucash-de fragen, Etwa mit Betreff: Fiduca, "mobile TAN" (942) nach "Buchung wird hinzugefügt" Status: rejected (5)
07:44:18 <xtops> Du meinst auf irc #gnucash-de ?
07:44:58 <fell> Nein, https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-de
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07:46:22 <xtops> Drum, das gibts ja nicht.... ;-) Danke fell ! .......... Oh mann, dass immer ich diese Scheisse am Hals haben muss....
07:46:54 <fell> Always walk on the right side of Life!
07:47:06 <fell> bright
07:47:39 <xtops> Where is this? ah ... different...
07:47:51 <fell> Suchndas mal auf youtube, wenn du es nicht kennst.
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07:48:53 <xtops> Doch ich kenne es, ist aber leichter gesagt als getan... imho nicht Praxistauglich...
07:49:57 <fell> wenn die das am Kreuz hinkrigen, wirst du das aauch mit der Fiduca schaffen! ;-)
07:51:05 <fell> Aber ich habe überhaupt keine Ahnung, was da schief läuft.
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07:52:51 <fell> Wenn da in den nchsten Tagen keiner antwortet, mach einen Bugreport auf!
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07:54:23 <xtops> Danke, echt seltsam das.... Und Ja, mach ich... Jetzt geh ich aber erst noch in die Sauna, bevor die zu macht.... Schönen Tag dir!
07:54:44 <fell> Danke gleichfalls!
07:56:41 <fell> xtops: https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/HBCI#Fehlersuche
07:57:28 <fell> Das gnucash.trace wäre interessant
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08:05:04 <fell> For the logs xtops reported a rejection after AqHBCI finished successful.
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09:02:15 <chris> jralls https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2020-01/msg00018.html
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09:08:03 <naquad> hi
09:08:56 <naquad> is there a recommended guide on how to use gnucash? official docs don't help at all
09:09:32 <naquad> in particular i'm struggling with double bookkeeping to somehow log the wage but it still wants the source account and i get imbalance :(
09:11:04 <chris> naquad: wages are rather complex with multiple payments... what do you wish to record from your wages?
09:11:41 <chris> describe a typical wages transaction
09:12:24 <naquad> i want to set up a number of recurrent transactions (salary, rent, other expenses) and get projections. for now i'm stuck on the step to actually add a transaction to income. it still tries to transfer from some account but that's definitely not the case
09:13:59 <chris> are you doing via Scheduled Transactions, or the regular Register
09:18:05 <naquad> i'm trying a regular register and then i want to schedule a transaction
09:19:33 <chris> well for Wages you usually want a simple transfer from Income to an Asset account
09:22:01 <naquad> ah so instead of trying to create transaction in the income type account itself i just transfer from it right?
09:23:39 <chris> you can create from Asset register, or from Income register... it's mentally easier create from Asset register
09:27:11 <naquad> seems working :) thank you
09:27:19 <naquad> gnucash is seriously missing some tutorials and guides
09:27:46 <fell> naquad>
09:28:40 <fell> you saw https://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3&lang=C&doc=guide ?
09:31:54 <chris> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=gnucash%2Btutorials%2Band%2Bguides
09:32:06 <naquad> fell, this didn't really help
09:34:53 <fell> File bugs, about the parts you did not understand, so that we can improve it.
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09:47:18 <naquad> i've purchased something for X and i want to sell it for Y where X<Y. how do i express that in gnucash?
09:48:52 <chris> Expense:Purchase->Asset, Asset->Income:Sales
09:49:05 <chris> note Gnucash does definitely *not* do inventory management
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09:55:48 <naquad> it's either i'm not getting it or doing something wrong: i've got an asset "resell" there are 2 transactions, now i'm trying to transfer the cash back to account along with extra and gnucash is substracting the extra from another item. this makes as i'm not seeing any way to actually mark transaction in a special way. so what am i doing wrong?
09:56:40 <chris> do screenshot and post to imgur
09:57:47 <naquad> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/ch08s08.html i've found this one and it seems i follow what it says but then i'm missing the clarify of transaction :/ i'll have to create an extra account
09:58:20 <naquad> s/the clarify/the clarity
10:00:10 <fell> 1: cash -> commodities: x
10:01:02 <naquad> i've got no idea what do you mean by that
10:02:29 <chris> do screenshot and post to imgur
10:02:50 <fell> 2: Sale: cash= cash + Y; commodity = commodity -x; income= income (Y-X)
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10:04:00 <fell> + (x-y)
10:04:31 <fell> oops, inc + (y-x)
10:07:24 <fell> In step 1 you exchange cash against commodity for amoount x
10:07:53 <fell> your buy, cost neutral
10:08:19 <chris> fell are you sure introducing commodities is the best idea for a newbie?
10:08:47 <fell> in step 2 your commodity gets reduced again by x
10:09:04 <naquad> this is a super complicated way of solving a super simple thing i must say
10:09:10 <fell> you get y in cash
10:09:22 <chris> naquad depending what you are trading-- are they shop-type, i.e. hundreds of different items to be sold for profit? or commodity-type i.e. a few items at a highly variable market-let price?
10:09:41 <chris> fell is describing commodities like grain, gold, stock
10:09:49 <fell> to balance the transaction, you earn the diference as profit.
10:10:11 <chris> a simple shop with purchase/sale/profit would not benefit from stock accounts
10:10:26 <fell> or loss, if y is smaller than x
10:11:47 <chris> so, what exactly is naquad selling?
10:12:37 <fell> Ah, chris is searching new pportunities? ;-)
10:12:37 <naquad> considering that i've spent almost 3 hours trying to set up some pretty simple structure and still it is not working as expected i can say that gnucash is not for me and i'll go look for some other options. thank you for the help though.
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10:13:04 <chris> oh well
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11:29:44 <xtops> @fell So bin wieder zurück. Hab jetzt noch ein anders Konto (DKB) ausprobiert und da ist es (wie [anfangs?] auch beim PSD-Konto so, dass die Zuordnung von Onlin-Banking Kontoname nicht abgespeichert wird und beim Kontenabgleich sofort die Meldung: "Die Online-Aktion "Umsatzabruf" ist für dieses Konto nicht verfügbar. [Schließen] " kommt....
11:29:44 <gncbot> xtops: Error: No closing quotation
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11:34:05 <xtops> Ist das normal? Oder müsste nicht beim Erneuten Aufruf von "Onlinebanking Einrichtung>>Online-Banking Konten mit GnuCash Konten zuordnen" die vorhergehende Zuordnung Sichtbar gespeichert sein??
11:34:53 <xtops> Bin sehr irritiert von dem Verhalten des Programms....
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12:10:09 <xtops> @fell Und wie bekome ich das gnucash.trace von nem flatpack ? ich kann es leider leider nicht auf dem cli aufrufen....
12:10:09 <gncbot> xtops: Error: "fell" is not a valid command.
12:10:30 <fell> xtops, beim Konfigurieren muß ein Schritt wiederholt werden, siehe https://www.aquamaniac.de/rdm/projects/aqbanking/wiki/AqBanking6
12:11:24 <fell> Also die DKB hat heute jemand hingekriegt: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2020-January/011305.html
12:12:57 <fell> Nur zur info: Zeilen,die mit / beginnen, sind für den einen oder anderen Server, die mit @ für unseren bot.
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12:18:58 <xtops> fell: danke für die bot-tips. Aber der aquamaniac Link sagt mir jetzt nix bezüglich der Speicherung der Kontenverküpfung.... Habd das auch eben nochmal unter windows10 probiert, da funktioniert die Speicherung der Zuordnung auch nicht und ich kann entsprechend auch keinen Umsatzabruf machen... :-(
12:19:22 <xtops> Jetz probier ich noch die DKB unter win10...
12:19:58 <fell> flatpak run --command=sh org.gnucash.GnuCash öffnet eine shell
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12:21:49 <fell> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Flatpak#aqbanking-cli_und_andere_Befehlszeilen-Werkzeuge_aufrufen
12:27:15 <fell> @tell gjanssens The flathub version is named 3.8b+ insted of 3.8b.
12:27:15 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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12:34:56 <xtops> fell: das mit der flatpak shell bring nix, da ich da keinen strace habe...
12:35:37 <xtops> Und unter windows werden die Kontenverknüpfungen auch nicht gespeichert.... Das kann doch nicht wahr sein oder??
12:35:52 <fell> Den S(tack)trace interessiert uns nur bei einem Absturz.
12:36:25 <fell> Wir brauchen /temp/gnucash.trace
12:37:37 <xtops> was meinst du dann mit gnucash.trace ? Wobei mir das jetzt eher egal ist... mich wundert nur, dass die kontenverknüpfungen offenbar nicht gespeichert werden... oder?
12:39:22 <fell> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2020-January/011304.html
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12:41:45 <fell> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/Feedback#Die_normale_GnuCash_Protokoll-Datei_.trace
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13:02:42 <xtops> fell: Danke für die Tipps, daber das verwirrt mich leider noch mehr, da es in genannten Verzeichnis(en) keine .xml-Dateien gibt und auch die Pfadangaben anders sind... es gibt nur zig .conf und ich blicke langsam nicht mehr durch.... Ganz zu schweigen vom Windows, das ja auch nicht funktioniert.... :-((
13:04:28 <fell> Guck mal in Datei->Speichern unter, welches Backend (xml oder irgendein SQL) du ver wendest.
13:06:58 <fell> Falls xml, in Bearbeiten->Einstellungen, komprimiert speichern deaktivieren und nach dem Speichern ist deine Gnucash-datei eine XML-Datei.
13:08:02 <fell> gunzip <Name>.gnucash <Zielname> ginge auch als 2.
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13:33:50 <mike386> Hello, everyone! I'm trying to implement progress bar while loading a file (I'm using a Python binding) and I'm stuck on how to pass QofPercentageFunc to Session.load(). Can I ask for help or advice here?
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13:39:04 <mike386> Hello, everyone! I'm trying to implement progress bar while loading a file (I'm using a Python binding) and I'm stuck on how to pass QofPercentageFunc to Session.load(). Can I ask for help or advice here?
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13:52:45 <xtops> fell: ich habe die einstellungen auf xml - unkomprimiert vorgenommen, aber es finden sich weder xml-dateien, noch sind die .gnucash Dateien xml-Dateien... jetzt blick ich dann bald gar nix mehr...
13:56:45 <xtops> Ich kanns einfach nicht gleuben, dass der aqbank abruf anscheinen funktioniert, aber seltsamerwesie weder eine eisntellung der Konten-Verknüpfung, doch der Import der Daten in gnucash funktioniert... und das auch noch unter windows UND linux....
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13:58:27 <Ernie> Hello
13:58:43 <Ernie> Is anyone here?
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14:01:48 <Ernie> In the report expense over time (expense chart) I only get 11 expense categories. For some reason It doesnt who all the categories. I unselected 1 of the categories that does appear and now it shows 10 categories. Seems that the report isnt picking up the others categories. I checked the account types and they are all setup as expenses which for what I know
14:01:57 <Ernie> is the correct account type.
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14:04:33 <Ernie> When I put to show all levels it does show more than 11 categories but still not the couple that doesnt appear originally
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14:21:10 <fell> xtops: deine Gnucash-Datei ist eine xml-Datei. öffne sii doch jetzt mal mit einem Text-Editor.
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14:25:20 <fell> Chris, do you have time for Ernie? BTW where is Bert?
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14:26:44 <fell> Off for today, bye!
14:28:43 <jralls> fell: I checked and fixed all comments that started with [Tt]rans and didn't refer to transactions.
14:30:11 <fell> jralls, I will tomorrow review a diff of gnucash.pot before and after your changeset.
14:31:36 <jralls> fell: A single character is perhaps too error prone. How about "<T>" or "<_>"?
14:32:33 <jralls> fell As for translator comments that don't lead with [Ttrans], how would anyone know, including translators, considering that thousands of lines of noise comments in the potfile?
14:34:07 <fell> That was often the reason for me to review the code. ;-)
14:34:51 <fell> I believe, I had most noise erased.
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14:35:28 <jralls> OK
14:36:38 <fell> I left a few places remain as they were informatve for both, coders and translators.
14:40:22 <jralls> If you were depending on line breaks inside the function call or blank lines between the comment and the gettext _( call to keep the comments out of the potfile, that doesn't work.
14:41:21 <jralls> Maybe it did with intltool, but gettext ignores whitespaces.
14:41:56 <fell> c = _("Texxt)
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14:42:29 <jralls> Huh?
14:42:31 <fell> you can break in: /* Noise */
14:42:36 <fell> C=
14:42:50 <fell> _("Text")
14:43:38 <fell> and the noise disappears from gnucash.pot
14:43:46 <jralls> Nope.
14:44:04 <fell> At when I last tested it.
14:45:24 <jralls> OK, not any more then. There were several instances of something like /*keep the line break below to keep this out of gnucash.pot*/ (I don't remember the exact text, but it's in the diff) in gnucsh.pot.
14:46:18 <jralls> Maybe gettext changed, but Benno complained about it and recommended the "Translators" filter.
14:47:25 <fell> That is from the manual.
14:49:00 <fell> jralls, did he mention which version they are using at TP?
14:49:18 <jralls> I guess you could file a bug if you can stand Gnu's bug tracker. I can't. But frankly I think having a specific "include this in the potfile" token is better than whitespace tricks anyway.
14:50:37 <jralls> No, but I'm using 0.19.8.1 in Debian Buster and I got the same result, tons of comments that had nothing to do with translations.
14:52:34 <fell> Yes, same version on opensuse tumbleweed.
14:54:05 <fell> Anyway, bed time for me. See you!
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14:55:42 <jralls> Unfortunately since it's documented that the comment and the actual string must be in adjacent lines it's probably a bug that they'll fix, so we have to be careful about whitespace regardless.
14:56:48 <jralls> Heh, the manual also says 'Place comment blocks starting with tag and preceding keyword lines in the output file." They mean *succeeding* instead of preceding.
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