2019-11-23 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:42:28 <fell> @tell Robert847 Are you sure you didn't manage to move the "Save as" window in the background ir minimize it?
03:42:28 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
03:55:02 <Simon> if you switch account tabs while it's saving it won't re-enable the menus
03:55:40 <Simon> oh, that has been fixed
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07:36:11 <oliver> do you know some workaround for the account assignment issue (https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797432)?
07:37:21 <oliver> I'm really stuck at that point. Can I make any hacky changes in my Gnucash or AqB settings to get online banking working?
07:38:40 <oliver> do you have a hint where the account assignment is stored on disk, so that I could manually edit that?
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09:22:47 <chris> gjanssens I believe the rant in html-document#L265 about font-face font-size font-color is justified; there's no real use of these tags in code. only hello-world.scm has 'font-color. I think - deprecate!
09:23:36 <chris> this will dramatically trim style code
09:24:28 <gjanssens> Seems reasonable to me.
09:24:34 <gjanssens> Please do
09:25:16 <chris> \o/
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09:59:32 <chris> ... and now ninja check master
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10:20:18 <gjanssens> chris: on my system your new aging report throws errors on master
10:20:33 <gjanssens> The errors don't show up on ninja check though...
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10:22:58 <gjanssens> https://paste.centos.org/view/24b04269
10:25:53 <chris> ah it's sorting gncOwner's guids. does your APAR acct have an invalid invoice?
10:30:39 <gjanssens> What should an invalid invoice look like ?
10:31:31 <chris> hmm a APAR split without owner. maybe i need to filter a bit better.
10:31:34 <chris> may be a regular split.
10:32:45 <gjanssens> Oh, ok. I think we should cope with such splits indeed.
10:32:48 <chris> iiuc shouldn't happen.... APAR splits filtered for txn-type-invoice and txn-type-payment; each analysed via split->owner to find owner
10:33:00 <chris> so, regular splits shouldn't be shown
10:34:50 <gjanssens> Is the e829579babdeca24d2b041105f81f8fb the guid of the split that's being tested or an owner guid ?
10:34:56 <chris> owner-guid
10:35:10 <chris> for testing add the following lines before the ;; loop into each APAR account split
10:35:53 <chris> (for-each (lambda (split owner) (gnc:pk split owner)) acc-splits split-owners)
10:36:09 <chris> actually no
10:36:22 <chris> (for-each (lambda (split owner) (gnc:pk split owner)) acc-splits split-owners) must be inserted as follows:
10:38:02 <chris> https://paste.centos.org/view/3da7ddf2
10:39:28 <chris> ^ dumps the splits, and split->owner output
10:39:44 <chris> splits should be invoice or payment only, not regular
10:40:16 <gjanssens> let me check
10:43:30 <chris> ninja check won't detect errors of that sort... because there's no 100% coverage of reports tackling weird data. but from my understanding txn-type-invoice and txn-type-payment *should* have owner, therefore it shouldn't crash
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10:44:34 <gjanssens> There's one split that gives [None,] rather than [Customer:name]
10:44:42 <gjanssens> https://i.imgur.com/UIMrSOn.png
10:44:44 <chris> bingo.
10:46:07 <gjanssens> Bingo, in that this can happen and your report should be able to cope with it :(
10:46:26 <chris> split->owner is a simplified version of gnc:owner-from-split which is more comprehensive in analysing the split.
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10:51:59 <chris> it would be worthwhile attaching the .xml snippet for that particular transaction in a bug report and I'll see how split->owner should find owner.
10:52:01 <gjanssens> Right. This is an interesting transaction :)
10:52:49 <gjanssens> I don't expect ordinary users to have one like this - it has splits in both an AR and an AP account
10:52:55 <chris> ahaha
10:53:00 <gjanssens> This makes no sense obviously
10:53:17 <gjanssens> But nothing prevents the user from creating such a weird transaction.
10:54:24 <gjanssens> (Well it would make sense for business relations that are both a vendor and a customer and you'd pay one of their bills with one of their invoices. We don't have code to support that right now).
10:55:21 <gjanssens> It would be nice though if your report would not crash on this, again as there's no code to prevent the user from creating such a transaction.
10:56:28 <chris> It'll be easy to make it not crash, but what owner should it report?
10:56:53 <chris> I guess it's a payment to Vendor with split in AR account
10:57:43 <chris> easiest is to do: "(split-owners (filter identity (map split->owner acc-splits)))" which ignores that Vendor.
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11:01:33 <chris> have a thought... or bug report with testcase datafile. I think I've nailed every foreign-currency business transaction, but not AP<->AR type txn-type-invoice/payment splits. gtg now sleep.
11:03:29 <gjanssens> Ok
11:03:35 <gjanssens> I'll write a bug report
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11:07:37 <zako> hi, just a question about PSD2 in Europe... I don't know anything about PSD2 law but do you think it will provide a common API/Interface to all European banks to download our data from banks so that we can import it more easily to Gnucash?
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13:47:08 <jralls> zako: No. PSD2 is a requirement that EU banks implement 2-factor authentication for online banking. For GnuCash's purposes it affects only Germany's FinTS.
13:49:30 <zako> jralls: I thought it enfored open banking... because since PSD2 is required there are a lot of discussion about openbanking and APIs provided by banks for fintech and third party applications
13:49:48 <jralls> No such luck.
13:50:31 <zako> :-(
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13:55:17 <jralls> Think about how much political capital had to go in to even creating the ECB after the 2009 crash. EU-wide open banking would require aligning member states' banking laws to an extent that the various national banking industries would fight to the last lobbyist.
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16:55:50 <Robert847> Update on my problem with the disappearing splash window. That is exactly what it is. In Ubuntu Linux 18.04, GnuCash 2.6.19 [This copy was built from rev c1b5e6c8d+ on 2018-04-09], which I know is no longer supported, but probably is not changed is this part of the code, has the following oddity:
16:55:50 <gncbot> Robert847: Sent 13 hours and 13 minutes ago: <fell> Are you sure you didn't manage to move the Save as window in the background ir minimize it?
16:59:20 <Robert847> Fell, if you were referring to my problem yesterday with the 'frozen' GnuCash, I doubt it, because I was also tryiing to use Alt-Tab to see what was stilll working in this OS.
17:04:05 <Robert847> Back to the disappearing splash screen, it appears but has no border to click on to move it out of the way to see the object under it. When I click on the splash screen it disappears. Then I see nothing relating to GnuCash fo a very long time until the Since Last Run window finally appears. That may be minutes later. By then I have concluded that GnuCash crashed and try to restart it. Then the File Already open dialog appears
17:04:07 <Robert847> e the belated SLR even appears.
17:06:13 <Robert847> So I think the problem is that the splash screen disappears when clicked on, and nothing replaces it.
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17:09:51 * Simon uses a patch to keep the splash screen on the taskbar
17:10:51 <Simon> if it's taking several minutes to load the only option I can suggest is a faster CPU :/
17:11:10 <Simon> unless you leave several reports open because they all have to render before the splash process finishes
17:11:49 <Robert847> Is the task bar the bar on the left with the permanent shortcuts?
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17:15:01 <Robert847> yes, I have several reports too. This happens to be in a Virtualbox machine with 8 Gig of Ram assigned to it. Is that patch committed to 3.7 or earlier?
17:22:08 <Robert847> If not, will it be in 3.8?
17:41:45 <Simon> no, it's a local change
17:42:07 <Simon> and I did it for Ubuntu Xenial... on Ubuntu Bionic the behaviour has changed again so it's not quite as helpful
17:42:35 <Simon> ideally there should be a seamless single active taskbar button throughout the process so it doesn't keep starting multiple instances
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18:13:34 <fell> oliver: Der Speicherort der Aqbanking Konfiguration sollte eigentlich im Aqbanking-Wiki erläutert sein.
18:17:05 <fell> Irgendwo unter $HOME/.aqbanking/
18:22:54 <fell> zako: the main purpose of PSD2 is: Assume you buy online with your debit (not credit) card. Which rules will apply on the payment service, which will then access your account?
18:25:44 <fell> BTW in which region are you?
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18:41:02 <fell> @tell Robert847 I agree, the splash screen should not disappear and need a review. Can you file a bug report?
18:41:02 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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20:45:59 <Robert847> I have ceated https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797507
20:45:59 <gncbot> Robert847: Sent 2 hours and 4 minutes ago: <fell> I agree, the splash screen should not disappear and need a review. Can you file a bug report?
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20:56:33 <chris> fell clicking splash screen on mine has never caused a crash
20:56:45 <chris> are we encouraging bug reports for old versions?
20:58:14 <fell> Nobody will release 2.6.22.
21:02:16 <fell> Also in currrent git the plash disappears on click.
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21:04:54 <fell> And in the winow list is nothing until the main window appears
21:07:50 <fell> Then the progrm may render reprots.
21:09:24 <fell> , convert the file from 2.6 to3.0 or other time consuming stuff.
21:10:26 <fell> But thr user gets no longr any feedback and might start a 2. instance.
21:11:52 <fell> That is the problem, chris.
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