2019-11-21 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:01:35 <mattcen> fell: Does the Bayesian algorithm operate on both the account name mapper in addition to the Transaction Import Matcher?
01:02:28 <fell> IIRC account name and description
01:08:53 <fell> The ost recent docu AFAIK: https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html#trans-import-matcher
01:08:59 <fell> most
01:13:35 <mattcen> fell: Right, thanks. That's not the screen I'm talking about. That definitely seems to be learning things. I'm referring to the screen before that. The one entitled "Match Import and GnuCash" accounts, where I match the account name from the CSV to an associated account in GnuCash. Most say "No Linked Account", and only the ones I've explicitly set before are detected.
01:13:44 <mattcen> Are you saying this too will learn to detect ones I don't explicitly set?
01:16:18 <fell> https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-help/trans-import.html#ImportMatchEditor seems to be the section explaining the relations.
01:18:05 <mattcen> Ah yes, that looks like what I want!
01:23:53 <fell> chris: Not urgent, but is the para about reports in https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/oview-features1.html still state of the art?
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06:18:25 <chris> fell: yes
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07:46:22 <chris> good speedup in balsheet-pnl, and another bugfix for new-owner-report.
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08:59:00 <gjanssens> .
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09:40:16 <chris> gjanssens jralls I'd like some guidance which parts would be best off limits in maint. I know .scm in libgnucash is best left alone for now.
09:41:36 <gjanssens> chris: scm in libgnucash is indeed in heavy flux right now, though most of it is limited to moving it to a different location
09:42:20 <gjanssens> Your work as caused me a few merge conflicts on my gnc-modules-begone branch, but the conflicts were mostly trivial
09:43:00 <gjanssens> As far as I can see jralls is working on the options system still
09:43:21 <gjanssens> What did you have in mind for your next project ?
09:43:52 <chris> Well no major infrastructure work, mainly debug new-reports and polish existing ones
09:44:13 <chris> The only one pending is the budget mess fix but I guess it's fairly trivial
09:47:07 <chris> maybe in the distant future, teach income-gst to dig into gncEntry but this requires decoupling from trep-engine :-o
09:49:06 <gjanssens> Ok, I don't see much overlap with my work there, so feel free to hack to your heart's pleasure :D
09:51:29 <gjanssens> jralls: after a good night sleep I've had another look at the gnc-module tests and I think it's ok now.
09:53:09 <gjanssens> The gnc-module bit inside libgnucash now is completely guile-free and bindings/guile has tests for the gnc-module-xyz wrappers trying to load gnc-modules that encapsulate swigified test libraries.
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09:54:02 <gjanssens> In hindsight that's the only thing that makes sense for the guile wrapper of course as that's the only way guile code could call functions in the loaded gnc-module (that is it can only call the swigified versions)
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13:22:06 <jralls> gjanssens, yes, I agree that tests of a C function should be separate from tests of it when imported into guile. The latter will usually be more of a test that the typemaps for the inputs and output work as expected than that the function does what it's supposed to.
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13:24:37 <jralls> gjanssens But I thought (or maybe hoped) that the overarching point of your extraction work was to get rid of gnc-module. No point in rewriting tests for something that's going away.
13:30:42 <jralls> oliver, warlord, GnuCash 3.7 isn't sufficient for PSD2. You need the latest GnuCash maint and AQB 5.99, Gwen 4.99, and Libchipcard 5.1 beta/release candidates. If you're on Windows its in the latest nightly builds. Linux users can try the latest flatpak if they know flatpak well enough to fiddle the sandbox so that it can talk to the net. Even with that there may still be problems, see https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/598.
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13:46:36 <Mechtilde> jralls, oliver It depends on what you want to do
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13:47:45 <Mechtilde> I can fetch my bank data with Gnucash 3.7 an Aqb 5.99.43 buat I cant do a transaction
13:48:15 <Mechtilde> because I didn't get the Information for manual chiptan
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14:09:07 <jralls> Mechtilde: What's broken with manual chiptan? Does cstim know about it?
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14:39:34 <Mechtilde> I thik it is a problem of my too old GnuCash
14:39:58 <Mechtilde> It can't display the new information
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15:00:40 <fell> Mechtilde, are you not using Micha Lenk's ppa?
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15:09:03 <jralls> fell: gwen built before gjanssens pushed his patch so it needed to be rebuilt. It should be OK now.
15:09:11 <Mechtilde> fell no
15:09:27 <Mechtilde> I use Debian testing with the new aqb
15:10:18 <jralls> Mechtilde, there are some GnuCash fixes you need too.
15:10:50 <fell> jralls, https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/build-logs/maint/2019-11/build-maint-2019-11-21-03-01-02.log: *** etc.
15:11:05 <fell> module gnucash-git not built due to non buildable aqbanking *** [14/16]
15:11:10 <Mechtilde> yes I know it
15:11:19 <jralls> fell, I know. I just fixed it.
15:11:40 <fell> ok, thanks.
15:11:53 <Mechtilde> I didn't have the time to build mysqlf
15:11:59 <Mechtilde> myself
15:12:51 <fell> Mechtilde: and which version is the source for debina tetsings Gnucash?
15:13:59 <Mechtilde> 3.7
15:14:19 <fell> A pure 3.7 is not sufficient for the betas of the aqb family.
15:14:47 <fell> Or did they apply single commits as patches?
15:15:38 <Mechtilde> I didn't research it.
15:18:29 <fell> It is 3.7-2, so they applied at least 2 patches and want libaqbanking43 (>= 5.99.43)
15:20:34 <fell> But we can not guarantee, that they applied all required commits.
15:20:49 <Mechtilde> that is right
15:21:26 <Mechtilde> I only want to say that it depends on what you need whether you can use a version or not
15:21:52 <Mechtilde> At this time I have a fall back
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15:59:55 <gjanssens> jralls: I haven't really made up my mind on gnc-module
16:00:14 <gjanssens> It's clear to me I want none of libgnucash to still use it
16:00:31 <gjanssens> So that's really why I started this effort.
16:01:49 <gjanssens> On the other hand I do like the general idea of having a plugin interface to extend gnucash beyond what the core devs can maintain
16:02:24 <gjanssens> I don't know of gnc-module fits that bill though. But that idea keeps me from completely removing it now already
16:02:54 <gjanssens> I should also add I don't think guile code should be calling gnc-module at all
16:03:19 <gjanssens> They have their own extension loading mechanism based on swig modules
16:04:32 <jralls> Right. warlord insists that we should continue to have some way to add in modules. I'm not opposed, but I don't think that gnc-module is a particularly good way to get there.
16:04:50 <gjanssens> I tend to agree.
16:05:12 <gjanssens> It's another project to come up with a better alternative
16:06:30 <gjanssens> My current one is getting libgnucash and all of guile gnc-module free
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16:06:42 <warlord> I don't particularly care about gnc-module per se.
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16:07:44 <warlord> But I still think we need an extension mechanism
16:08:05 <jralls> I think we can go a bit further and convert most of the existing libgncmod-foo to plain libgnc-foo and have [dy]ld load them at atart up. That will startup faster and debugging easier.
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16:08:32 <gjanssens> It's also possible to consider python as our extension interface instead. That would require getting our python act together on Macos and Windows, but that may be less effort and more attractive to end users than a C plugin interface
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16:09:10 <gjanssens> jralls: the libgncmod-foo to plain libgnc-foo is what I have in mind for libgnucash
16:09:30 <gjanssens> When done we can evaluate how much would be left to do the same for the rest of gnucash
16:10:08 <jralls> Right. I'm proposing doing it across the board with the possible exception of importers.
16:10:18 <gjanssens> The cleanup required for this is to make sure each libgnc-foo gets its init function called properly
16:10:20 <jralls> One step at a time is fine.
16:10:30 <gjanssens> That's now done as part of gnc-module loading
16:10:54 <jralls> Few of the init functions do anything.
16:11:14 <jralls> And the few that do probably shouldn't.
16:11:18 <gjanssens> There's qof_init, gnc_engine_init,...
16:11:42 <gjanssens> All of those should be fixed when they're properly converted to C++ classes of course
16:12:10 <jralls> I didn't say they aren't there, I said that they don't do anything. But maybe I should modify that to they don't do anything useful.
16:12:35 <gjanssens> Until we're there, it needs a bit of care to make sure they are all called at least once from every possible entry point
16:12:41 <jralls> Some of them do things that are harmful, like setting up globals.
16:12:58 <gjanssens> Right. Something to fix as you say.
16:13:50 <gjanssens> But as another goal. Otherwise I'll never get something ready for merge :)
16:14:48 <gjanssens> By the way, while testing my work I decided to run 'ninja check' on Windows in jhbuild.
16:14:58 <gjanssens> Obviously there are many failing test cases.
16:15:18 <gjanssens> I played a bit with the gnc-module ones as that's what I'm currently focussed on
16:16:15 <gjanssens> And then it got curious: I made a few fixes and running "ctest -V -R test-load-c" fails
16:16:48 <gjanssens> However setting the exact same environment variables as the test and then running test-load-c directly succeeds
16:16:50 <gjanssens> Go figure...
16:17:39 <gjanssens> I probably won't spend more time on that right now though.
16:17:50 <gjanssens> Fixing the windows tests is yet another project.
16:18:36 <jralls> It is. Maybe as a prelude figuring out how to mark tests as "skip" on windows so we can set up an Apveyor CI.
16:18:37 <gjanssens> Though I'm slowly feeling comfortable enough on the Windows side I hope to be able to fix a number of them
16:19:01 <gjanssens> That's a good interim step indeed.
16:19:18 * jralls would be really happy if you could just get rid of the import-from-future error on windows on every .go compilation.
16:19:36 * gjanssens believes his most recent commits do fix that
16:19:42 <jralls> \o/
16:20:26 <gjanssens> I decided to store the future mod in a separate subdirectory that's not searched by gnc-module-load by default
16:20:57 <gjanssens> Only when the future mod test is run I extend GNC_MODULE_PATH to include that extra module directory
16:21:03 <gjanssens> Seems to work just fine
16:21:21 <jralls> Ah. I'd thought that it was already isolated since it's actually used only for one test.
16:21:51 <gjanssens> Yes and no
16:22:42 <jralls> And a stupid test at that since I don't think we've ever actually versioned any of the module libraries.
16:22:45 <gjanssens> We set special target directories for the tests, but on Windows the runtime target directory is used, which was just set to <buildir>/bin
16:23:05 <gjanssens> so the dll still ended up with all the other libgncmod dlls
16:23:09 <jralls> Oh. sigh.
16:23:12 <gjanssens> Right
16:23:54 <gjanssens> So I changed that for all test gncmods and then still chose to separate out the future mod to reduce the noise for the non-future mod tests
16:24:40 <gjanssens> If you want to play with it, here's the current state of my branch: https://github.com/gjanssens/gnucash/tree/dropgml
16:25:04 <gjanssens> Note I changed from gnc-module-begone to dropgml to be able to use this in our Windows environment
16:25:42 <gjanssens> It had a few issues properly separating out the project and branch from TARGET gnucash-gnc-module-begone...
16:25:54 <gjanssens> So I went for a branch name without any dashes :)
16:26:16 <jralls> How short-sighted of me.
16:26:47 <gjanssens> Other than that, I agree futuremod test will probably remain useless forever.
16:28:36 <gjanssens> And unless you still want to discuss something else right now, I think I'll leave it at that. Getting tired here
16:29:50 <gjanssens> Oh, I see I forgot to push the very latest state of my branch
16:29:57 <jralls> I was just going to mention that engine_init points to another useless pile of crap, QofObject.
16:30:32 <gjanssens> I did so now. What I pointed at earlier this evening still had failing tests. The last push should not.
16:30:47 <jralls> Failing tests on Linux?
16:31:14 <gjanssens> Also worth mentioning, when I merge my branch it's best to perform a "ninja uninstall" on any windows machine before pulling
16:31:25 <jralls> I probably won't try to run it, I might look over the commits if I can find time.
16:31:35 <gjanssens> Otherwise the next build will fail because it finds the wrong modules
16:31:56 <jralls> It might be good for you to do likewise with my c++options branch if you can.
16:32:10 <gjanssens> Failing on linux yes. While experimenting to get it to work on Windows, I did push a few mistakes that I have corrected afterwards
16:32:46 <gjanssens> Yeah, I'll see if I find time somewhere in the weekend
16:32:53 <gjanssens> How's progress on that branch ?
16:34:02 <jralls> Good. I'm writing the serialize/deserialize code now. Once that's tested I'll be ready to start integrating with the dialog-options.c, which will have to become dialog-options.cpp.
16:34:16 <gjanssens> Cool
16:34:50 <gjanssens> More another time please :)
16:34:57 <gjanssens> I'm signing off...
16:35:05 <gjanssens> Night!
16:35:08 <jralls> OK, goodnight.
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