2019-11-16 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:36:06 <gjanssens> .
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08:49:14 <nqtronix> I've created documentation for the aqbanking setup process and would now like to upload the screenshots to the wiki. Can somebody here give me the required permission (group "uploadaccess")? My username on the wiki is the same as here.
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09:28:43 <gjanssens> nqtronix: that a job for warlord but although his nick is here he's probably afk atm
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10:03:12 <nqtronix> gjanssens: ok thanks, I'll just wait for him
10:04:02 <nqtronix> probably I'll be aka for the next few hours as well
10:04:09 <nqtronix> *afk
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12:14:27 <fell> gjanssens: On the left sideof any wiki page you can open https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages.
12:16:02 <fell> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bureaucrat says me, yoiu can promote users.
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12:16:42 <fell> it can be reached over https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights
12:17:40 <fell> And then it can be done on https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Special:UserRights
12:18:23 <gjanssens> fell: I didn't know that...
12:19:34 <fell> Then you cane give uploadaccess to nqtronix now.
12:20:39 <gjanssens> That's what I just did :)
12:20:52 <gjanssens> nqtronix: you should now be able to upload screenshots
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12:36:36 <nqtronix> gjanssens, fell: Thanks!
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12:41:04 <fell> nqtronix: en:author->de: Autor; HTML tags "<br>" are usually not required.
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12:51:49 <andreas^> hello.
12:52:10 <andreas^> chris: the budget report (re).
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12:53:31 <andreas^> how would I record a transaction that is meant to be recorded as an expense? I want to record for example 100 SEK each month as expense and then use that sum after a year for a payment but not record that payment as an expense.
12:53:56 <andreas^> I'm thinking that I could save up money for expenses I know is coming, and spread it across a time span.
12:58:00 <Simon> typically that should be the other way around, the expense happens when you use the total of the sum of money
12:58:24 <andreas^> Simon: yes and I want to prevent that.
12:58:33 * Simon doesn't use the budgeting features
12:59:51 <Simon> I do have a similar problem with income tax because I record that as one expense per year and it messes up reports
13:01:15 <Simon> I'm storing the monthtly payment of that into Equity to stop it messing up my net worth calculation...
13:01:58 <andreas^> I see.
13:03:27 <andreas^> you seem to be onto something.
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13:04:12 <Simon> well, you don't necessarily want to be putting something into Equity that really is an asset, because you still have the money
13:04:33 <Simon> if you wanted to set aside money for a future payment, you could consider that a Liability
13:05:06 <Simon> so you could do a transaction from Liabilities to Expenses monthly
13:05:18 <Simon> and then pay the Liability at the end of the year from an Asset
13:05:55 <andreas^> I didn't think of that.
13:06:32 <Simon> it's not a real liability but it will stop your expense being one lump sum; it will however make your net assets incorrect
13:07:00 <Simon> so you'll appear to have less assets than you really do, but that may not be a bad thing if the expense is unavoidable
13:08:07 <andreas^> thank you Simon.
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13:13:25 <nqtronix> fell: I worte the the text in a markdown editor and converted it to the wiki format. They are removed now. I consider that wiki page more or less complete now.
13:14:29 <fell> Super!
13:15:07 <fell> Ich habe schon jemand von gnucash-de dahin geschickt. :-)
13:17:17 <fell> The link for the old version is clever.
13:30:02 <jralls> boldstripe: Chapter and verse on a single exchange rate, please. From https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/yearly-average-currency-exchange-rates: "You must express the amounts you report on your U.S. tax return in U.S. dollars. Therefore, you must translate foreign currency into U.S. dollars if you receive income or pay expenses in a foreign currency. In general, use the exchange rate prevailing (i.e., the spot rate) when you r
13:30:03 <jralls> eceive, pay or accrue the item."
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13:33:08 <jralls> boldstripe: Besides, it's irrelevant for the case of booking an expense in currency A to a payout in B: Both are actuals. You paid CAD2.50 for that coffee at Tim Horton's and your CC converted it to USD 2.20. That's the exchange rate you want for that transaction.
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13:39:55 <nqtronix> fell: glad you like it :)
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13:44:48 <mohave> jralls: WRT to our conversation yesterday on compiling GC on MacOS and using an install dir outside of the pre reqs tree. You mentioned using symlinks. That got me to thinking, The filesystem in my case is APFS, so using Finder to duplicate the tree, wont use any additional disk space (essentially). So a separate tree per compiled version of GC is very doable now.
13:46:11 <jralls> mohave, OK. Isn't that the same as saying `ln -s foo` on the command line?
13:47:36 <mohave> No, because GC gets installed into the tree and in the case of a link, there is only one tree. Each install of GC will go to the same tree, overriding the previous.
13:48:43 <mohave> s/overriding/overwriting/
13:49:05 <jralls> Right, you'd symlink each dependency library e.g. `ln -s $REAL_PREFIX/lib/libgtk-3.0.dylib $NEW_PREFIX/lib`.
13:51:27 <mohave> I guess that would work, but too much effort in light of the APFS clone feature.
13:51:50 <mohave> Anyways, I appreciate your feedback!
13:52:02 <mohave> And effort on the project!
13:52:59 <jralls> How do you get Finder to do this "clone"?
13:54:05 <mohave> Select the file or folder, right click and select Duplicate.
13:55:30 <mohave> Pretty cool eh?
13:56:50 <mohave> unfortunately from what I've seen, cp does not do the clone, but the copy that we are used to.
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13:58:33 <fell> jralls: There is no new https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/master/
13:59:41 <fell> it is not very important for my "clients".
14:02:05 <jralls> fell: The last commit to master was 3 days ago. No commits -> no new build.
14:02:23 <fell> But changed dependencies
14:02:58 <jralls> Changing the dependencies doesn't change that. The nightly builds is *not* about beta-testing dependencies.
14:03:59 <jralls> This whole AQB steaming-smelly-pile is getting very annoying. Maybe we should just drop AQB support until Martin gets his act together.
14:04:33 <fell> You would loos almost all german users.
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14:07:00 <jralls> That seems likely regardless, since Martin can't seem to make a stable FinTS platform that works for more than a couple of banks.
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14:08:53 <jralls> Regardless, the German users alpha-testing Martin's code are apparently doing so on live data. They sure as heck shouldn't be compounding that by using not-even-alpha GnuCash development code.
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14:12:02 <jralls> mohave: Finder duplicate made a copy on my system: both directories count in du, libgtk-3.0.dylib has different inodes in each instance.
14:13:49 <jralls> And editing a text file on one doesn't change the file in the other.
14:14:55 <mohave> jralls, interesting, I duplicated the 1GB pre reqs tree and du showed no difference in usage
14:15:41 <mohave> correct, editing a file in one shouldn't change the other
14:15:57 <mohave> copy on write
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14:17:15 <jralls> Do your "duplicated" files have different inodes?
14:19:44 <mohave> yes, but obviously there is some magic going on behind the scenes
14:23:24 <mohave> see this link: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/foundation/file_system/about_apple_file_system
14:27:35 <jralls> Interesting. I wonder if that's Catalina-only? This system is still running Mojave...
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14:29:24 <mohave> I seem to remember that it was a feature when APFS was originally released. Didn't test it on mojave though.
14:31:51 <jralls> OK, I'll try it on my laptop later, it's running Catalina.
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18:08:51 <chris> andreas^ I think you'd budget the expense on the month you're spending it.
18:09:00 <chris> @tell andreas^ I think you'd budget the expense on the month you're spending it.
18:09:00 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
18:29:46 <warlord> @tell gjanssens I believe that any Sysop can add nqtronix to that group. I don't think *I* specifically have to do it.
18:29:46 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
18:30:39 <warlord> @tell gjanssens And... it looks like you already did. Cool.
18:30:39 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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20:52:24 <jralls> warlord, when you have a chance could you look at what Jannick is proposing on https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796975? If you add it to BZ will it cause trouble with software upgrades or have to be redone after one?
21:07:28 <chris> mauritslamers: you seem to have CSS skill. when you have time, a review of existing CSS classes in reports would be nice. especially the recent enabling of "neg" and "border-color:grey". for extra points, some ideas on incrementally bettering the report css usage.
21:08:50 <chris> e.g. reports using "number-cell-neg" to specify negative amounts; some internal stylesheet code converts it to class="number-cell neg" to actually make it red. I suspect this is not very clever.
21:09:58 <chris> I don't think an overhaul to an 'ideal css-template-based report' is possible.
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21:26:11 <chris> I think we should close #605
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22:38:01 <boldstripe> jralls: the URL you give has average exchange rates for prior years with the instruction that you can use them to convert--otherwise why would they be provided at all? The page seems to instruct you that _in general_ you use the daily rate, but that any consistent rate is acceptable, which I read to mean the averages such as they give for the whole year.
22:39:05 <boldstripe> jralls: If you have a bank or credit card denominated in a foreign currency which you use for foreign expenses, then there is no daily instantaneous real currency exchange at the time time of the transaction.
22:44:01 <boldstripe> jralls: that said, if Gnucash could keep track of the daily exchange rate then I don't see any reason not to prefer day by day exchanges. I was just trying to keep things practical and meet the minimum tax requirements of totaling expenses by account (category) in the base currency, regardless of which currency used for the transaction.
22:52:59 <boldstripe> Even if you don't have a foreign currency institutional account, you may pay cash in a foreign currency, for coffees or local transportation.