2019-11-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:19:09 <chris> sorry for the noise in new-aging.scm -- changes were made to anticipate gjanssens's request to hide APAR section headers if there's only 1 APAR account involved
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05:24:08 * gjanssens requested this ?
05:24:15 <gjanssens> I don't remember...
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05:41:04 <chris> no - you requested similar for customer-summary.scm ;)
05:43:27 <gjanssens> oh :)
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08:35:43 <mauritslamers> gjanssens: (or any other dutch GnuCash users) if you have any time, could you take a look at my version of the accoo manual? https://mauritslamers.github.io/boekhouden-met-gnucash/
08:39:54 <mauritslamers> it is not done yet, but it is a start :-)
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09:34:45 <chris> bleah. small hiccup in new-business-reports. if a payment exceeds the invoice amount, the overpayment could/should be applied to the prepayment column.
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09:35:08 <chris> current owner-report/owner-aging/aging-report handle this case very differently.
09:35:27 <chris> new-owner-report and new-aging also handle it differently
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10:51:13 <jeffpc> is the website down?
10:54:52 <gjanssens> jeffpc: yes, the maintainer is waiting for a replacement power supply. It should be back up one of the coming days.
10:54:58 <jeffpc> ah
10:54:59 <jeffpc> ok
10:56:07 <jeffpc> I suppose I don't need it; wiki is up and tarballs are on github
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12:29:38 <jralls> warlord: Yes, www would be very easy indeed to HA. In fact you could bring it up on code now, just clone gnucash-htdocs and gnucash-htdocs-docs into /var/www/html/something and fiddle DNS to point at it.
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12:30:46 <warlord> jralls, except Linas controls the DNS ;)
12:31:17 <warlord> We'd have to figure out TLS (I don't recall if he's got www on HTTPS)
12:32:12 <jralls> He does, via a Let's Encrypt cert. I'd forgotten that wrinkle.
12:34:47 <warlord> I've got LetsEncrypt, too, but I don't know how we could both get www.gnucash.org via LE.
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12:42:42 <jralls> Initial web search says to use something called a reverse proxy server. It handles the encryption and communicates with the active/selected web server in the clear. Obviously suitable only on the front end of a secure local network.
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12:44:29 <jralls> Though I suppose the same approach could be used where the proxy handles the encryption to the client and uses a separate encrypted channel to the selected web server.
12:53:23 <jralls> HA for MySQL and Postgresql is well studied and widely used, that part shouldn't be too hard. According to https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.75%20How%20do%20I%20set%20up%20a%20Mailman%20cluster%20or%20to%20load-balance%20Mailman%20between%20multiple%20servers%3F Mailman needs a shared file system like NFS, which I guess just shifts the burden to setting up an HA NFS cluster like gluster: https://www.gluster.org.
12:59:30 <warlord> jralls, that doesn't seem to help when the redundancy is not co-located. So e.g. we could not use a load-balancer method for www if the two backends are in my and linas' networks.
12:59:56 <warlord> I dont know how well Gluster would work on a WAN
13:00:28 <jralls> I don't either. I suspect not very well.
13:01:38 <warlord> Yeah. So we could get localized HW redundancy, but not multi-site redundancy. OTOH, I could just use ovirt HA at that point.
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13:04:49 <jralls> Which wouldn't help when Comcast disconnects you.
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13:05:43 <warlord> Right.
13:13:35 <jralls> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797283#c89 That's for sure! ;-)
13:24:51 <warlord> LOL
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13:51:57 <gjanssens> :D
13:52:41 <gjanssens> For the HA, what the problem with also sharing the encryption keys over a secure side channel like ssh ?
13:53:41 <gjanssens> linas can still be in charge of getting the keys from letsencrypt and then on an update (roughly once about a month) push them to the other webservers
13:54:30 <jralls> Aren't ssl certificates are locked to a particular IP address?
13:54:41 <gjanssens> No, they are locked to a dns name
13:55:50 <gjanssens> You do need to be able to prove you own the domain though, which is why you need to control a server running the webservice
13:56:18 <gjanssens> But once you receive the certificate you can use it on other servers as well.
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13:57:15 <gjanssens> Though it may depend on the validation mechanism you use
13:57:36 <gjanssens> There's a mechanism that uses DNS, another one uses http
13:57:45 <gjanssens> I don't know which one linas uses
13:58:24 <gjanssens> In the first case you need to be able to add unique hashes to your dns records to prove you own the dns for your domain
13:58:50 <gjanssens> In the latter you prove your ownership by setting up a unique hash in the root of your webserver
13:59:20 <gjanssens> But as far as I know once validation passes, you are free to use the cert as you see fit
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14:12:05 <jralls> OK. I think.
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18:34:03 <chris> https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/maint/ show today's build is 155MB instead of 180MB. has anything changed?
18:35:14 <chris> ahh this is the new build to try fix 797283
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18:50:51 <chris> here's a fun tidbit: create a payment where payment > invoice-total. this is an overpayment.
18:51:17 <chris> next, use process-payment ui to assign this overpayment to another invoice. havoc ensues.
18:51:39 <chris> the better approach is to edit-payment to include another invoice.
18:51:50 <chris> would this be classed as a bug?
19:29:32 <warlord> IMHO, yes.
19:30:05 <warlord> Because there may not be any additional invoices yet when the overpayment happens, so it should be able to be handled as a "process payment?
19:30:11 <warlord> This *USED* to work fine.
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