2019-10-17 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:46:41 <warlord> .
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06:34:09 <chris> real shame what's happening in #guile https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-user/2019-10/
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06:49:00 <chris> real shame what's happening in #guile https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-user/2019-10/
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06:49:04 <chris> oops
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07:06:02 <chris> @tell warlord if I were to add a hook to fix budgets to store unreversed amounts and guard with feature, where should that hook be?
07:06:02 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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08:03:15 <chris> hi warlord
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08:04:24 <chris> bonjour chef de guerre
08:05:10 <warlord> war cook?
08:05:10 <gncbot> warlord: Sent 59 minutes ago: <chris> if I were to add a hook to fix budgets to store unreversed amounts and guard with feature, where should that hook be?
08:06:24 <warlord> chris, that's a very good question. I do not know the answer.
08:09:05 <warlord> I don't know if there is a "Scrub" routine for budgets
08:09:26 <warlord> Why do you want to store unreversed amounts?
08:09:30 <warlord> (just curious)
08:10:05 <chris> because budget-amounts are currently stored in book according to current sign-reversal pref.
08:10:15 <chris> not right.
08:10:23 <chris> should be independent of current pref
08:11:22 <warlord> Oh? They should be stored in the natural amounts and then sign-reversed for display based on the pref. That's not what happens? That's... bad.
08:11:44 <warlord> That means your data is inconsistent if you change the pref?!?
08:11:55 <chris> the data doesn't change by itself.
08:12:28 <warlord> No, but how it is interpreted does.
08:12:40 <chris> the budget.c and budgets.scm were written to handle signs according to reversal=credit amounts. any reversal strategy leads to bogus reports.
08:13:13 <chris> definitely bad.
08:13:19 <warlord> If one account says $10 and another account says $10, when the accounts are merged you might have $20 or $0 depending on the pref and the types of A and B
08:13:27 <chris> hence, https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/585
08:13:59 <chris> the most enlightening part are in budget.scm - my fix obviates special handling for income-accounts
08:14:03 <chris> the most enlightening part are in budget.scm - my fix obviates special handling for income-account budgets
08:14:28 <warlord> :)
08:15:27 <chris> and, as usual, reports are simpler
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08:17:21 <chris> in otherwords, during budget creation, if sign-reversal != credit-accounts, amounts and reports are wrong.
08:17:43 <chris> hence a one-time fix is my suggestion
08:18:33 <warlord> Uggh.
08:19:06 <chris> ?
08:21:41 <chris> "warlord: No, but how it is interpreted does." --> yes the budget.scm interpretation changes if you change pref
08:23:49 <warlord> My uggh was wabout "if sign-reversal != credit-accounts, amounts and reports are wrong"
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08:27:56 <chris> are you in france for work?
08:28:19 <warlord> Yeah, ISO meeting
08:28:40 <chris> nice
08:30:26 <warlord> Next one is April in St Petersburg
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09:29:19 * chris was trying to create the fix-budgets scrub, but the module system is a real drag
09:39:52 <warlord> I dont know where gjanssens is. He would know. Maybe jralls has an idea (but he's probably still sleeping)
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09:53:41 <chris> perhaps I'll write a noob-C version and get the seniors to fix ;)
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10:55:59 <chris> ok done, freshman level C
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12:44:23 <jralls> jeaye: Re: gnucash as a game server service: No, it's not a sane idea. GnuCash isn't designed to be used as a service.
12:47:52 <jralls> chris, I noted your PR. I'll get to it in a bit, looking at cstim's aqb crash comes first.
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13:00:48 <jralls> chris: I don't see anything bad in either Andy's blog post or guile-user. What's gotten your goat?
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14:02:05 <gjanssens> chris: returning to https://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2019/10/12.html#T07:37:43 - what does "trivial renderer" refer to ?
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14:09:20 <gjanssens> fell: re your question on what requirements to meet before a flatpak PR is accepted: I just verify it builds and runs
14:09:39 <gjanssens> (And does what the PR claims of course...)
14:10:40 <fell> gjanssens: Thanks, that is what I did.
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18:38:10 <chris> jralls uhhh wingo states his position statement on rms on personal blog, and had written an opinion piece on Mark Weaver's unexpected decision to return to guile leadership.
18:38:48 <chris> the weird news is that wingo's email and responses received to guile-user have definitely been deleted.
18:39:32 <chris> zx's post on guile-user is the only remaining hint of a spat
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18:41:51 <chris> wouldn't wish to stir up old pot, perhaps I can forward delete the convo from guile-user if anyone wishes to read
18:42:09 <chris> wouldn't wish to stir up old pot, perhaps I can forward the deleted convo from guile-user if anyone wishes to read
18:42:20 <jralls> So maybe that's why I didn't see the bad stuff on guile-user. So wingo and mweaver and presumably lcortes have let their personal opinions about RMS turn into a fight over guile. That is too bad.
18:43:10 <chris> one side, wingo/ludovic, another side markweaver
18:43:14 <chris> yes, very sad
18:45:13 <chris> the chronology was apparently mark leaving over wingo's decision to augment 'internal defines', joint post fsf/wingo/etc about rms on guix, then RMS unilaterally giving back root access to savannah to MarkWeaver
18:47:29 <chris> @tell gjanssens the 'trivial' renderer is the default output by any report if no stylesheet is imported. rembember the stylesheet converts a "number-cell" so that it renders as <td class="number-cell">.
18:47:29 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
18:47:49 <chris> @tell gjanssens without a stylesheet the render is <number-cell></number-cell>
18:47:49 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
18:48:41 <chris> @tell gjanssens erratum without a stylesheet the render is <number-cell>xxx (without closing </number-cell)
18:48:41 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
18:49:21 <chris> @tell gjanssens so in test-report-html IIRC i imported a stylesheet to easily test an html-table via parsing its xml output. I can remove the parsing which makes the test less readable.
18:49:21 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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