2019-09-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:15:34 <fell> chf, sei nicht immer so bescheiden. Ich habe "PSD2-Umstellung 2019" mal weiter nach oben befördert in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/HBCI.
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03:25:32 <jove> helpop snomasks
03:25:32 <gncbot> jove: Sent 6 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, and 4 minutes ago: <fell> <chris> fell: no didn't change. bug report, stack trace etc needed
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04:41:36 <gjanssens> .
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04:50:50 <fell> Hoi!
04:58:58 <fell> 03:53 I sent the Win+AqB6 announcement and in between the first error report appeared on aqb-user.
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06:48:33 <warlord> BenB, FTR, Apple also has thousands of people who are paid to build things. We are a 100% volunteer organization.
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08:57:02 <fell> gjanssens, jralls: It seems our windows users do not see the ouput of console programs like aqbanking-cli.
08:59:02 <fell> One successful used 'aqhbci-tool4 listusers >out.txt ', but that does not help for dialogs like "Enter TAN:".
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09:14:54 <gjanssens> fell: is that info not written to the gnucash trace file instead ?
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09:16:12 <fell> In theory aqhbci-tool4 is a DOS-like console program
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09:19:10 <fell> They wrote, Gnucash's setup tool crashed and they tried to use aqb's console tools.
09:19:30 <warlord> .
09:21:05 <fell> There is a general aqbanking-cli and one for each backend aq*-tool[version]
09:25:42 <gjanssens> I'm not really following...
09:26:00 <gjanssens> So they ran the console tools directly in a Windows console but didn't get any output ?
09:26:31 <gjanssens> Or is the issue happening when they run gnucash, which in turn calls these console tools ?
09:30:14 <gjanssens> FWIW, in the old Windows build system we used to run exetype.pl on two of th aqbanking console applications: aqbanking-cli and aqbanking-tool4
09:30:45 <gjanssens> It looks like we stopped doing this in the new build system so perhaps that's why the output isn't visible.
09:32:08 <gjanssens> The last commit that had code running this script was https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-windows/commit/5ad565b49b2b4a48ce3c5f30429b2f6f8042821a
09:32:33 <gjanssens> The script itself is still available in the gnucash-on-windows repository, but it's not called explicitly any more
09:33:31 <gjanssens> While it still works (I have just tested it) it's a bit cumbersome to use as it's a perl script. So perl needs to be installed in some way on the system.
09:33:48 <gjanssens> And the the invocation would be
09:34:25 <gjanssens> <path-to-perl.exe> <path-to-exetype.pl> <path-to-binary-to-type-set> CONSOLE
09:34:28 <gjanssens> Like
09:36:44 <gjanssens> c:\gcdev64\msys2\usr\bin\perl.exe c:\gcdev64\src\gnucash-on-windows\exetype.pl "c:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\aqbanking-cli.exe" CONSOLE
09:37:23 <gjanssens> This should be run from a console or powershell with administrator privileges as the command tries to modify a file in Program Files
09:38:03 <gjanssens> And note the paths chosen come from a default setup for the windows build environment.
09:38:43 <gjanssens> Going further it's probably better if we update our build system to run these commands again.
09:39:00 <gjanssens> Can you list all the relevant command line tools that are currently shipped ?
09:45:21 <fell> What do you see if you run 'ls /usr/bin/aq*'? gjanssens
09:50:10 <gjanssens> Ok, there are 4 installed *.exe tools
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09:51:14 <gjanssens> Note I don't know how to best tweak our jhbuild based build system to perform the exetype.pl runs. So I'll have to wait for jralls' input here.
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10:14:20 <fell> NP, I wrote 15:57:12 +0200 to the list and asked to test it.
10:16:31 <fell> I have: aqbanking-cli aqbanking-config aqebics-tool aqhbci-tool4 aqpaypal-tool
10:24:54 <fell> Andre answered: 1. there is no C:\gcdev64
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10:25:57 <fell> 2. he had to fetch exetype.pl from github.
10:26:13 <fell> 3. Now he has output.
10:26:52 <fell> 4. we should apply it in setup.exe
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10:44:02 <TommyT> Yesterday I was looking for advice in the "wrong" #gnucash on freenode. Today I couldn't find me in the log and then looked at the MOTD.... Sadly one of the issues (besides the duplicate channel) is this client calls the server "GIMPNet" and wouldn't allow me to enter a duplicate because it's already defined as both.
10:44:06 <TommyT> Rand over
10:44:09 <TommyT> Rant over
10:45:47 <TommyT> I posted a query on the dev list including a link where I spelled it out in a bit more detail https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2427539
10:46:18 <TommyT> Any advice on where I can turn for Ubuntu packaging advice?
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10:55:04 <jralls> fell: Of course there's no c:\gcdev64 on a user machine, GnuCash installs in c:\Program Files (x86) and the aqbanking command-line tools are present.
10:55:40 <fell> TommyT, I would ask Dimitry, the debian packager.
10:56:05 <fell> jralls, but they have no console output.
10:56:08 <TommyT> fell in the past I have asked and he is very focused on Debian
10:56:50 <TommyT> I want to help him but my question is a bit off from what he does, PLUS he has posted that he needs help even packaging for Debian
10:57:21 <TommyT> But I can try again -- it has been years
10:57:25 <fell> TommyT learn from him, how the system works and read on askubuntu etc. the differences.
10:58:00 <TommyT> Yes I have tried. I have been teaching myself git so maybe I can glean things from his git history
10:58:26 <TommyT> but again for this particular issue I am wading a bit deeply for me
10:59:14 <TommyT> I have also been keeping a diary of what I have tried. That has been my mistake for months because it takes hours to get back up to speed otherwise
10:59:53 <fell> AFAIK none of core devs is very familiar with the debian family.
11:02:04 <fell> I would assume every distribution maintains its own patch set to adjust specific parts.
11:03:30 <jralls> fell, I understand that. We could run exetype.pl on all of the console executables--there are more than just the AQB ones--during bundling by simply adding a step to bundle-mingw64.ps1. Better still would be to change the builds so that they're linked as console apps in the first place.
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11:04:56 <TommyT> It seems to me that Debian has achieved its stellar reputation by becoming so focused on package quality that very few can be expert.
11:05:18 <fell> Jralls: Apply whatever is the cleaner way, IMHO.
11:06:26 <fell> TommyT: or you ask the ubuntu maintainer about the differences.
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11:19:45 <TommyT> fell I don't think there's an Ubuntu maintainer except the MOTU (masters of the Universe repository) group
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11:21:17 <TommyT> It would be great if there were an Ubuntu maintainer. I'm not sure why there isn't, except that I guess accounting skills and programming skills don't always intersect
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11:23:18 <fell> TommyT: Google 'ubuntu motu developers' gives me a bunch of useful pages.
11:23:40 <TommyT> fell thanks
11:24:38 <fell> welcome :-9
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12:24:37 <jralls> fell, Martin has a setting in his build system that's supposed to add -mconsole to LDFLAGS but it doesn't seem to work, they're linked with -mwindows instead.
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12:31:56 <gjanssens> fell: aqbanking-config is a script so it doesn't need exetype treatment
12:32:40 <gjanssens> And indeed Andre wouldn't have c:\gcdev64. As I said these paths come from setting up a gnucash on windows build environment
12:33:01 <gjanssens> Applying in setup.exe is imo too late.
12:33:46 <gjanssens> The tools are equally useful directly when built from source. So it should happen somewhere while generating the tools on Windows
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12:40:22 <jralls> fell, I'm mistaken: It does work but it's applied only to aqbanking-cli.exe in AQB. It's also applied to several command-line tools in libchipcard and gwen. A sample of those run in Powershell produce output so it's simply a matter of adding the other AQB executables.
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13:05:30 <jralls> fell: https://www.aquamaniac.de/rdm/issues/71 I'll create a similar patch for 5.99.33beta.
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13:38:42 <fell> Martin was too fast, he checked in the first version.
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14:00:48 <jralls> Yeah, I saw.
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14:16:39 <fell> In https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-windows#requirements: "Windows Vista or later." is still valid?
14:21:42 <jralls> I think it is for 3.x, but I don't have a Vista VM to test on. I think that we should make it Win8.1 for 4.x and I'm open to making it Win10.
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14:53:59 <fell> I just got again a PM from whining MacOS users, seeing all others get their online banking working again.
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16:15:14 <jralls> fell: Patch pushed, server directories cleaned. The next nightlies should have working aq*-tools on Windows.
16:16:27 <jralls> Tell the MacOS users to build their own packages with unstable AQB.
16:17:31 <fell> Thanks, jralls! But finally the patches will end in th aqbanking componen?
16:17:36 <fell> t
16:20:00 <jralls> That patch is already committed, as is the Libchipcard fix (he went a different direction). https://www.aquamaniac.de/rdm/issues/66 and https://www.aquamaniac.de/rdm/issues/65 are still open.
16:22:57 <fell> The Macos users should start from https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building with aqb from github or latest aqb*beta releases?
16:32:44 <jralls> They might find MacPorts to be less hassle than gtk-osx, depending on how well the MacPorts GnuCash port is being kept up to date. And yes, they'll need to build Gwen, libchipcard, and AQB from either the latest "beta" releases or from git master... but better to clone from git.aquamaniac.de directly, the mirrors on github appear to be hand-maintained. The AQB one was last updated last Saturday.
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16:35:00 <jralls> The MacPorts GnuCash port is 3.6 so the other dependencies will be OK. They'll want to build GnuCash itself from git as well.
16:38:33 <jralls> fell, milotype's new PR reminds me that we were discussing having gnucash.pot in the repo the other day. I'd rather not have build products in the repo so what about having a nightly build of just gnucash.pot on https://code.gnucash.org/builds?
16:39:28 <fell> A very good Idea!
16:41:07 <jralls> warlord, could you add that to your nightly doc-build scripts?
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17:32:43 <fell> jralls, I consider also, to create www.gnucash.org/downloads/[updated ]Translations/3.7/he[,hr, ...].mo. So users can replace their locale/<lang>/gnucash.mo with it.
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17:40:02 <fell> BTW, warlord, how developed your traffic?
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18:19:05 <warlord> fell_laptop, sorry, what do you mean by "how developed [my] traffic"? I don't understand the question.
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18:20:11 <fell> with german users pulling nightlies.
18:20:26 <warlord> jralls, I can look into it. I don't think I do a full "configure" for the docs.
18:20:46 <warlord> I still don't understand "how developed" is it?
18:21:00 <warlord> I don't have visibility into how much bandwidth is being used.
18:21:13 <warlord> However, I just got power at my house!!!
18:21:27 <fell> problems with your bandwidth?
18:22:13 <fell> No, make pot from the sources
18:22:16 <warlord> fell, all my server equipment is in a temporary location with a very small pipe.
18:22:26 <warlord> It has been for over a year now.
18:22:39 <warlord> BUT... end is in sight to be able to migrate back to my 1G network.
18:22:58 <warlord> (this is why I've been asking NOT to publicize code downloads)
18:26:12 <fell> Since a few days the german users are successfuly flatpaks and now windows nihtlies.
18:26:49 <fell> ... pulling ...
18:27:57 <warlord> fell, yes I know.. But I'm hoping not too many.
18:28:05 * warlord is also hoping my UPSes are still good.
18:35:05 <fell> warlord, we want to offer translators one recent gnucash.pot because most are not able to do it self.
18:36:09 <warlord> yes, I understand why we want to generate gnucash.pot. I need to see how doable it is given how I build the doxygen docs
18:37:07 <fell> This would mean clone gnucash;cmake...; make or ninja pot
18:38:10 <fell> Yeah, that is already the right repo.
18:38:45 <fell> doxygen is make doc
18:39:32 <warlord> Except right now I don't use cmake or make. I build the doxygen.cfg manually and then run doxygen.
18:40:03 <warlord> So I need to see if I can short-circuit "make gnucash.pot"
18:41:16 <warlord> This is the script to make the gnucash docs:
18:41:47 <warlord> rm -f doxygen.cfg.tmp
18:41:47 <warlord> sed < doxygen.cfg.in > doxygen.cfg.tmp \
18:41:47 <warlord> -e 's:${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}'":${top_srcdir}:g; s:@VERSION@:${VERSION}:
18:41:47 <warlord> g"
18:41:47 <warlord> mv doxygen.cfg.tmp doxygen.cfg
18:41:47 <warlord> fi
18:41:49 <warlord> rm -rf html refman.pdf
18:41:51 <warlord> $doxygen doxygen.cfg || my_die "make doc failed."
18:42:30 <warlord> (nevermind the 'fi' in there)
18:42:48 <warlord> So as you can see, there is no cmake. no autoconf. no configure. It's short-circuited.
18:43:07 <warlord> I would need to extend the script to do this for gnucash.pot
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18:49:28 <warlord> fell_laptop, did you see my code-snippet?
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18:50:03 <fell> yes
18:53:10 <fell> we need several vars in po/gnucash-pot.cmake
18:53:14 <warlord> Looks like building gnucash.pot will be much more work.
18:53:33 <warlord> code is not set up to be a build server.
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18:57:03 <fell> We could move parts from there to po/Makevars
18:58:43 <fell> we have ddefauls in makevars and verwrite them with manual set params in gnucash-pot.cmake
18:59:41 <fell> (I should not write in the bed)
18:59:55 <warlord> This is why I miss autotools. I used to just be able to say "make -f Makefile.am ...." and it would just work.
19:00:42 <warlord> Indeed, that's exactly what I did before:
19:00:45 <warlord> make -f Makefile.am doxygen.cfg top_srcdir=$top_srcdir VERSION="$VERSION"
19:00:56 <warlord> Simple.
19:01:01 <warlord> Now I have to do more work.
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19:08:08 <fell> or search th cmake manual for the equivalent. ;-)
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19:17:27 <warlord> Give me a Makefile_pot or something with the right rules (without running cmake)
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19:25:48 <jralls> warlord: POTFILES.in is in the repo and should generally be up to date, so you just need to run xgettext with the flags in https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/maint/po/gnucash-pot.cmake.
19:27:41 <jralls> There are some variables to fill in, but all of them are obvious. The only one you'd want to calculate is package_version, and you could just grep the top level CMakeLists.txt for that.
19:33:52 <jralls> The mo files can similarly be made with something like `for i in *.po; do j=$(basename -s .po $i); k=$(dirname $i); msgfmt -o $k/$j.mo $i; done`.
19:45:58 <warlord> jralls, I use this code: VERSION=`util/gnc-vcs-info -r .`
19:46:19 <warlord> Do I need to build the mo files? Or just the pot?
19:49:58 <jralls> For the convenience of translators, just the pot. Fell thought that it would be nice to users to also rebuilt the mo's, but IMO that's less of a concern given that we release every 3 months. There's also the consideration that a nightly mo might be worse for translating the release if we've changed strings in git.
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20:56:30 <warlord> ok
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