2019-09-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:31:48 <gjanssens> .
02:31:48 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 4 hours and 31 minutes ago: <chris> here's one braindead taxtxf annoyance -- if and only if locale is de_DE, will txf-de_DE.scm define a *global* option Tax /"Tax Number" only to be immediately translated to Steuernummer and only used only by taxtxf-de_DE.scm
02:31:49 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 4 hours and 28 minutes ago: <chris> so I'd suggest we upgrade the global option Tax /"Tax Number" to all locales, and we can reuse it in invoice.scm etc
02:31:50 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 4 hours and 26 minutes ago: <chris> so I'd suggest we upgrade the de-specific 'global' option Tax /"Tax Number" to be present in all locales, and we can reuse it in invoice.scm etc
02:32:40 <gjanssens> chris: certainly
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02:42:32 <chris> \o/
02:45:55 <chris> bug 780717 and 726674 my understanding is the stored budget values always assume reversal strategy is credit balances?
02:46:30 <gjanssens> It's been a while, but I believe that's the core of the issue indeed
02:47:08 <chris> ok I agree, I wouldn't change the stored numbers (I don't even know how...) but I'll see how to fix reports
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04:19:30 <chris> fell is taxtxf-de_DE.scm actually in use???
04:20:10 <fell> I think so. Why?
04:20:10 <gncbot> fell: Sent 6 hours and 30 minutes ago: <chris> do you know if taxtxf-de_DE.scm is actually used? it is *super* embarassing
04:21:03 <chris> it had buggy code I've just fixed and no bug reports
04:21:40 <fell> I know. It was a modified copy of the US form
04:23:14 <chris> well if it was used there would have been some bug reports and possibly crashes
04:25:29 <fell> As a general rule, it would be fine, if you modify the US for, look if it is also applicable to the DE form.
04:27:04 <chris> well no, i've fixed a 'tax/tax number' option which is de-specific, and the buggy code could/should have crashed in some circumstances
04:29:17 <fell> One idea for cleanup: move de from the US directory in a new DE directory, probaly with common parts in a common directory.
04:30:03 <fell> I assume it is not very often used.
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04:45:05 * chris can't understand all these budget-* reports... only budget.scm makes sense
05:02:03 <chris> gjanssens: I think the issue with budget is: the budget-amounts signs match the actual-amounts only when the reversal-strategy is unchanged.
05:02:53 <chris> to test: set reversal to credit-accounts, click budget Estimate on Liability account; set reversal to 'none' click Estimate again. the budget estimated amounts are set to be the reversed amounts.
05:03:36 <chris> therefore it'll be impossible for a report to determine the sign-reversal strategy purely on the account-type.
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07:04:42 <chris> Here's a *super* fun glaring one. trial-balance.scm calculates unrealized-gains from exchange-fn-value less average-cost, equity-statement.scm calculates them from exchange-fn-value less weighted-average-cost. anyone spots the bug?
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07:46:58 <gjanssens> @tell fell I have already moved us and de tax reports in separate directories on master
07:46:58 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
07:47:23 <gjanssens> @tell fell factoring out common code was not part of that
07:47:23 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
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07:50:05 <gjanssens> BTW fell let me know via SMS his DSL is out again. Technician should arrive tomorrow.
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07:54:32 <warlord> I might actually have power at my house today!
07:55:46 <chris> :)
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11:15:21 <mohave_> .
11:15:21 <gncbot> mohave_: Sent 22 hours and 58 minutes ago: <jralls> For new gtk-osx you need to run `jhbuild bootstrap-gtk-osx` instead of `jhbuild bootstrap`.
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11:18:02 * chris hope dev team doesn't mind me slowly converting imperative style to functional style
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11:27:56 <chris> next project; merge account-summary.scm and sx-summary.scm... they are near-identical
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12:00:17 <jralls> chris: Be careful. Anything involving state is very hard to pull off with the functional idiom, IMO a significant reason that functional programming has mostly remained an academic exercise.
12:02:43 <jralls> chris: The major exception is Javascript, and that's used almost exclusively for web development. It fits there because the web is mostly stateless with cookies, sessions, and htmlxmlrequests as hacks to create state on the side.
12:03:14 * jralls is watching Rust with interest because the developers claim to have cracked the state problem with a functional language.
12:05:55 <jralls> chris, gjanssens: If the budget system depends on a sign reversal preference to work correctly I'd consider that a major bug. Sign reversal should be UI-only, it shouldn't leak into libgnucash.
12:06:18 <mohave_> jralls: Thanks, jhbuild bootstrap-gtk-osx worked just fine.
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12:14:26 <chris> jralls: of course... you'll see the very functional approach in the two pending commits https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/commit/51bb17d96ef and https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/commit/35549ed47f28b0 and I'm sure you'll understand these are stateless commodity arithmetic.
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12:15:35 <chris> budget-reversal yes is a major bug and I think should be solved via a book-feature upgrade... lots of reports will also need fixing and I don't know if I can understand budget reports in time for 4.x
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12:17:22 <warlord> FYI, Yahoo appears to be blocking mail from code.
12:17:35 <warlord> So no Yahoo users will be able to send to (or receive email from) code.
12:17:54 <chris> the functional approach commodity arithmetic have advantage of allocating a new commodity-collector, therefore will not accidentally modify a commodity-collector passed as an argument
12:17:55 <warlord> Yahoo isn't very helpful here.
12:20:39 <warlord> Worse, I cannot send something to the list about it, because none of the yahoo subscribers will receive it!
12:20:49 <warlord> (although it would go into the list archive)
12:28:53 <warlord> I wonder if turning off sender-verify will "help"?
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13:21:12 <gjanssens> jralls, chris: I completely agree the budget sign issue is a major bug
13:40:07 <warlord> Damn you, Yahoo
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13:42:04 <Simon> Mailman's monthly password emails are the most annoying feature, I disable those on every list I'm subscribed to
13:42:39 <Simon> unfortunately I think people these days are incapable of understanding or caring that they subcribed to something and will just mark is as spam to get rid of it
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13:43:01 <Simon> btw your DKIM signature is invalid
13:43:24 <Simon> although that's probably just because the list modified the email
13:43:33 <warlord> Simon, Probably, yeah.
13:43:43 <warlord> And I don't think that gnucash pushed out a DKIM sig...
13:44:00 <Simon> yes, you probably want to start DKIM signing outgoing email
13:44:51 <warlord> Easier said than done... But yeah.
13:45:47 <Simon> btw make sure your sender verify callouts happen after all other checks
13:46:11 <Simon> otherwise every single spam email attempt can result in a callout and make you look bad
13:47:07 <warlord> They are the last thing..
13:47:31 <Simon> I also downgrade SPF softfail to fail because most providers aren't using fail
13:47:49 <Simon> (that includes yahoo)
13:49:43 <warlord> I dont drop anything based soley on SPF, but that doesn't matter in this case..
13:50:25 <Simon> yes but how many callouts are you doing to Yahoo based on incoming spam?
13:50:39 <Simon> (although I don't see any which suggests people have stopped trying to impersonate Yahoo)
13:52:04 <warlord> I dont have statistics on that.
13:52:13 <jralls> chris: Re: ";; (coll-plus collectors ...) equiv to (+ collectors ...)" too bad Scheme doesn't do operator overloads like C++ so you could just have the second form.
13:54:00 <jralls> But I don't much care for "coll-plus", it's a bit obscure. Isn't "collector+" a legal Scheme identifier? Or "gnc:collector+" so it's in our namespace.
14:01:53 <warlord> Simon, it sounds like DKIM signing will need to get implemented (I'm honestly not sure why I never configured that before)
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14:17:59 <jralls> chris: But what's "gnc:coll-less" in customer-summary.scm in the second commit? It doesn't seem to be defined.
14:45:13 <gjanssens> jralls: I pulled your c++options branch yesterday evening to have a first look at it. It appears since you have backtracked a few commits ?
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14:46:55 <jralls> Yes, I decided that the GncOptionWrapper/GncWrappedOption stuff was going in the wrong direction after I'd studied dialog-options.c and window-options.c yesterday.
14:47:50 <jralls> That code can be cleaned up a lot with C++ templates, but it's not necessary to untangle the SCM parts.
14:48:09 <gjanssens> Ok
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15:02:44 <jralls> gjanssens, GncAddSwigCommand.cmake doesn't seem to get dependencies right. If I change a header that's used to generate swig-foo.c it doesn't regenerate it unless I clear out my build directory and rerun cmake.
15:03:26 <gjanssens> jralls: indeed, I have observed that in the past as well.
15:04:08 <gjanssens> So far it has happened infrequently enough that I didn't bother chasing it
15:04:33 <gjanssens> Of course if you are really in swig experimentation, that will become annoying
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15:04:51 <jralls> Yeah, it just did.
15:04:58 * gjanssens is trying to wrap his head around CRTP
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15:05:12 <gjanssens> Reading the wiki page now
15:06:00 <jralls> It's a fun way of incorporating typed interface. Jonathan Boccarra had a good explanation, let me see if I can find it for you.
15:06:22 <jralls> Here we go: https://www.fluentcpp.com/2017/05/12/curiously-recurring-template-pattern/
15:06:56 <jralls> and https://www.fluentcpp.com/2018/05/22/how-to-transform-a-hierarchy-of-virtual-methods-into-a-crtp/
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15:08:17 <jralls> The objective is to get compile-time dispatch instead of vtable lookups at runtime.
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15:14:49 <gjanssens> Which is reflected in the fact the base class uses static_cast instead of dynamic_cast, right ?
15:17:10 <jralls> Right.
15:18:45 <jralls> Actually, no, not really. dynamic_cast is weird, it's a runtime thing that you do with ptrs to avoid slicing.
15:22:04 <jralls> Normal C++ inheritance works only with ptrs and references; In the CRTP base class we dereference this and static_cast the object it points to to get access to the derived class's implementation of the function. It's more like Python's duck typing than traditional C++ inheritance.
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15:23:25 <gjanssens> Ok. As Jonathan Broccara writes in his intro: it may take me a couple of re-reads over the next weeks/months before it really sticks
15:23:59 <gjanssens> I can follow what happens now, because I read the explanations, but I expect I'll have to re-read that in a few weeks...
15:25:11 <jralls> It might help to compile one of Boccara's examples and then fiddle around with it a bit.
15:29:23 <gjanssens> Probably.
15:30:41 <gjanssens> In the GncOptionBase class I didn't see the private constructor with friend T trick Jonathan mentions in his intro. Is that deliberately ?
15:31:18 <jralls> No, sloth. ;-)
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15:38:19 <gjanssens> :)
15:53:35 <gjanssens> Right that's it for tonight...
15:53:48 <gjanssens> Good luck on the options conversion!
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18:20:31 <chris> jralls: collector+ is perfectly fine however collector- sounds like an unfinished snake-case identifier!
18:20:52 <chris> gnc:coll-less is a typo should have been gnc:coll-minus
18:21:38 <chris> I think operator overloading is possible, but looks ugly overall
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18:26:33 <chris> http://paste.debian.net/1101807/ - problem is if (+) is called should it return 0 or a null commodity-collector?
18:29:17 <chris> re:naming: gnc:collector-add gnc:collector-sub are better?
18:29:31 <chris> gnc:collectors-add gnc:collectors-sub are better?
18:35:15 <chris> but too long is a problem
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18:41:33 * chris just received a bugzilla email :) yahoo is now opening floodgates
18:44:48 * chris also likes gnc:collector+ and gnc:collector-
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20:12:39 <jralls> chris, I like gnc:collector+ and gnc:collector- too. As for what to return if called with an empty list I guess it depends on what you plan to do with the merged collector. If you're going to pass it to something like `map` then an empty collector would be appropriate. Other consumers might make more sense of #f.
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