2019-09-06 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:51:36 <gjanssens> .
02:51:36 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 5 hours and 49 minutes ago: <jralls> Dunno what the problem is but the Ubuntu 16.04 travis-ci instance keeps timing out while updating itself. Latest try is https://travis-ci.org/Gnucash/gnucash/jobs/581416900.
02:59:37 <gjanssens> jralls: apparently it's all of ubuntu. The 14.04 keeps on timing out as well
02:59:58 <gjanssens> Perhaps something is wrong with the ubuntu archive rather than travis
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10:19:51 <chris> jralls - is there time to slip stream https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/tree/maint-796952-797332 before building 3.7?
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10:33:35 <chris> jralls - is there time to slip stream https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/tree/maint-796952-797332 before building 3.7?
10:33:37 <chris> oops
10:33:50 <chris> didn't mean to sound rude!
10:56:34 <fell> Debian has - like me - the problem with GCC-9 and ninja check: Bug 797356
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11:14:55 <warlord> .
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12:15:15 <jralls> chris: Yes, plenty of time. I won't tag the release until tomorrow afternoon my time (America/Cupertino).
12:17:27 <jralls> gjanssens, the problem seems worse with 16.04 than with 14.04 due to the number of updates. I do think it's a problem with archive.ubuntu.org. I tried to figure out where it's located yesterday but couldn't get a good handle on it.
12:18:45 <jralls> gjanssens, I wonder if switching to 18.04 on master would help, on the theory that there will be fewer updates to the base image.
12:19:27 <gjanssens> jralls: makes sense as we recently decided to drop support for 16.04 (because of google-test >= 1.8)
12:20:25 <jralls> Heh, you'd already set up the docker to install googletest 1.8 so that part didn't actually matter.
12:21:21 <chris> jralls: ok I think #578 is safe. I'll do final check tomorrow; will await any outcry and try defend rationale... if it proves deeply unpopular then we can reverse. still I think DM's immediate-bal (also 'canonically-tabbed = even worse) indenting is inherently wrong
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12:22:48 <jralls> chris I resisted the temptation of pointing out that normal balance sheets put subtotals and totals at the bottom under ========= and don't usually
12:22:50 <gjanssens> Hmm, oh right. Got that mixed up then.
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12:23:46 <jralls> put amounts in different columns: In other words *neither* of the formats under discussion.
12:25:04 <jralls> gjanssens, no, not really. It's true that 16.04 shipped with gtest 1.7, you'd just set up the travis docker to clone 1.8 for some other reason.
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12:28:46 <gjanssens> Apparently that bit was copied verbatim from the 14.04 docker config
12:31:56 <jralls> Heh, because 14.04 didn't have gtest at all.
12:32:18 <gjanssens> gtest 1.8 is not available as a package on 16.04, and I think we can't call it "supported" if ubuntu packagers have to install tarballs to build gnucash
12:32:38 <gjanssens> So 18.04 is the oldest officially supported :)
12:32:53 <gjanssens> Though it's all a bit hand-wavy of course.
12:32:58 <jralls> Oh, I agree about that. I was just amused about the googletest clone.
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12:33:11 <gjanssens> By the same definition we never really supported 14.04 also.
12:33:21 <gjanssens> Indeed
12:34:32 <jralls> I'm less sure about 18.04 being faster to setup on travis having looked again at the transcript. What I'd thought were updates is actually a two-phase install, build-deps gnucash and all of the other dependencies introduced by GC3.
12:35:28 <jralls> That won't change with 18.04, which also shipped GC2.6.
12:36:26 <jralls> We *should* change the version anyway, of course, it's just not going to speed up travis.
12:37:29 <jralls> I've got get groceries, back in a couple of hours.
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13:07:47 <chris> jralls: ok I think #578 is safe. I'll do final check tomorrow; will await any outcry and try defend rationale... if it proves deeply unpopular then we can reverse. still I think DM's immediate-bal (also 'canonically-tabbed = even worse) indenting is inherently wrong
13:07:51 <chris> oops again
13:08:08 <chris> I do <up><enter> all the time to run tests
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13:29:09 <Cydo> Hi! Is there any way I can simulate the amount of tax I will pay at the end of the year estimated from my "salaries" account as an entry in the tax account that updates automatically? I'd be willing to write some code to do it! Thank you :)
13:29:55 <fell> Cydo: your region?
13:30:39 <Cydo> France
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13:31:50 <Cydo> I can take the sum of my salaries as an input and give the estimate as an output myself
13:32:30 <Cydo> (if needed)
13:34:19 <fell> Hm, estimation for the whole year, hm, hm
13:35:05 <fell> I never tested, if budgeting could help.
13:35:44 <fell> Another approach could be terminated transactions
13:36:29 <Cydo> By terminated, you mean "reconciled"?
13:36:38 <fell> scheduled
13:36:47 <Cydo> oh I see
13:36:59 <Cydo> and I would change the amount manually
13:37:05 <Cydo> of the scheduled transaction?
13:38:04 <fell> Create a SX with your monthly salary, income tax, ...
13:39:14 <fell> and then let generate them for the current year
13:39:53 <Cydo> Ah I forgot a naughty detail
13:40:07 <Cydo> I don't have a fixed amount each month
13:40:10 <Cydo> :/
13:40:16 <Cydo> that may have worked though
13:41:00 <Cydo> Also the french system is kind of strange, it's tier-based : like from 0 to 20k you'd owe 15% and from 20k to 70k you'd owe 30% on the part above 20k
13:41:30 <Cydo> that does make things a bit complicated
13:43:19 <fell> Perhaps you should ask gnucash-user@gnucash.org, how others handle it.
13:43:34 <Cydo> Thanks, I will!
13:43:41 <Cydo> Do you think I could change a GnuCash file with an automated solution, or would that likely break the software?
13:44:03 <Cydo> Because things might get unbalanced if I don't things correctly I suppose
13:44:33 <fell> You could use the python interface.
13:45:07 <Cydo> fell: I think this is exactly what I needed
13:45:13 <Cydo> did not know it existed
13:45:20 <Cydo> Thank you so much for your help :)
13:45:21 <fell> look in the wiki
13:45:30 <Cydo> yep, found it!
13:46:44 <fell> welcome
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15:32:18 <jralls> gjanssens: The python2 setup in arch-testscript isn't needed anymore, is it?
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15:42:55 <fell> jralls AFAIK we switched to Python3
15:43:39 <jralls> fell: That's my understanding as well.
15:44:54 <jralls> Whatever was wrong with archive.ubuntu.org is fixed, the master travis-CI finally passed.
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17:10:56 <gjanssens> jralls: I think python2 can go indeed.
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21:41:43 <fell> @tell chris Can we remove the ";(gnc:warn ..." lines from taxinvoice.scm? They appear in gnucash.pot.
21:41:43 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
21:46:38 <fell> @tell chris ... or insert a linebreak before the next "(_ "
21:46:38 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
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