2019-08-19 GnuCash IRC logs

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06:50:34 <warlord> .
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08:25:08 <fell> magic_ninja, ddyou see the different layout options of pdftotxt?
08:29:32 <fell> warlord, I wonder if you could display the size limit for attachments either on https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/ or https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
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08:31:13 <fell> E.g. If someone sends a po to the list will it go through or await moderation?
08:32:36 <warlord> fell, yes, it goes into the moderation queue.
08:32:56 <warlord> Each list can set the moderation-size limit individually.
08:33:02 <warlord> The mailserver limit is something like 10MB
08:34:13 <fell> The form listinfo/* gan not display it
08:34:44 <fell> ... can ... ?
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08:36:27 <warlord> I don't think there is an easy option to display that list setting.
08:36:47 <warlord> But the sender will get an email notifying them that their message is too large and waiting for moderator approval.
08:36:59 <warlord> (at least I THINK they get notification)
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08:44:22 <fell> warlord, yes I got one when I sent an updated de.mo to gnucash-de.
08:44:41 <warlord> ok
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09:33:57 <fell> Chris, can you add to https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Special_characters_and_other_tips, "%" (percent), Reordering parameters add a SCM example?
09:35:26 <chris> fell: already has ~ - I can expand
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09:42:25 <fell> chris, for Reordering parameters
09:57:16 <fell> thx, chris, but the sentence about (display var) vs. (write var) belongs to https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/I18N#How_to_make_strings_in_code_translatable
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10:10:59 <chris> fell: feel free to change. I don't know what you mean.
10:13:26 <fell> As translator I don't know anything about (display ) and (write ), only msgid and msgstr. So it belongs to the programmers page I18N, I assume.
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13:19:56 <fell> chris: Good question on user: Can we allign HTML cells by decimal?
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14:10:55 <TommyT> I installed flatpak via flathub on my Ubuntu Bionic 18.04 system but got weird errors
14:11:05 <TommyT> https://pastebin.com/scjbprQ3
14:11:15 <warlord> TommyT, gjanssens is the flathub guru
14:11:42 <TommyT> I'm not on irc much. should I @gjannsens ping him
14:13:08 <TommyT> gjanssens
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14:18:28 <warlord> He's been pinged. it is 20h18 for him right now so might be at dinner.
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14:19:38 <TommyT> OK thanks. I'm about to be away for a few minutes myself
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15:39:32 <WestTown551> hey guys, I'd like to use GnuCash for my business accounting and personal finance. I
15:39:32 <WestTown551> want to outsource the bookkeeping and accounting. Where can I find someone
15:39:32 <WestTown551> with GnuCash experience to hire? I posted a job on Upwork a while ago, but
15:39:32 <WestTown551> got virtually no responses, and the one person that appeared to be qualified
15:39:32 <WestTown551> was not. I have a small business, so this would probably be just a few hours
15:39:33 <WestTown551> a week of work. Does anyone have someone that I could outsource this work to?
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15:48:36 <gjanssens> TommyT: there have been several reports of similar errors on the flatpak/org.gnucash.GnuCash github page.
15:49:47 <gjanssens> The most recent one is https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/issues/24
15:51:39 <gjanssens> As a test, can you compare the timestamps (file modification times) of say
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15:54:02 <gjanssens> (FP_INSTALL_LOCATION)/share/guile//2.2/system/base/syntax.scm and (FP_INSTALL_LOCATION)/lib/guile/2.2/ccache/system/base/syntax.go
15:55:13 <warlord> WestTown551, you can try emailing gnucash-user@gnucash.org to ask
15:56:37 <gjanssens> You can open a shell the sandbox to get this info by running "flatpak run --command=sh org.gnucash.GnuCash"
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16:01:04 <gjanssens> TommyT: I have added more detailed test commands on the issue.
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16:34:22 <TommyT> gjanssens : I'm back at my system and am trying to figure out what you need
16:34:42 <TommyT> I opened a flatpak shell
16:36:54 <TommyT> OK from within the shell:
16:36:57 <TommyT> [📦 org.gnucash.GnuCash ~]$ ls -l /app/share/guile/2.2/system/base/syntax.scm
16:37:00 <TommyT> -rw-r--r-- 2 nfsnobody nfsnobody 13141 Aug 19 12:17 /app/share/guile/2.2/system/base/syntax.scm
16:37:02 <TommyT> [📦 org.gnucash.GnuCash ~]$ ls -l /app/lib/guile/2.2/ccache/system/base/syntax.go
16:37:04 <TommyT> -rw-r--r-- 2 nfsnobody nfsnobody 86493 Aug 19 12:15 /app/lib/guile/2.2/ccache/system/base/syntax.go
16:37:06 <TommyT> [📦 org.gnucash.GnuCash ~]$
16:37:50 <TommyT> If I run the full command with "flatpak run" I get "file not found"
16:38:45 <warlord> Interesting that the .scm file is newer than the .go file.
16:42:14 <TommyT> I don't know if this is helpful:
16:42:18 <TommyT> $ flatpak info org.gnucash.GnuCash
16:42:23 <TommyT> GnuCash - Manage your finances, accounts, and investments
16:42:27 <TommyT> ID: org.gnucash.GnuCash
16:42:29 <TommyT> Ref: app/org.gnucash.GnuCash/x86_64/stable
16:42:31 <TommyT> Arch: x86_64
16:42:33 <TommyT> Branch: stable
16:42:35 <TommyT> License: GPL-2.0+
16:42:37 <TommyT> Origin: flathub
16:42:39 <TommyT> Collection: org.flathub.Stable
16:42:41 <TommyT> Installation: system
16:42:43 <TommyT> Installed: 221.9 MB
16:42:45 <TommyT> Runtime: org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.32
16:42:47 <TommyT> Sdk: org.gnome.Sdk/x86_64/3.32
16:42:51 <TommyT> Commit: 3062993d3a583c4a70256d145166fd9c53e3a44516ceffbed5ab07997abacf3b
16:42:53 <TommyT> Parent: 9425716dfd12db6d219d49c6296f4ac6b1e6577832150b13afcd6cfead4fe1c1
16:42:55 <TommyT> Subject: Include documentation (30b63f16)
16:42:57 <TommyT> Date: 2019-08-17 21:01:40 +0000
16:44:14 <fell> It seems to require a make clean
16:45:46 <TommyT> fell : is make clean something I can do within the flatpak?
16:46:25 <fell> or rm in your .cache/SCM or guile directory
16:46:54 <TommyT> I can try those things as described in https://github.com/flathub/org.gnucash.GnuCash/issues/24
16:49:09 <fell> yes, i seems related
16:50:25 <TommyT> I just deleted the caches as described and it fails the same way
16:51:42 <TommyT> I just tried GUILE_AUTO_COMPILE=0
16:52:21 <TommyT> the processor on this old 2-core system is maxxed out
16:52:54 <TommyT> but no errors yet except the complaint about the file dates
16:56:38 <TommyT> it finally started up. VERY slow; and the cache rebuild maxxed out the processor but it's going now
16:58:08 <TommyT> now that everything is loaded, things are OK on this test file
16:58:56 <TommyT> I am getting memory errors on the console
16:58:59 <TommyT> Memory pressure relief: Total: res = 13316096/13312000/-4096, res+swap = 8892416/8892416/0
16:59:02 <TommyT> Memory pressure relief: Total: res = 12992512/12992512/0, res+swap = 8581120/8581120/0
16:59:32 <TommyT> but this is an old system with not so much RAM, I think
17:00:08 <TommyT> yes it reports 2.9Gb RAM (probably subtracting video ram)
17:05:26 <warlord> well, flatpak is going to take more RAM because you're not using any (local) shared libraries
17:11:38 <TommyT> Yeah, I can barely run Chromium plus GnuCash on this old system, and I usually run Chromium + FireFox + Thunderbird + multiple instances of GnuCash
17:12:21 <TommyT> SO If I'm going to run the flatpak it's going to have to be a more modern system
17:14:08 <TommyT> Unfortunately it looks like for now I'm going to have to downgrade to the distribution version of GnuCash to get some data entry done
17:28:44 <warlord> probably.
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17:44:03 <gjanssens> TommyT: thanks for the tests. The first two (the ls commands) indicate the .scm file is newer than its compiled .go version.
17:44:13 <gjanssens> This is not so when the flatpak is built
17:44:34 <gjanssens> So the installation of a flatpak on modern systems seems to screw this up.
17:45:02 <gjanssens> In most cases this is not really an issue, but for guile it matters: it checks time stamps to determine whether it should recompile the sources.
17:45:22 <gjanssens> I will have to take this up with upstream flatpak developers I believe.
17:51:10 <gjanssens> More on another day. Good night!
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