2019-06-16 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:15:33 <chris> oops distcheck did pass
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10:23:36 <chris> In addition to book-accounting-period, shouldn't there also be a 'book-default-currency' to replace the global 'report-default-currency' ?
10:23:58 <chris> Mainly of use to people who maintain books in several countries
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11:07:55 <chris> @tell gjanssens gnc:second-html-build-acct-table has also been unused since forever but I didn't formally deprecate it -- should we remove it in master?
11:07:55 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
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11:13:06 <medical-democrat> Hi all. New to gnucash and IRC. Now reading https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/more_help.html . Any other suggestions for newbies?
11:14:57 <chris> medical-democrat: welcome, and enjoy using GnuCash! this guide will get you started very quickly!
11:15:43 <chris> don't hesitate to ask questions, people not always online on IRC so be patient
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11:23:18 <medical-democrat> Thanks chris!
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11:38:45 <chris> ubuntu-16.04 on travis having blips and restart usually fixes it
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13:49:09 <medical-democrat> GnuCash guide reads in part, "Most users will probably have only one data file." But I have a teenage kid who is already beginning to become financially independent, with his own set of bank accounts, etc. I'm contributing to his finances now, but he'll soon be totally independent financially. I want to set up both of us for using GnuCash. And because he'll eventually be financially independent, Oshould I create two GnuCash files,
13:49:10 <medical-democrat> or me and one for him?
13:50:03 <medical-democrat> If I do create two GnuCash files, how would I handle the accounting for moving money between the two files? Maybe import/export?
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15:07:38 <Simon> you can't import/export them because they'll have a different meaning in each file
15:07:51 <Simon> but yes you probably want to create two files
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15:16:54 <jralls> fell: They don't do that.
15:22:02 <jralls> chris: The book's default currency is that of the root account. It's set as part of the New Account Hierarchy Setup Assistant.
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15:23:58 <jralls> medical-democrat: Yes, do set up separate files (aka books). You'll transfer by recording an expense transaction in one and an income transaction in the other.
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16:04:26 <medical-democrat> Thanks Simon and jralls for replies.
16:06:36 <medical-democrat> For both XML and SQLite file formats, I do NOT need to run MySQL or PostGreSQL. Correct?
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16:18:50 <medical-democrat> Reading in the guide now "Table 2.2. Application Settings Locations" and I note that preferences are stored in dconf in Linux, but in gnucash.plist in OSX. If the preferences are stored differently between the two OSs, will it be safe for me to copy my gnucash data file(s) (book(s)) back and forth from one computer running Linux to another running OSX on a routine basis? Or is that asking for problems?
16:28:45 <medical-democrat> It looks like the Tutorial that opens when I launch GnuCash for the first time and choose the last option and click OK is the same document as the GnuCash guide (with some additional formatting), but it also looks like everywhere in the Tutorial that the guide has the word "GnuCash", the Tutorial just leaves that word "GnuCash" out.
16:30:00 <medical-democrat> For example, from the Tutorial, in the first "Putting It All Together" section, I see: "First, lets create a file to store your real data. Open and select File..." But in the GnuCash Guide, that same section reads: "First, let’s create a file to store your real data. Open GnuCash and select File..."
16:30:16 <medical-democrat> Is that a bug?
16:35:30 <medical-democrat> I searched bugzilla (Documentation->Help->All Status) and found nothing about it, but maybe it's there without my search keywords ("gnucash" "missing")? Is this a known problem?
16:44:15 <medical-democrat> I'd like to contribute small fixes to the documentation as I find typos. I created an account for myself on bugs.gnucash.org, but where would I contribute a minor change to the documentation like changing the word "Forward" to the word "Next" in the Guide sentence: "The first screen of the assistant gives you a description of what the assistant does. Click the Forward button to proceed to the next screen."
16:48:04 <medical-democrat> The guide also omits any mention of the "New Book Options" screen. I'm guessing I can leave those settings as is, but the guide would be more complete if it said so.
16:49:42 <medical-democrat> Oops. I see now that the "New Book Options" discussion is in the guide after all, just listed in the wrong order (step 3 instead of 2 where it seems it should be).
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17:46:34 <medical-democrat> An LLC is treated for tax purposes as no different than the individual (no separate corporate taxes, yet the owner of the LLC is sheltered from some liability just like the owners of a corporation are sheltered from this liability). So if I own an LLC, should the accounts for it be incorporated into my personal accounts? It seems like the answer to this question should be "Yes", but I'm new here, so asking the experts.
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18:40:49 <fell> medical-democrat: read https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Documentation_Update_Instructions
18:43:22 <fell> Easiest (for us) would be pull requests on github
18:44:44 <fell> about the missing "GnuCash": I saw it once, so better create a bug (with URLs)
18:54:36 <medical-democrat> Thanks fell. I've forked the gnucash-docs repo into my github account. I'll make the changes, push them to my fork, then issue a pull request as you suggested. I'll try to remember to submit the bug after I test my ability to make small changes to the docs. What exactly are you referring to when you write, "(with URLs)". Do you mean the URLs to the docs with the missing "GnuCash" word? They must be on almost every page or section..
18:56:24 <fell> Yes, but I did not completely understand you descrition above.
18:58:45 <medical-democrat> The word "GnuCash" is missing from the Help Tutorial accesses through the GnuCash application as in the example I listed. Slightly more detail follows:
18:59:05 <medical-democrat> For example, from the Tutorial, in the first "Putting It All Together" section, I see: "First, lets create a file to store your real data. Open and select File..." But in the [PDF] GnuCash Guide, that same section reads: "First, let’s create a file to store your real data. Open GnuCash and select File..."
18:59:37 <medical-democrat> Notice that the word, "GnuCash" is missing from the Tutorial but present in the PDF of the guide.
19:01:42 <medical-democrat> Can you recommend a Linux-based text editor for making changes to the guide while preserving the existing layout of the existing guide files? I use emacs and vim, but don't want to fight with line lengths. Would prefer the editor automatically wrap at (roughly) the column existing lines have been wrapped.
19:05:42 <medical-democrat> And for the English (my only language), should I be modifying the files in gnucash-docs/guide/C? For example, I think for the typos I mentioned above, I should be editing gnucash-docs/guide/C/ch_basics.xml. Is that correct?
19:06:10 <fell> Interesting, so it is in pdf, but not in html?
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19:06:34 <medical-democrat> Well, not in the html of the tutorial help file. I haven't checked the www version.
19:09:04 <fell> I use eclipse's xml editor or kate, but there are many a) pure text editors with syntax highlighting, b) WYSIWIG XML editors.
19:11:52 <fell> I believe at some time we will have to define a preferred format and reformat the docs.
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19:12:28 <fell> Currently just use the style of your current document.
19:16:32 <medical-democrat> Ok. I don't understand this instruction: "Note: If you intend to test invoking help from GnuCash programs, you should add the --prefix=... option to the configure command below now to save having to rerun it later." Can you elaborate on the "--prefix=..."? What should --prefix= be set to, in order to test invoking help from GnuCash programs?
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19:20:06 <fell> Probably https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux explains the prefix better.
19:22:53 <fell> If you istall below $HOME there is no need to run *sudo* make install
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19:42:57 <medical-democrat> That link makes no mention of what configure --prefix= should be set to. Or is that synonymous with things like CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX? If so, there's still no mention of what I should set it to "...if you intend to test invoking help from GnuCash programs..."
19:44:59 <medical-democrat> I'll just leave it out. Seems like something someone else can do later.
19:46:26 <fell> It is the difference between the build systems docs;autotools, --prefix and code:cmake, CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX
19:47:39 <medical-democrat> How do I make the pdf?
19:56:02 <medical-democrat> "make pdf" does not make a pdf for me. Yet I'm seeing no errors.
19:56:38 <medical-democrat> maybe I'm missing "fo"?
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19:58:12 <medical-democrat> What is fo? Which package will I find it in on Fedora?
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20:07:19 <medical-democrat> I'm seeing "fo" command not found and "l" command not found errors. I did "dnf builddep gnucash" and "dnf builddep gnucash-docs". What am I missing?
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20:17:50 <medical-democrat> I just noticed this: "Note: The configure command may issue a WARNING complaining that fop was not found and that you will not be able to generate PDF files." So is fo a part of fop?
20:20:44 <fell> Apache Fop is used to generate pdf, mobi, epub
20:24:41 <fell> How about i.e. https://fedora.pkgs.org/28/fedora-x86_64/fop-2.0-9.fc28.noarch.rpm.html
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22:06:01 <medical-democrat> Thanks for the suggestion. I just did "dnf install fop" and installed it that way. This gets me a pdf now.
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