2019-06-07 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:02:14 <gjanssens> .
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04:15:35 <gjanssens> warlord: fyi, the nightly master build stalled at 98%. I have killed it so there will be no master nightly today. To keep an eye on tomorrow...
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08:13:35 <warlord> gjanssens, you mean windows? or flatpak?
08:13:57 <warlord> CDB-Man, correct, they do not combine in that way.
08:41:12 <chris> warlord I'm guessing Windows... the build log is showing weirdness https://code.gnucash.org/builds/win32/build-logs/build-master-2019-06-07-03-01-00.log
08:41:23 * chris hopes it's not chris fault
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08:47:56 <chris> quick qu: how to regenerate *.po files?
08:50:20 <warlord> running 'make' in /po ?
08:57:13 <chris> we don't use make anymore I think
09:03:04 <warlord> we do. or at least we can
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09:31:33 <chris> interesting in fr.po they translate asset/liability to actif/passif... should be biens/dettes i.e goods/debts
09:31:38 <chris> (IMHO)
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10:23:21 <gjanssens> warlord: that was on windows indeed.
10:23:51 <gjanssens> chris: there's no make/ninja-build target to regenerate a po file
10:24:28 <gjanssens> It's typically only done by a translator when it fits their workflow
10:25:11 <gjanssens> The command is "msgmerge <path/to/po-file.po> <path/to/gnucash.pot>"
10:25:44 <gjanssens> We don't regenerate po files en masse as that may interfere with work translators are doing locally.
10:26:34 <gjanssens> As for "activ/passiv", in Belgium we do have "Actief/Passief", and similar terms are used in Germany
10:27:22 <gjanssens> So I don't know what's the proper term in French, but actif/passif doesn't sound wrong to me either
10:31:39 <warlord> gjanssens, I got a PM from a user trying to join the channel but apparently was banned. I didn't see them in the banlist, but not sure how to "unban" them. (they probably are not around now anyways). Not sure what to do.
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10:39:11 <gjanssens> warlord: I have no idea either.
10:39:21 <gjanssens> Was that user really banned or just silenced ?
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10:40:51 <warlord> I have no idea. I wasn't around when they PMed me.
10:41:11 <warlord> (at 19:27 yesterday)
10:41:25 <warlord> I responded at 08:31 today, but no response.
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11:11:17 <gjannsens> .
11:11:17 <gncbot> gjannsens: Sent 2 weeks, 5 days, 20 hours, and 20 minutes ago: <jralls> How far back the Fedora chain do we want to support building on? 3.3.2 would require at least F22. Debian stable has 3.7 but oldstable (a.k.a. jessie) has only 3.0.
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11:13:18 <gjanssens> @tell jralls I think "stable and currently supported" are a large enough support surface. Fedora currently support F28-F30. I wouldn't look further back. Same for Debian Stable. Oldstable is a bit too far back for me.
11:13:18 <gncbot> gjanssens: The operation succeeded.
11:14:08 <gjanssens> @tell jralls While not completely correct I assume people sticking to old releases don't like updates in general, so they should be able to live with a slightly older gnucash release as well.
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11:16:08 <gjanssens> @tell jralls other topic: our build server is currently running with gcc 7.4 where my VM has gcc 9.1. I'm having build issues (guile not finding libgnc-gnome while compiling qif-import.so) and I wonder if this could be due to the more recent tool chain.
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11:18:40 <gjanssens> @tell jralls My first idea was to update the build server for comparision, but then I figured I better wait until after 3.6 is released to avoid potential surprises during the release. However what do you see on your own VMs when doing a clean gnucash build (gnucash only, not the support packages) ?
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11:23:44 <gjanssens> warlord: I just saw a similar deadlock on the buildserver for maint (a build I started myself half an hour ago)
11:24:17 <gjanssens> The build just hangs at a a certain point, this time 100% build
11:24:52 <gjanssens> I killed the build and restarted as I'm currently more interested in the build result than fixing the stalling
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11:25:57 <gjanssens> It's odd behaviour though...
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11:40:53 <gjanssens> The restarted build does continue, so it seems to be glitch of some kind that makes the system wait for something forever
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11:55:29 <warlord> gjanssens, that's very odd.. Wish we could tell what it is?
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12:01:52 <fell> Sufficient RAM and disk space?
12:02:42 <gjanssens> fell: I think so: 12Gb of RAM, 11Gb free disk space
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15:34:14 <warlord> gjanssens, w.r.t. the blocked user, it appears to be this ban causing his issue: * #gnucash: *!*@*.bc.googleusercontent.com on Wed Jan 2 11:18:18 2019 by irc.acc.umu.se
15:34:35 <warlord> Not sure if I should unban this whole block, or suggest he change to a different host?
15:39:35 <warlord> fell, do you have an opinion?
15:40:31 <gjanssens> Was that address spamming us in the past ? It shouldn't matter anymore as users have to request voice these days
15:40:52 <gjanssens> So unblocking that network segment shouldn't increase spam
15:42:36 <gjanssens> chris: I have a guile challenge...
15:42:53 <gjanssens> I have moved a guile module to a different installation location
15:43:18 <gjanssens> (gnucash report report-system) is now (gnucash report report) in my local branch
15:44:00 <gjanssens> For compatibility I would like to emit a deprecation warning when users try to (use-modules (gnucash report report-system))
15:44:32 <gjanssens> However I don't want to install a gnucash/report/report-system.scm file to do so
15:45:03 <gjanssens> This is just one example, there are a bunch of files like that, some of which even move to a different directory
15:45:56 <gjanssens> As I'm eliminating the report-system directory, I no longer want to install scm files in there, but I do want guile to emit a deprecation warning if the user tries to use-module one of the old module names
15:46:24 <gjanssens> This seems to be a challenge as guile resolves modules by translating the module name into a relative path.
15:46:29 <fell> warlord, why are this bans set by irc.acc.mu
15:46:57 <fell> umu.se - one of the irc servers - and not by us
15:46:58 <warlord> fell, dunno..
15:47:16 <gjanssens> So (gnucash report report-system) is searched for in <%load-path>/gnucash/report/report-system.scm
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15:48:02 <exarkun> warlord: Hello. Thank you.
15:48:04 <fell> I believe we can lift all bans for now.
15:48:11 <gjanssens> I can define modules in a file with a different path and (load <file>) to load the module definition, however that would trigger the deprecation warning at the wrong time.
15:48:24 <warlord> fell, maybe. I was debating making the channel unmoderated again.
15:48:39 <gjanssens> namely when that file is loaded instead of when the user calls (use-modules (module))
15:49:16 <gjanssens> chris: can you think of a way to achieve this anyway without resorting back to installing stubs in gnucash/report/report-system ?
15:50:57 <fell> The bans, which I have set, were either from the bot attack last year or nightly fly bys with alt right or super bowl paroles.
15:52:56 <fell> ANd there might be a few with misconfigured thunderbird clients from years ago.
15:57:56 <warlord> exarkun, so now that you're here -- did you have a question? ;)
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18:08:12 <jralls> @tell gjanssens warlord the new guile is hanging up on the Windows VM, you can see it in Task Manager. Maybe I should roll back the base commit to the April one.
18:08:12 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
18:08:13 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 3 days, 15 hours, and 25 minutes ago: <gjanssens> According to https://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-9/changes.html gcc 9 will have Support for opening file streams with wide character paths on Windows
18:08:14 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 3 days, 15 hours, and 24 minutes ago: <gjanssens> That may eventually allow us to simplify our current path handling on that platform...
18:08:15 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 6 hours and 54 minutes ago: <gjanssens> I think stable and currently supported are a large enough support surface. Fedora currently support F28-F30. I wouldn't look further back. Same for Debian Stable. Oldstable is a bit too far back for me.
18:08:16 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 6 hours and 54 minutes ago: <gjanssens> While not completely correct I assume people sticking to old releases don't like updates in general, so they should be able to live with a slightly older gnucash release as well.
18:08:17 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 6 hours and 52 minutes ago: <gjanssens> other topic: our build server is currently running with gcc 7.4 where my VM has gcc 9.1. I'm having build issues (guile not finding libgnc-gnome while compiling qif-import.so) and I wonder if this could be due to the more recent tool chain.
18:08:18 <gncbot> jralls: Sent 6 hours and 49 minutes ago: <gjanssens> My first idea was to update the build server for comparision, but then I figured I better wait until after 3.6 is released to avoid potential surprises during the release. However what do you see on your own VMs when doing a clean gnucash build (gnucash only, not the support packages) ?
18:10:25 <jralls> warlord, I got a pm from someone with a nick starting with "pwn" complaining that he was banned. Since we ban people only for spamming, and considering the nick, I figured it was a sort of phishing attack and ignored it.
18:18:29 <exarkun> warlord: I do. :)
18:19:19 <exarkun> I posted an invoice and then processed a payment (using the invoice process payment ui) and then mistakenly _unposted_ and edited the invoice, then tried to restore the original state of the invoice and re-posted it.
18:20:13 <exarkun> Now apparently the invoice payment is not associated with the invoice anymore. I didn't notice the problem until I started getting reminders about the invoice being overdue (so I have now entered a lot more transactions since I caused the problem).
18:20:18 <exarkun> is this repairable?
18:51:15 <warlord> exarkun, you will need to re-apply the payment to the invoice. Just process the payment again and choose the existing payment split.
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19:52:58 <jralls> @tell gjanssens A clean build on Win7 with gcc-9.1 works for me with last Monday's 170691 but fails with today's HEAD. Failure is in building qif-import.go, problem is inability to load libgnc-gnome.dll. I've started a bisect but probably won't get it finished tonight.
19:52:58 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
20:02:48 <chris> @tell gjanssens - the (use-modules (...)) is a macro. I suspect we could redefine the macro and attach a backward-compatibility list.
20:02:48 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
20:12:57 <exarkun> warlord: Hm. If I choose "Process payment" then I'm giving the option of two splits relating to the invoice. One is a "Paymend" and one is a "Refund".
20:14:11 <exarkun> Or maybe one is an "Invoice" and one is a "Pre-payment"
20:16:56 <exarkun> Actually I might not know what I'm talking about when I'm saying "splits". I guess it's the part of a double-entry transaction that's in one account?
20:18:20 <exarkun> But the "process payment" dialog lists two related "Documents", one of type "Invoice" with non-zero values in the "debit" and "payment" fields, the other of type "Pre-Payment" with non-zero values in the "credit" and "refund" fields.
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