2019-05-31 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:59:58 <gjanssens> .
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07:50:46 * chris can't answer csingley, hopefully someone more experienced can :)
07:52:22 <chris> also gjanssens I'm guessing that it is very difficult to scrutinise my book-reports branch?
07:53:56 <warlord> .
07:54:24 <gjanssens> chris: it's on my list. I intend to take a closer look somewhere soonish
07:55:45 <chris> no pressure -- just confirming my guess that reading someone else's code is practically unreadable to others
07:56:17 <gjanssens> Right now I'm fighting with an old WinXP VM I have to keep alive for 6 more years...
07:56:25 <gjanssens> warlord: virt-v2v was a good tip
07:56:41 <gjanssens> I have managed to start the WinXP vm on ovirt
07:56:50 <gjanssens> Unfortunately it's extremely fragile
07:57:04 <gjanssens> Installing the virtio drivers causes it to bsod
07:57:53 <gjanssens> As it's mostly for legal reasons I have to keep it around, I have decided to change as little as possible so it keeps running
07:58:54 <gjanssens> A few minimal changes will be needed anyway, I'm now figuring out a minimal set that won't break the VM and allows me to still use it for what it's meant...
07:59:01 <gjanssens> Slippery slope...
08:07:42 <warlord> gjanssens, good luck! But glad I helped you get closer.
08:08:54 <gjanssens> Yeah, looks like the virtIO scsi driver is the culprit. As soon as I add a second disk via the virtio interface it fails
08:09:00 <gjanssens> Adding via IDE works
08:09:04 <gjanssens> Fingers crossed :)
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08:10:33 <chris> https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Scheme-vs-C.html warlord having crossed that bridge why would I want to learn C/C++? apart from being able to hack code
08:10:47 <chris> (not joking)
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08:11:47 <warlord> chris, in order to hack code! :)
08:12:04 <warlord> gjanssens, *crossed*
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08:21:14 <gjanssens> chris: the disadvantages of guile are not mentioned on that page:
08:21:48 <gjanssens> - it's a serious maintenance burden to jralls to be able to use guile on Windows (getting it to build and run)
08:22:04 <gjanssens> - it is (as far as I understand) not allowed on ios
08:22:41 <gjanssens> - from the C code's point of view, having to interface with guile considerably complicates the source code
08:22:57 <gjanssens> It's really all a matter of the point of view you start from...
08:23:50 <gjanssens> I agree the interatiion agility you get with a scripted language is a big plus which we don't have with C(++)
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08:24:53 <gjanssens> On the other hand my IDE does live code verification so I can catch plenty of errors (syntax errors, semantic errors) before even compiling anything
08:25:02 <warlord> On the other hand the lack of "compile time" issues means that API changes only get found by users when they exercise the code.
08:25:40 <gjanssens> That is another disadvantage and it has bitten us more than once in guile code indeed.
08:27:46 <warlord> yep
08:36:26 <chris> summary, good for prototyping, but at mercy of wingo's tastes and moods
08:37:17 <warlord> chris, yes, that is very true
08:47:34 <chris> my POV mainly coming from a non-C background, learned BASIC->TPascal->Python->scheme over 30 years
08:50:49 <warlord> Ahh, I see the problem there. I think you have a problem in step #3 ;)
08:51:15 <warlord> The step from Pascal -> C is, IMHO, a little smaller than Pascal -> Python
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09:06:56 <gjanssens> I agree
09:07:21 <gjanssens> I come from more or less the same path, but had C instead of Python :)
09:07:51 <warlord> :)
09:07:52 <gjanssens> So mine is BASIC->Pascal->C->C++->python/scheme
09:07:53 <warlord> Me too. :)
09:08:39 <warlord> Except I had RPG-II and COBOL in there at some point. Don't recall if that was before or after pascal. It was definitely before C
09:09:36 <gjanssens> The time span is similar though, I think I'm programming for about 34 years now
09:10:12 * gjanssens is surprised when actually calculating that
09:10:18 <gjanssens> It seems much less
09:10:41 <warlord> I started in 1978 or 1979..
09:10:51 <warlord> So almost 40 years for me.
09:10:54 <warlord> Wow. Scary.
09:11:04 <gjanssens> It is, isn't it!
09:12:01 <warlord> Four decades of programming. *sigh*
09:12:13 <gjanssens> BTW I managed to beat the WinXP machine into submission :) The proprietary app starts properly again (and much faster as a bonus)
09:12:46 <warlord> YAY
09:12:56 <warlord> So IDE (vs SCSI) fixed it?
09:13:03 <gjanssens> yes
09:13:11 <warlord> cool
09:13:21 <gjanssens> in addition to not installing the virtio scsi driver
09:13:51 <gjanssens> It will claim to detect it as new hardware on every reboot
09:14:01 <gjanssens> I just have to remember NOT installing it :)
09:14:08 <warlord> ok
09:14:58 <gjanssens> Time to complete my migration notes
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09:16:11 <warlord> yep.
09:19:41 <gjanssens> warlord: you may be interested in my glusterfs experiment
09:20:03 <gjanssens> I did set it up for network file sharing on my lan, but eventually reverted back to nfs
09:20:26 <warlord> Oh? Why is that?
09:20:27 <gjanssens> The performance on gluster was much lower than with nfs
09:20:40 <warlord> Interesting.
09:20:42 <gjanssens> That was particularly noticable on large directories
09:20:57 * chris never had to code for work, so, never really had to battle segfaults professionally... hence C will be an unforgiveable wall
09:21:35 <gjanssens> And worse, I have constant permission problems with git operations on worktrees on glusterfs
09:21:57 <warlord> Wow. Interesting.
09:22:01 <gjanssens> Perhaps those are all down to my lack on understanding of the proper glusterfs tunables
09:22:13 <gjanssens> But it was unworkable so I decided to just go with nfs again
09:22:17 <warlord> The default settings should really "just work"
09:22:24 <gjanssens> That's what I hoped
09:22:37 <warlord> If it really requires tuning to make it work for the default case, then something is wrong.
09:22:40 <gjanssens> And in a way it did except for git work trees
09:23:15 <gjanssens> I could only run one modifying command at the time (like a git pull, git commit, ...)
09:23:34 <gjanssens> And then had the run a chmod 770 on the whole tree to run the next command
09:23:59 <warlord> WOW.
09:24:03 <warlord> That's...... odd.
09:24:08 <gjanssens> Again, it may have been something silly, but there were too many moving targets already to continue to chase this one
09:24:14 <warlord> umask didn't work?
09:24:52 <gjanssens> Didn't try changing it, my umask is 0007 so that should be ok
09:25:20 <warlord> I have mine set to 2
09:25:24 <gjanssens> I suspect it was something to do with extended file permissions
09:25:39 <warlord> Oh. Maybe.
09:26:08 <gjanssens> I had set up a scheme for more flexibility. Perhaps git didn't like it
09:26:17 <gjanssens> Other tools had no issues with it.
09:27:33 <gjanssens> Anyway, as I only have one server, glusterfs was mostly an experiment with no real benefit (except for the use of posixACL's which nfs doesn't support)
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09:50:25 <warlord> I dont use posix acls... specifically because they are.. different..
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10:47:31 <chris> gjanssens: what's the status on the mistake-merge? are you still figuring out what to do?
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10:50:20 <gjanssens> chris: no
10:50:39 <gjanssens> for now it's non-blocking so if you have commits to push, just go ahead
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11:26:36 <chris> my maint-book-reports became buggy somehow; can't reload saved-tabs; will try fix this weekend
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13:30:42 <jralls> Tsk, 1978. Warlord is such a youngster! ;-)
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13:34:53 <gjanssens> LOL
13:36:44 <warlord> LOL
13:37:04 <warlord> I know. I was only 7 then!
13:38:43 <jralls> It's the year I graduated from college.
13:44:14 <warlord> 78?
13:44:17 <warlord> Cool.
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23:18:25 * chris was 1 in 1978
23:18:38 <chris> actually under 1
23:19:20 * chris asks devs -- what's the preferred debugging IDE for diagnosing segfaults? I can just about handle gdb with a bare handful of commands
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