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13:52:04 <otini[m]> hi all, I am having segfaults in Gnucash lately
13:52:25 <otini[m]> I would file a bug, but it looks a bit like an X11 problem, so I'm not sure
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13:54:57 <otini[m]> basically I just need to open any account and press any key in the ledger view for Gnucash to segfault
13:57:47 <otini[m]> when compiling with debug annotations, I get the following backtrace: https://framabin.org/p/?c8e3590210f4a486#XjeNw//J0u9nJ1UpiFyNvCM82gg3U+eaN7u5Y6LNL9Y=
14:06:34 <otini[m]> bug submitted
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14:10:56 <otini[m]> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797239
14:11:55 <otini[m]> (I'm not expecting anyone to work on the bug now, this is just in case somebody has a wild guess about the cause.)
14:15:23 <gjanssens> otini[m]: change your input method to ibus
14:15:34 <gjanssens> xim is known to have issues with gtk based applications
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14:20:31 <otini[m]> oh
14:20:49 <otini[m]> I did change it to xim not so long ago
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17:12:26 <cromo> Hi. I am setting up my Gnucash dev env for the first time. Made some changes that include the .glide file (which I modified by hand BTW). The code builds fine but I don't see the changes reflected in the UI. Looks like the cmake ignores the .glide changes I made. What am I doing wrong?
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17:29:01 <warlord> cromo, I believe the glade files need to be processed.
17:29:37 <cromo> @warlord you mean the Cmake build does not handle it by default?
17:29:37 <gncbot> cromo: Error: "warlord" is not a valid command.
17:30:36 <warlord> cromo, I dont know. I dont believe so, because they are meant to be processed by the dev when the glade file is built.
17:30:48 <warlord> it's been a long long time since I've played in the .glade files.
17:31:06 <warlord> jralls and gjanssens would be better to ask, but they're not here.
17:31:10 <cromo> OK, but the initial build must be doing this since I checked out the code fresh, run cmake and had a running executable
17:32:45 <cromo> I should probably use glide designer to modify the file
17:34:22 <warlord> no, the built files are checked into the repo
17:36:20 <cromo> got it.
17:36:29 <cromo> OK then, I'll use glade for that
17:38:43 <warlord> Looking at the code, I could be wrong. For example, I do see e.g. a dialog-invoice.glade but the only other files dialog-invoice I see are the .h and .c files.
17:38:53 <cromo> BTW. I am adding a workaround for the CVS files I stumbled upon. Specifically, the files in speech have From and To columns with account numbers, which indicate whether transfer is outgoing/incoming. Unfortunately the amount also has a minus sign if the transfer is incoming, so with both columns mapped accordingly, the imported data is incorrect. I
17:38:53 <cromo> want to add an option to take the absolute value of deposit/withdrawal. Just wondering if this would be accepted upstream?
17:39:21 <cromo> *minus sign if the transfer is outgoing
17:41:04 <cromo> exactly, that's why I assumed it would be as simple as pretty much copying/pasting the other checkbox in the UI to add the functionality in speech, but as said – it's not reflected in the UI
17:41:08 <warlord> I dont understand. If it says outgoing and the amount is negative, then it's really incoming?
17:42:21 <cromo> this is for one of my bank accounts. My account number will be either in "From" or "To" column, depending on whether the transfer is incoming or outgoing.
17:43:23 <cromo> Unfortunately, they also use minus sign when the transfer is outgoing, so effectively the outgoing transfer ends up as "Deposit" in gnucash after import.
17:43:40 <cromo> there's a double negation here, of sorts
17:44:10 <warlord> So is there a single amount column? Or the amount is in the From/To column and also + or -?
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17:45:05 <cromo> Desc;Amount;From account;To Account
17:45:36 <cromo> some outgoing transfer;-$1;my account number;payee account number
17:45:49 <cromo> and I map them as:
17:46:54 <cromo> Desc;Deposit;Account;Transfer Account
17:48:11 <cromo> it works as expected for this line, since the amount is positive, so it doesn't negate the transfer order indicated by From account & To Account columns:
17:48:25 <warlord> can you just pre-process the CSV file to ABS() the Amount column?
17:48:30 <cromo> some incoming transfer;$1;payer account number;my account number
17:49:35 <cromo> I surely could, but I figured I could also have the importer offer an option for it. Except I am not sure if this is not too quirky.
17:50:26 <cromo> I haven't done c/c++ programing in a long while so I figured this would be a fun way to get back to it
17:51:35 <warlord> you could email the -devel list and ask for guidance.
17:51:46 <warlord> I need to pop off for a while.
17:51:50 <cromo> same here.
17:51:54 <cromo> thanks for the chat, though
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18:53:38 <orcaaccounting> Hello everyone, it is a pleasure to find this channel. I am doing some book keeping and I would like to know if the taxes can be automatically deducted from the transaction and put into the correct tax account.
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19:56:49 <warlord> orcaaccounting, When using the biz features you can set up a tax table that gets applied to the selected invoice line items. However for general accounting there is no "automatic" tax split and accounting.
19:57:26 <warlord> You can use inline math to compute it, tho. For example, if your amount is 123.45 and you need to split off 4%, you can type, literally, 123.45*.04 and gnucash will compute the result for you.
19:57:33 <warlord> But you need to split this off manually.
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20:25:48 <orcaaccounting> I see, thank you. Is there anywhere to request this feature? It's a deal breaker for me.
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20:29:36 <warlord> orcaaccounting, You're welcome to submit an RFE, but I think it's very unlikely to get implemented. If you implement it, then there is a more likely chance it will make it into a future release. I'll just point out there are RFEs that are from the early 2000s still sitting there untouched.
20:32:28 <warlord> orcaaccounting, but frankly I don't see how or why this would be a deal breaker. If you're entering data manually from a receipt then you either have the tax already listed (at which point it's easy enough to enter it manually as a split).. But even it there were some automated way, you would still need to tell it the proper tax account.
20:32:42 <warlord> Basically, you would need to tie in the TaxTables processing into every-day register entry.
20:32:53 <warlord> But I don't see the use case.
20:37:39 <warlord> orcaaccounting, I will also add that there are plenty of people using GnuCash for VAT accounting. You'd have to ask on the -user list for guidance on that.
20:38:03 <orcaaccounting> bookkeeping is done from the bank and credit card statements. If a client brought me a bag full of receipts I would laugh at them.
20:39:18 <orcaaccounting> I hear what you are saying
20:39:49 <orcaaccounting> but yeah all clients give me statements and book keeping is done from there, total amounts
20:40:05 <orcaaccounting> which have taxes included already
20:43:44 <warlord> How do you know the tax amounts?
20:44:13 <warlord> For example, if I shop at costco and all you see in the credit card statement there is no way to surmise how much is taxable at rate A, rate B, or non-taxed.
20:46:15 <warlord> anyways, I'm off for the night. Good luck, and hope you find a solution that works well for you (gnucash or not)
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21:27:10 <orcaaccounting> Math, 13% of $113 is $13 to debit to HST | $100 office expense credit cash $113
21:27:17 <orcaaccounting> Cheers thanks for the engagement
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23:14:35 <cromo> How are the DMG release images built? Is this part of the regular buildchain in git?
23:14:40 <cromo> *toolchain
23:18:38 <cromo> actually, scratch that.
23:19:25 <cromo> found the wiki page
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23:50:19 <fell> cromo: https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash-on-osx