2019-03-29 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:48:35 <chris> fell_desktop maint of course
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00:52:00 <fell> tell chris What says 'gnucash --version' or is shown in Help->about ?
00:52:18 <fell> @tell chris What says 'gnucash --version' or is shown in Help->about ?
00:52:18 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
00:57:34 <fell> jrall: with aqb 5.7.8.0 installed, ninja, ninja check OK
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01:08:26 <fell> Seems to be the infamous swap freeze day for me, althouh it is not the 13th. ;-)
01:20:21 <fell> jralls, distcheck succeeded, too
01:25:00 <fell> May be, I will build aqb6 in the afternoon...
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01:28:29 <chris> another longstanding bug: gnc:make-account-sel-limited-option doesn't work.
01:28:29 <gncbot> chris: Sent 36 minutes ago: <fell> What says 'gnucash --version' or is shown in Help->about ?
01:29:55 <chris> test case: create 2 A/Payable accounts. run owner-report (Business > Vendor Report). select 2nd AP account in General/Account. Although you can select it, and it's registered by the report, the new value doesn't "stick".
01:30:08 <chris> i.e. rerun report finds the first AP account still selected.
01:31:00 <fell> chris were you echoing Kao?
01:31:32 <chris> no
01:32:18 <chris> any maint on ubuntu, drop-down fails to work. has been past few months at least
01:32:37 <chris> I did't report; is outside my area
01:33:37 <fell> A bad GTK version?
01:33:43 <chris> beats me...
01:33:58 <chris> I'm regularly update my dev
01:34:26 <chris> I'm trying to bugfix above
01:34:52 <fell> Do they have a bug report there?
01:35:17 <chris> I didn't report.
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01:37:05 <fell> But, wait! I watced a regression, too. In Gnucash 2 .x I was able to enter letters, in 3.x I can only scroll - very long for Zimbabwe Dollars.
01:38:46 <chris> ^exactly
01:39:05 <chris> I use up/down/home/end instead
01:41:47 <fell> Report it and ask Bob-IT,. Probably no combo box or so.
01:43:26 <fell> What is the exact dialog?
01:43:38 <chris> any currency eg transaction-report common-currency
01:43:49 <fell> Are others affected, too?
01:44:05 <chris> ofcourse... edit/pref/report/default-currency
01:44:12 <chris> tools/price/add-price
01:44:16 <fell> File properties, ...
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01:59:02 <fell> I believe, it should be a combobox like namespace, security or type.
02:06:52 <fell> and currently it is a GTKbox only.
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02:11:56 <fell> Anyway, bedtime for me. CU!
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06:17:01 <chris> latest commits for maint-book-reports are still work-in-progress. each option-type needs its own (de)serialization functions to be acceptable to guile-json.
06:17:02 <chris> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/christopherlam/1b6eda93d8d3761f28bb940987e3c19b/raw/1b6b58cd88b5ad99161a7bdf2d1081c1a37cccdc/book%2520slots.xml
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07:23:28 <gjanssens> chris: I need some guile tutoring: what does the `(xyz ,bla) construct do ? I don't immediatly find reference to a back-tick command
07:23:44 <gjanssens> And the comma is puzzling me as well
07:23:44 <chris> :)
07:23:53 <chris> it's a fancy way of constructing lists
07:24:05 <chris> consider (list 'xyz 123)
07:24:17 <chris> its shortcut is '(xyz 123)
07:24:32 <chris> now let's try to replace 123 with a variable
07:24:43 <chris> (define X "some string")
07:25:01 <chris> the long-form is (list 'xyz X) ---> (list 'xyz "some string")
07:25:09 <chris> let
07:25:22 <chris> let's try shortcut '(xyz X) ---> oops becomes (list 'xyz 'X)
07:25:35 <chris> instead of ' we can use `
07:25:57 <chris> `(xyz X) is exactly the same as '(xyz X) is exactly the same as (list 'xyz X)
07:26:01 <chris> `(xyz X) is exactly the same as '(xyz X) is exactly the same as (list 'xyz 'X)
07:26:20 <chris> `(xyz ,X) however will omit quoting the comma-X which becomes (list 'xyz "some string")
07:26:31 <chris> that's it
07:26:51 <chris> backtick is called quasi-quote
07:26:54 <gjanssens> Ok, thanks
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08:24:19 <kao> so
08:25:33 <kao> @fell_Desktop ive installed gnucash 3.3, arrow keys work to select something in the dropdown menu, but wont scroll it down so i cant see what i choose :/
08:25:33 <gncbot> kao: Error: "fell_Desktop" is not a valid command.
08:25:44 <kao> #fell_Desktop ive installed gnucash 3.3, arrow keys work to select something in the dropdown menu, but wont scroll it down so i cant see what i choose :/
08:29:33 <kao> Setup:Gnome 18.10, gnucash 3.3. Problem: cant choose a currency because dropdown menu wont let me scroll down
08:29:45 <chris> kao: try ubuntu change Appearance to Adwaita and try again
08:37:23 <kao> worked like an charm, thanks and love
08:37:46 <chris> kao you're welcome, i was suffering from this too for months and discovered the cure by pure luck today
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08:40:28 <kao> have a nice day !
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08:58:06 <chris> saved-reports-2.8 will be banished soon :) only multicolumns remain, save/load into kvp successful
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12:21:44 <jralls> gjanssens: Interesting talk at last fall's Meeting C++: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ndUhdQuU8, "More Modern CMake" by which "More Modern" means more modern than 2017's "Modern CMake". It's a strong argument for using CMake 3.12+ and reorganizing the build system accordingly.
12:25:29 <gjanssens> jralls: I've added it to my watch later list. Looks interesting!
12:26:00 <jralls> Another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY2SluG-Dv0 "The Hitchhikers guide to faster builds"; You can get most of his points quicker from his slides at http://slides.com/onqtam/faster_builds. The links in the slides work and some are really interesting.
12:26:57 <gjanssens> Of course 3.12+ is pretty recent. Not all of our platforms support it I think.
12:29:30 <jralls> Certainly not our 3.x platforms. We haven't yet discussed what we want for 4.x.
12:30:09 <jralls> But yes, 3.12 is pretty new.
12:35:45 <jralls> The current Debian stable has only 3.7.
12:35:58 <chris> saved-reports, json-in-kvp is pretty much done, except embedded reports.
12:39:41 <jralls> chris: Very nice, but what do you mean by "embedded" reports?
12:40:25 <chris> these multicolumn reports from the sample&custom menu. reports-in-report.
12:45:06 <jralls> Oh, that mess. Well, conceptually not hard, but it's possible to insert enough reports that the json would exceed the 4K string limit.
12:46:01 <chris> yups. i'd love to kill it.
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12:47:45 <jralls> I *think* the primary actual use is to jigger a two-period balance sheet. You've got a replacement for that nearly ready don't you?
12:48:41 <chris> sure, but I've seen ppl do a dashboard style, with quadrants for P&L, BS, etc
12:49:25 <chris> I'm fairly confident of making it work with normal scheme calls
12:50:15 <gjanssens> chris: you have just found your next project ;p
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12:50:43 <jralls> Scheme calls that you can paramaterize in json?
12:51:31 <chris> well the method is to add another couple functions to each option-type (sorry gjanssens) to convert to/from a format suitable for guile-json
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12:52:21 <chris> then it's as easy as (scm->json-string (map scm-serialize (gnc:all-options report)))
12:52:34 <jralls> That sounds ugly. Time for GOOPS so that you can share the code?
12:53:09 * chris don't know GOOPS
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12:54:24 <jralls> Or object-oriented programming I bet. More to learn! GOOPS is the Guile Object-Oriented Programming System, see the Guile manual.
12:55:42 <chris> I've pretty much copied the option-scm<->kvp functions and lifted the conversion routines, without the qof-book-set/get-option part. each option-type has to be different. there's only about 20 or so option types.
12:56:45 <chris> btw aycinena not replying... i'd like to push a flagrant de-uglifier on one of his guile commits
12:58:36 <jralls> In the TXF stuff or somewhere else?
12:59:12 <chris> gnc:make-currency-accounting-option
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13:10:17 <jralls> Hrmm. Book-currency. I really would prefer that he move that stuff into a feature branch. He's kind of passive-aggressive about it. He probably won't respond.
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13:13:45 <jralls> Oh, you probably missed that. "Hrmm. Book-currency. I really would prefer that he move that stuff into a feature branch. He's kind of passive-aggressive about it. He probably won't respond."
13:14:27 <jralls> gjanssens, any thoughts on what to do about Alex's long-running book-currency experiment?
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13:21:48 <gjanssens> jralls: considering it's indeed taking so long, I agree a feature branch is a good idea
13:22:03 <gjanssens> Perhaps we should gently prod him in that direction ?
13:22:47 <jralls> I've tried gentle prodding, perhaps a little more vigorous prodding is required.
13:23:13 <gjanssens> :)
13:23:38 <gjanssens> I think you have some right of authority as primary maintainer
13:25:46 <jralls> I see that as a shared authority/responsibility with you. But it's a volunteer effort, we can't very well give orders. We can say "either you do it or we will", but that's a bit more than prodding.
13:28:25 <gjanssens> True. And being that direct often builds negative karma (even less willingness to cooperate from the other party)
13:29:18 <gjanssens> How deeply intermingled are these parts that are already committed ?
13:30:52 <jralls> Depends. The function that chris dislikes is stand-alone and so far unused. I think other parts may be somewhat integrated.
13:31:26 <chris> there's lots of bits all over the place
13:33:56 <jralls> Definitely all over the place. Have a look at `git log --stat --oneline --grep Book-Currency`. It's about 70 lines of output.
13:34:55 <gjanssens> Yeah all over the place...
13:36:09 <chris> this type of code annoys... https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/commit/faf1b08cecf
13:36:11 <jralls> It's unlikely to revert cleanly, many of the touched files are heavily maintained.
13:37:19 <gjanssens> Yeah, that makes it pretty tricky.
13:38:28 <gjanssens> chris: as you aren't getting responses, I propose you at least go ahead with any code de-uglifications you see fit
13:38:46 <chris> cool
13:38:51 <gjanssens> It's up to alex to keep up with the live code base, not the other way around
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13:41:56 <gjanssens> Towards alex, I propose to ask once more what his plans are and if there's a reasonable time frame.
13:42:24 <gjanssens> It may be worth indicating the half-finished code is increasing the maintenance burden for the other developers
13:43:10 * gjanssens is a bit sensitive wrt putting time based pressure as he's got hardly any time available himself :(
13:43:51 <jralls> OK. A concrete example or two might help drive that point home. Yes, time is a problem; on the other hand having to refactor dormant code is a claim on our time.
13:44:26 <gjanssens> Indeed that's what I mean
13:44:51 <gjanssens> I don't have concrete examples as I haven't recently encountered such issues
13:45:43 <jralls> Makes it hard to claim that it's getting in the way, then.
13:47:17 <chris> well for instance I've augmented gnc:make-radiobutton/customer/employee/vendor-option and all of these are unused
13:47:41 <chris> no live code to test, so, i had to augment hello-world.scm to test my changes
13:49:18 <jralls> gnc:make-radiobutton isn't Alex's, it's warlord's from 17 years ago.
13:52:35 <jralls> OTOH figuring out gnc:make-currency-accounting-option to adapt it to a global options change would be a lot of work. 200+ lines of scheme is hard to make a mental model of.
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13:55:14 <chris> 200+ could be trimmed to 100 by chris ;)
13:55:20 <jralls> chris: More immediately, test-budget is failing on Debian 9: Throw to key `encoding-error' with args `("scm_to_stringn" "cannot convert wide string to output locale" 84 #f #f)'.
13:55:45 <jralls> chris: where would a wide string be coming from?
13:56:43 <chris> I seriously can't tell
13:57:14 <chris> ah
13:57:55 <chris> budget.scm:Line 465 has a unicode emdash instead of &emdash; from the effort to avoid html entities in strings
13:59:08 <chris> I'm surprised only budget.scm fails; there are other unicode around
14:00:32 <chris> we can revert to &ndash; or plain minus
14:02:24 <jralls> Unicode's OK, but it's a UTF16 emdash. Everything must be UTF8.
14:03:43 <jralls> Or maybe not... checking e28093...
14:05:05 <jralls> Hmm, it is UTF8, Guile's effed-up transcoding strikes again.
14:05:30 <chris> debian 9 has guile >= 2?
14:06:15 <jralls> 2.0.13.
14:06:38 <chris> weirdness. I vote change to (_ " to ") ;-)
14:07:10 <chris> (_ "~a to ~a")
14:07:11 <jralls> ?
14:08:01 <chris> change to (format #f (_ "~a to ~a") start end) which is i10n and avoids unicode
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14:09:47 <jralls> What line? The place you cited is (string-append (period-to-date-string (car (car column-list)) " - " (period-to-date-string (last (car column-list)))
14:10:44 <chris> https://gist.github.com/christopherlam/f98a2ff9dabc4fdfc59ce91c99830e3e
14:13:00 <jralls> got it. Looks good and "~a to ~a" is already translated.
14:13:52 <chris> done
14:18:09 <jralls> gjanssens: Should I merge #460?
14:21:57 <gjanssens> jralls: Bob has push rights, so I was hoping he'd do it himself
14:22:28 <jralls> OK, I imagine you'll need to clear the "requested changes" bit.
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14:24:19 <chris> ok when i complete book-reports i'll expose the appropriate functions for gjanssens to access for book.gcm reports :)
14:24:32 <gjanssens> Oh and there's one more change I would like to see on that PR: use the user's documentation directory instead of the userdata dir
14:24:49 <chris> otherwise i'm now off
14:24:56 <jralls> chris: And distcheck passes, \o/.
14:25:06 <chris> \o/ indeed
14:26:10 <jralls> gjanssens: He did that in his latest push.
14:26:31 <gjanssens> Huh, I missed that
14:26:35 <jralls> https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/460/commits/b4dc62d0ee79679050f916ae533e99d36cbfc9aa#diff-3278449d4a4fb9b6bfe0b8ee2923f343R1030
14:27:57 <jralls> A somewhat weird justaposition of GLib and boost::filesystem, but it's what you asked for. ;)
14:28:30 <jralls> s/justaposition/juxtaposition/
14:28:39 <gjanssens> Yeah, I know. I didn't find a similar universal function in boost :(
14:30:27 <jralls> There's a lot of that. Completely replacing GLib is going to be hard.
14:31:26 <gjanssens> Agreed
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15:07:13 <jralls> chris: Is https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639049 fixed?
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17:15:27 <fell> jralls, I just see the docs were not rebuilt this week.
17:16:10 <fell> I had several commits in C/Help/GuiMenus
17:16:38 <jralls> fell: If you mean the nightlies warlord needs to know. He's the only one who can see the logs. I haven't yet gotten to the docs, I've been working on NEWS.
17:17:29 <fell> @tell warlord the docs were not rebuilt this week. I had several commits in C/Help/GuiMenus
17:17:29 <gncbot> fell: The operation succeeded.
17:20:11 <fell> jralls: tell me before you start with the docs.
17:21:39 <jralls> fell: Just pulled and tried to build. build went fine, distcheck failed because "No rule to make target 'fonts/ume-tgo4.ttf', needed by 'distdir'." ume-tg04.ttf is in fonts/truetype.
17:25:00 <fell> Ah, before we had fonts/gothic.xml or vice versa
17:26:13 <jralls> gothic and mincho are still in fonts. IIRC it mirrors the way they're installed in distros.
17:26:43 <jralls> Anyway an easy fix that I've pushed. The nightlies should go tonight.
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17:27:31 <jralls> @tell warlord I think I've fixed the problem with the nightlies. cb78d7d.
17:27:31 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
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19:59:58 <jralls> @telll gjanssens fell: The docs PDF build fails for the C version of the guide, multiple instances of FOP - Exception <org.apache.fop.apps.FOPException: org.apache.fop.fo.ValidationException: The column-number or number of cells in the row overflows the number of fo:table-columns specified for the table. (See position 3740:1377)
19:59:58 <gncbot> jralls: Error: "telll" is not a valid command.
20:00:16 <jralls> @tell gjanssens fell: The docs PDF build fails for the C version of the guide, multiple instances of FOP - Exception <org.apache.fop.apps.FOPException: org.apache.fop.fo.ValidationException: The column-number or number of cells in the row overflows the number of fo:table-columns specified for the table. (See position 3740:1377)
20:00:16 <gncbot> jralls: The operation succeeded.
20:03:23 <fell> I will look
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20:11:07 <fell> capgain_appmain is a png
20:19:17 <fell> There are also many 'Image not found.'
20:21:01 <fell> and some Unable to load font file: file:/usr/share/fonts/truetype/...
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20:27:56 <fell> ... with different reasons
20:31:20 <fell> Many: The contents of fo:block line X exceed the available area in the inline-progression direction by Y millipoints.
20:36:55 <fell> OK, 1 finding: Guide is referencing images, which are in help/C/figures
20:37:27 <fell> Could be from Sunfishs PR or older
20:48:28 <fell> gnucash-guide.fo#3740 has only 74 columns, not 1626 here
20:48:45 <fell> or 1377
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21:26:40 <chris> jralls I think so but I'll recheck
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21:57:09 <fell> Table 10.1 Sample chart of account; col 3: Date is this time the pointer
22:01:12 <fell> in 10.3.8. Using the Transaction Report
22:01:57 <fell> should be in Chapter 10. Reports
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22:14:55 <fell> jralls: commit e9ef3f8
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