2019-03-18 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:35:21 <chris> .
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09:37:21 <warlord> .
09:41:20 <chris> I did big mistake... overwrote my main partition
09:41:39 <chris> recreating all, some local branches lost
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09:44:28 <warlord> OH NO!!!
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13:31:06 <jralls> gjanssens: Welcome back! Was your rest & relaxation successful?
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13:47:03 <gjanssens> jralls: thanks. I have greatly enjoyed the two weeks of nearly disconnection.
13:47:03 <gncbot> gjanssens: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, and 39 minutes ago: <chris> and pinging fell jralls warlord - I'm thinking my multicolumn balsheet-pnl should really be merged; labelled 'warning- verify amounts and report bugs' and inviting bug reports. would you guys have any objections?
13:47:52 <gjanssens> I'm slowly working through the mail backlog now.
13:48:52 <warlord> gjanssens, welcome back!
13:49:07 <gjanssens> Hi warlord and thanks
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14:03:35 <gjanssens> jralls: I just found your message on Gtk's Discourse "Say Hello" thread :)
14:03:52 <gjanssens> What do you think of the discourse platform ?
14:05:49 <jralls> I haven't decided yet. I haven't used it much. I noticed that it automagically closes discussions after 5 days of inactivity and I think that's a bit too soon, but it's probably configurable.
14:05:50 <gjanssens> Considering mailman3/hyperkitty seems to be vaporware for the time being, I'm interested in alternatives for our aging mailman2 infrastructure.
14:06:54 <gjanssens> Yeah I'll experiment with Gtk's instance a bit as well to get a feel of it.
14:07:46 <jralls> It's intended to be Gnome-wide, I think, they're just starting out with Gtk.
14:08:09 <jralls> Anyway, it will be interesting to see how it goes.
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14:09:09 <jralls> One consideration, for us anyway, is moderation. I'm a little frustrated with BZ that there's no way to filter Wm when he goes off.
14:10:41 <warlord> has he been going off in BZ? Is there no way to moderate the account?
14:11:13 <gjanssens> Right.
14:12:48 <jralls> warlord: Yup and nope, though he's mostly been pretty good since going on moderation on the mailing list.
14:13:17 <warlord> We dont see all the messages that Liz has rejected.
14:14:00 <jralls> I meant on BZ.
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19:29:17 <chris> welcome back gjanssens
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19:38:29 <intangir> i just spent the last 6 hours installing gnucash on my linux system..
19:38:43 <intangir> why the hell there isn't any prebuilt binaries for linux, but there is for windows is beyong me..
19:38:56 <intangir> tons of other linux apps provider prebuilt binaries on linux now
19:39:05 <intangir> i haven't had to build an app from source since like 2011
19:39:24 <intangir> and i finally get it built and running, and its buggy as all hell..
19:39:34 <intangir> all of the dialogs hang, don't close, half don't even have options on them
19:39:36 <intangir> nothing works
19:39:39 <intangir> it spams error boxes at me
19:39:46 <intangir> its absolute crap...
19:40:02 <intangir> i found this app rated 3-5 on several free accounting software lists..
19:40:10 <intangir> how...
19:40:46 <intangir> just blows my mind that it is so unusable, so difficult to get started with, so buggy.. i had to wade through docs for hours today to find out THE most common use case for a linux user..
19:40:54 <intangir> and it doesn't even work
19:41:15 <intangir> why would anyone pour time and effort into a project which is so difficult to use, and how can it be so broken..
19:41:27 <intangir> it blows my mind
19:41:49 <intangir> this one project pretty much illustrated every 'linux is terrible because xxx' stereotype that ive ever seen uttered against linux projects for the last 30 years
19:42:32 <intangir> fortunately its one of the few that has, but how can a project this supposedly popular be this terrible today... blows my mind
19:43:08 <intangir> my entire day was wasted, my experience with this app is the worst ive ever had with any app in the history of my computing since 1989
19:43:23 <intangir> and i just wanted someone do know, and didn't know where else to complain...
19:43:58 <intangir> this is the new worst 'mature' app experience ive ever had with an app since nutscrape in the 90s
19:46:10 <jralls> intangir: Most distros include GnuCash, though generally not the latest version.
19:46:32 <intangir> ya mine provides a very old version, all of them seemed to
19:46:46 <intangir> and 3.4 supposedly had improved online banking functions
19:47:00 <intangir> so i wanted to try that, but that dialog is also one of the ones that hangs and locks up the whole program
19:47:08 <intangir> the setup for it
19:47:35 <intangir> which opened at about 50x50 pixels.. so after clicking and dragging the window, and each of the columns larger, and opening add account, it locks up
19:47:50 <intangir> locks up the dialog, locks up the whole thing..
19:47:53 <jralls> Actually the online banking stuff is from a separate library, aqbanking, which is a separate package on Linux.
19:47:54 <intangir> thats like the 4th dialog that did
19:47:56 <intangir> including preferences
19:48:43 <intangir> i wanted to use this because i don't trust all of these online banking websites
19:49:04 <intangir> and i wanted to be able to share access with my wife (not simultaneously, but conveniently, without sending files back and forth)
19:49:17 <intangir> it seemed like this was the way to go
19:49:27 <intangir> but shes on windows and im on linux, i can't even find the same version to install for both of us
19:49:32 <intangir> except the latest..
19:49:41 <intangir> my distro has an old 2.6 install
19:49:45 <intangir> not even the latest
19:51:02 <intangir> most apps i ever try have a repo/ppa thing to just add and get fresh packages, or at least a deb i can download, or sometimes a tared binary
19:51:06 <jralls> As long as you don't use new features 2.6 and 3 are file-compatible, but you can get older Windows installers from Github or Sourceforge.
19:53:15 <intangir> im going to try 2.6 from my distro then and pray...
19:54:08 <intangir> id use something else after all this agony but i can't find anything else that runs off your own files/database, is open source, cross platform, and has double entry
19:59:09 <intangir> 2.6.1 is my distro version.. thats quite a few behind..
20:00:05 <jralls> Don't use that, it was very buggy. Are you on Ubuntu 14.04LTS?
20:00:17 <intangir> linux mint, its an old one
20:00:25 <intangir> trusty
20:02:46 <intangir> probably based off ubuntu 14
20:03:03 <intangir> how sound is 2.6.19?
20:03:26 <jralls> 2.6.19 is solid.
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20:27:11 <intangir> what about 2.6.9
20:27:17 <intangir> i managed to install that from some backported debs
20:27:44 <intangir> nevermind its crashing on first run..
20:31:22 <intangir> trying to build 2.6.21 from source, it complains thati don't have webkit 1.0 >= 1.2, but the docs say it requires 1.0, which i have
20:37:04 <intangir> its just another neverending chain of dependencies..
20:37:16 <intangir> installed like 20 new libraries to build it..
20:37:18 <intangir> still not enough
20:37:42 <intangir> tried to install 20 new libraries to build webkit alone..
20:37:48 <intangir> still not enough to even install that..
20:38:14 <jralls> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building_On_Linux
20:39:02 <intangir> that helped guide me through install 3.4
20:39:02 <jralls> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Installing_Dependencies
20:39:05 <intangir> but 3.4 doesn't work
20:39:08 <intangir> its broken as hell
20:39:11 <intangir> nothing works
20:39:24 <intangir> but those instructions arent even the same for 2.6
20:41:25 <intangir> i mean not NOTHING works
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20:41:28 <intangir> but most of the dialogs don't work
20:41:57 <intangir> i was able to OPEN an old book i wrote from 2011.. thats it, it spammed like 40 errors at me though
20:42:02 <intangir> i could see it had my totals
20:42:38 <jralls> What kind of errors?
20:45:58 <intangir> something about it being read only
20:46:52 <jralls> Is it?
20:47:29 <intangir> it shouldn't be
20:47:31 <jralls> Check the directory, too, GC needs to write a lock file there.
20:47:31 <intangir> i have access
20:47:46 <intangir> even if it were read only why should it spam it forever
20:48:47 <jralls> It should be writing the errors to /tmp/gnucash.trace. /tmp should be 777, is it?
20:51:25 <intangir> ya
20:51:40 <intangir> that file is empty
20:51:49 <intangir> but maybe its cause i ran like 3 versions since the errors earlier
20:52:07 <intangir> 2.6.21 seems to finally be successfully building..
20:52:09 <intangir> cross fingers
20:52:35 <intangir> hopefully my local build of it runs better than 3.4's did..
20:53:22 <intangir> thanks for trying to help btw
20:54:18 <intangir> ive been looking up all sorts of errors all day and find lots of people asking the same questions, and very few helpful answers
20:54:38 <jralls> You're welcome. You might subscripe to the user list, there may be someone there who knows more about Mint than I do.
20:54:41 <intangir> clearly lots of people have similar difficulties on this program
20:55:24 <intangir> do you know why a binary isn't available for linux, lots of apps do that now
20:55:55 <intangir> its not always as well setup on your pc but i can at least get up and running quick with things that arent in distros usually, when they have that binary package available
20:57:03 <jralls> Historically because it's been too hard and the major distros have generally kept up pretty well. We've begun experimenting with a flatpak for nightly builds, but there are some sandboxing issues.
20:57:28 <intangir> i don't know exactly how that is supposed to be done right
20:57:38 <intangir> but electrum for example, i just got that recently
20:58:03 <intangir> wasn't available in any distros and i think there was maybe a source package, but i just ran the binary version, runs fine, was up and running in like 5 minutes
20:58:06 <intangir> electrum-ltc
20:58:14 <intangir> also dragondisk, did it with that before
20:58:56 <intangir> handful of different things that didn't want to bother with source, or out of date distros, or digging for a ppa
20:59:30 <intangir> not sure what the overarching pros and cons are, but for me, ease of getting into it, worth it
20:59:53 <intangir> i even tried running the windows prebuilt version on wine
20:59:54 <intangir> but it crash
21:00:03 <intangir> lol
21:00:14 <intangir> i could tell while installing it too that it was referencing a ton of gnu libs
21:03:04 <intangir> holy shit 2.6.21 is running
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21:03:07 <intangir> so far no errors
21:03:15 <intangir> opened by db book right up no errors
21:03:16 <jralls> The dependencies we need are pretty heavy: Gtk, Guile, WebKitGtk, AQBanking, libofx. Version 3 adds a couple of Boost libs. WebKit in particular has a ton of its own dependencies. Different distros naturally all have different versions of everything. That's why there are package managers.
21:03:26 <jralls> \o/
21:03:45 <intangir> well this is promising
21:03:59 <intangir> im gonna start cathching my shit up..
21:04:05 <intangir> thanks for your assitance
21:04:13 <intangir> and hearing out my venting
21:04:32 <intangir> like almost8 hours later though, someone still ought to figure out how to make this easier for new users on linux
21:05:27 <intangir> still thanks for the help
21:05:33 <jralls> You're welcome.
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