2019-02-21 GnuCash IRC logs

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03:46:28 <gjanssens> .
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06:36:25 <chris> https://github.com/commerceguys/tax O_o
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07:10:36 <gjanssens> chris: nice concept, unfortunately it's php
07:12:54 <chris> yeah was just looking at existing solutions
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07:37:14 <warlord> .
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07:45:54 <rdeff23> Hello. Is there a way to make the toolbar buttons smaller on windows so they fit the screen? Also is there a report that shows data, such as item description, from bills/invoice beyond just which client was involved in the transaction? Thanks.
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07:53:16 <warlord> rdeff23, Not sure about the toolbar buttons. As for the report question -- I'm not sure I fully understand your question. What do you mean by "beyond just which client was involved in the transaction?" Are you trying to print an actual invoice?
07:56:31 <rdeff23> warlord: no, I want a report where you select for example the expense account "Groceries" and shows you "20 USD to MyMarket for 20 bars of chocolate 1 USD a piece", "10 USD to SuperMarket for 1 unit of Toilet Paper".
07:57:44 <rdeff23> Show the lines inside the bills and invoices, not just the general "who was paid" and "amount"
07:58:59 <chris> rdeff23: not available unless you are prepared to learn scheme...
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08:01:09 <warlord> ... and prepared to actually enter invoices for each of those purchases..
08:01:36 <warlord> I find it unlikely you are actually supplying that level of detail to gnucash in the first place!
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08:03:33 <rdeff23> warlord: Well, I gave home accounting examples, but it's actually for a business that does use invoices
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08:04:53 <rdeff23> The data is there inside the invoice, I just want some way to be able to answer "why did we expend 3440$ in office supplies???" Assuming all costs have bills saying what exactly was bought
08:05:19 <warlord> rdeff23, the invoice data is "separate" from the CoA data. there are a few cross-links to allow you to get to the Invoice from the transaction (and vice-versa), but you would need to write some scheme or other code to either display or open the invoice.
08:05:40 <rdeff23> chris: I guess I may be able to deal with that, I just wondered if nobody already made a custom report for that maybe? Doesn't seem like a obscure problem.
08:06:05 <warlord> There currently is no "open invoice" from the register. The reason is historical -- the business features were designed to be a plugin module, so there was no knowledge of invoices in the main CoA register code.
08:06:44 <chris> rdeff23: not an obscure problem at all, just not something that anyone has been extremely motivated to write a custom report for it. you're welcome to jump in!
08:06:55 <warlord> Actually, a Right-Click -> Open Invoice from the CoA might be one of the easiest ways to do it. Or possibly an open invoice link from within a report.
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08:27:03 <rdeff23> warlord: Sorry, you mean there is a link there or that one could be added using scheme?
08:28:40 <warlord> There is an internal link in the data objects. One could add an "invoice:XXX" link in the HTML in reports (but this does not currently exist)
08:29:12 <warlord> Note that this would only work for something like a transaction report where you are displaying individual transactions, not for a round-up report like a P&L/Income Statement.
08:32:58 <rdeff23> Ok, got it, thank you both
08:33:38 <warlord> I still think a Right-Click option to open the invoice from a register would be a Good Thing(TM) to implement. And that would be in C, not scheme.
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08:34:59 <chris> warlord I'm glad you think so :) https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787295
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08:38:19 <warlord> Hahaha... That's been open for a while. :)
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11:41:56 <pablo667> Hello everyone, first time here. For exporting a report to CSV, it seems to me that it's possible only in GnuCash for Windows (File --> Export --> Report export and then writing a file name with .CSV extension) but not in Linux (only a html file is produced). Am I wrong? I am using GnuCash 3.x on both platforms.
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11:56:17 <jralls> pablo667: Report output is html so that's what the report exporter writes out. The only way to get to CSV from a report is to paste the contents into a spreadsheet and then export the spreadsheet to CSV.
12:00:02 <pablo667> Ok thanks
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12:12:34 <fell> rdeff23: don't "cumulate splits" while posting invoices might give yoou more details in the reports.
12:16:38 <rdeff23> fell: how do I do that?
12:18:47 <rdeff23> ah, I see
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12:31:32 <rdeff23> Is there a disavantage to disabling this setting?
12:40:08 <fell> The size of your file will increase faster.
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12:43:19 <rdeff23> How big are we talking here? I'm just starting and was curious how big a file with a few thousands invoices/bills/transacions gets
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13:09:37 <warlord> rdeff23, it all depends on how many invoices you create and how big those invoices are. What it means is that you'll get a 1:1 mapping of Invoice Line-item <-> Transaction Split, instead of summing all line-items from a single account into a single split.
13:11:01 <rdeff23> warlord: Yes, I think I understand now what it does, I just don't get why I wouldn't want that extra info on my reports
13:12:37 <rdeff23> By the way, is gnucash supposed to support non ascii? I wrote some accented characters in company name and it shows broken chars
13:13:20 <warlord> It supports it in MOST places, but there may be some places where it is still a bit flakey.
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13:22:00 <warlord> fell, doesn't look like a network outage. Not sure why gncbot is flapping.
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13:23:21 <warlord> Ah, I AM seeing some packet loss on code's network.. about 10% right now. That might be the issue?
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13:37:10 <fell> gjanssens: nice cleanup!
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13:51:25 <gjanssens> fell: my pleasure :)
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15:14:41 <warlord> Anyone (else) going to be near Frankfurt or Nuremburg next week?
15:16:50 <frakturfreak> Which Frankfurt, the one with an European university or the one with the airport?
15:26:16 <frakturfreak> Also on another note, is wm always behaving like this? It’s very hard to remain polite given his answers. I might consider to stop answering his mails because he clearly is trolling and not understanding how things are done in the real world.
15:27:27 <fell> Has Frankfurt/Oder an airport?
15:28:20 <fell> I know only the checkpoit o Slubiće
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15:29:17 <frakturfreak> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flugplatz_Eisenh%C3%BCttenstadt
15:29:33 <frakturfreak> Also it’s Frankfurt (Oder) to remain orthographically correct.
15:29:38 <warlord> frakturfreak, Frankfurt am Main
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15:30:21 <warlord> (I do mean the one with the FRA airport)
15:30:37 <warlord> And yes, wm always behaves like that.
15:30:37 <frakturfreak> Ok. I’m just teasing a bit because I’m nearer to the one at the Polish border.
15:30:52 <warlord> frakturfreak, I am aware there are two Frankfurts
15:31:26 <frakturfreak> warlord: Thank you for your answers.
15:32:02 <warlord> my pleasure
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16:08:34 <jralls> frakturfreak: Sometimes Wm is worse. I've already stopped responding to him.
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16:20:07 <frakturfreak> Yeah i think this would be the better solution. Also I don’t know what politics and acussing a whole nation of being stupid have to do with basic accounting questions. I do hope though that my real world examples were understandable enough. The values might have been low, but it’s about the general principle.
16:23:10 <warlord> I try to engage Wm as little as possible, but try to not let him goad me. Life is too short to get upset over idiots and trolls. ;)
16:24:06 <jralls> His grasp of how GnuCash works seems pretty thin too, but claims to understand it better than the developers. I've decided it's too tiresome to sort through all of the noise to find the occasional useful point. I don't even read his mails any more, makes it easier not to be goaded.
16:25:19 <warlord> I tend not to read past the first paragraph or two
16:35:38 <jralls> Unfortunately he recently infected bugzilla. Today he spouted on a new bug.
16:38:40 <warlord> Uh oh!
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16:45:45 <frakturfreak> I’ve just seen that I didn’t sent my final answer to this list.
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16:52:02 <frakturfreak> He also doesn’t understand double entry accounting it seems.
16:52:30 <frakturfreak> So why bother.
16:52:35 <frakturfreak> Good night.
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21:13:50 <Guest38> Hi. It's been a long time since I've read my accounting book. How do I record all the ancillary fees when I'm selling an item?
21:16:00 <Guest38> When I used to do this by hand I would increase the cash account, increase the expense accounts, and increase equity all in the same transaction, I think. Is that how I would record it in GnuCash?
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22:45:57 <fell> Guest38: That is the purpose of multiple splits. ;-)
22:51:39 <Guest38> That makes sense. I think I still just need to get used to GnuCash
23:07:05 <Guest38> What does the R mean?
23:08:35 <fell> reconciled
23:10:29 <fell> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/cbook-reconacct1.html
23:11:56 <Guest38> Ah, thank you
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23:32:14 <chris> Guest38: I don't think you should increase equity account while selling item. You increase the asset account, either Cash or Bank
23:37:39 <Guest38> chris, this is what my transaction looks like: https://i.imgur.com/Ht8WxNp.png
23:37:52 <Guest38> I guess Sales is an "income" account in GnuCash
23:39:44 <chris> There should not be an Orphan-USD split
23:44:50 <Guest38> Yeah, I'm messing around with it. It got assigned to the Asset:Cash account
23:48:37 <chris> I don't know how to do cost accounting in GnuCash; otherwise it looks fine so far
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