2018-10-30 GnuCash IRC logs

00:21:31 <chris> my Multicolumn balsheet/inc-exp is vulnerable to slowdowns because it relies heavily on xaccAccountGetBalanceAsOfDate... so, it will be another candidate for my new gnc-account-get-balances-as-of-dates function...
00:46:22 <chris> in win32 nightly: windows max/min/restore widgets, menus, looking like gtk is unsettling. (not complaining myself). is this intentional? I know Alt-Space doesn't work anymore on Windows which will lead to complaints.
00:52:24 <chris> ^ (small correction) win32 menus/widgets were already gtk in v3.3... it's max/min/restore that are different and alt-space is now disabled in latest nightly
00:58:53 <chris> ^ I'm using the win32 builds from bug 796883 which may not be in maint
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04:04:19 <gjanssens> .
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06:20:29 <finster> hello all. when using the sqlite backend for a book, there aren'd made any intermediate copies of the book as backup like in the xml backend?
06:21:41 <Mechtilde> you should do it with sqlite tools
06:24:24 <finster> alright, understood. does this insinuate some concerns about the trustability of the xml backend? or is it just because of "has grown historically"?
06:27:03 <finster> i'm using the xml backend for almost 3 years now, without any problems. just genuinely curious
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06:44:12 <zipola> Earlier version: 1:2.6.19-1, Current version: 1:3.3-2. Situation: Entering new entries in the account view, press Enter to get a new line. Editing with keyboard when typing new entries is super limited now. Earlier it did auto-fill but I could then edit the text and select parts with shift-arrows. Now I can only copy the exact same text or delete it with backspace or delete. I can do stuff with mouse but
06:44:18 <zipola> slows down the process. Is there a possibility to enable the earlier behavior? Time for a bug report?
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07:31:14 <gjanssens> finster: sqlite is a bit of an oddball wrt to backups
07:31:24 <gjanssens> It's a db, but it's also just a file
07:32:11 <gjanssens> I think the primary reasoning behind backups is this: for db's provide backups via the db system
07:32:47 <gjanssens> xml predates the database backends
07:33:50 <gjanssens> I *think* the backups were partly set up back then to compensate the lack of undo functionality or to help safeguard against human error
07:34:41 <gjanssens> For fully fledged database systems this can be configured in the database system itself (via transaction logging and rollbacks).
07:35:13 <gjanssens> A bit outside of the gnucash support scope of course
07:36:20 <gjanssens> It would even be difficult for gnucash to create backup databases in such systems as can't assume db creation rights
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07:36:54 <gjanssens> The other practical issue is this: for the xml backend a backup is created each time you save (manually or via autosave)
07:37:12 <gjanssens> However for the databases there is no save anymore. Each change you make is committed instantly.
07:37:26 <gjanssens> So when should we create backups (if we even could) ?
07:38:53 <gjanssens> If it would be on each change that would result in a horribly lot of backups
07:38:54 <finster> gjanssens: yes, with a fully fledged RDBMS you typically have backup procedures in place, possibly set up by your DBA or SysOP. I can understand that sqlite sits somewhere inbetween in that regard.
07:40:02 <gjanssens> So that's the current situation :)
07:40:13 <gjanssens> Summary: it grew historically so
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07:40:53 <gjanssens> zipola: this is a known bug in the 3.x series. We're working on it.
07:40:55 <finster> Thanks very much for taking the time :)
07:41:33 <gjanssens> jralls committed a partial fix yesterday. If you're on Windows, you may download today's nightly build for a bit of improvement
07:41:37 <gjanssens> finster: you're welcome
07:41:51 <zipola> gjanssens: Thanks! This response is enough to bring some hope to the future.
07:42:27 <finster> For the record: I'm grateful that sth like Gnucash exists. It made me have so much more control over my finances. And I can run it on my own, without any cloud-based tools. And it's open source of course (long time emacs user)
07:42:50 <gjanssens> finster: tx
07:42:51 <zipola> finster: True words.
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12:36:36 <jralls> chris: The bugfix builds are built on my Win7 VM. In theory it's the same MSYS2 environment as the nightlies, but one never knows. I pushed the changes yesterday so you might try today's nightly to see if it makes a difference.
12:40:40 <jralls> zipola: As long as you're using a European language today's nightly should work for you. If you're using Windows and an input method for an Asian language then there are problems.
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13:28:46 <zipola> Ubuntu 18.10. Thanks, I'll see if I can build it. Or is there a better way to install?
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19:40:25 <chris> jralls: all nightly builds including 30-oct ones have win32 buttons. odd that the bugfix builds have gtk buttons. so, false alarm.
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