2018-10-22 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:18:11 <fell> dunbrokin: Where did you enter the key? There a different places 1. gnc-fq-* 2. gnucash. Addidional the latter varies by version
04:38:44 <dunbrokin> I am using version 3.3 and it comes under Preferences/Online Quotes
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09:06:08 <jvapr27> hi
09:08:07 <jvapr27> Is there a place to download new reports? Developing reports in Scheme is not easy. Not intuitive. Is there a place where people that do know how to code that language and upload reports for the rest of us?
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09:09:44 <jvapr27> We need reports like KMM (KMyMoney)'s Income and Expense report by Year.
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09:20:14 <warlord> jvapr27: generally people talk about on gnucash-user or gnucash-devel, but *most* reports get donated and made part of the next release.
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09:21:02 <warlord> jvapr27: why can you run multiple Income Statement (P&L) reports for each year in question and then merge them in a master document (e.g. Word)
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10:12:02 <jvapr27> Warlord: how can we make a request for a report
10:12:17 <jvapr27> For example, the KMM report that they have, how can we request something like that?
10:12:25 <jvapr27> Is there such a thing as a request system?
10:12:47 <warlord> jvapr27: you can email to gnucash-user
10:13:12 <warlord> but rememeber it's a volunteer organization.
10:18:59 <fell> or talk with chris, when he comes back.
10:20:02 <fell> But you should prepare a description, where it differs from our current reports.
10:21:12 <warlord> yeah, I am not familiar with the KMM I&E report and how it differs from our existing reports.
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10:22:48 <fell> When I switched to linux decades ago, I tested both and have choosen GnuCash. ;-) So I do not remember.
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10:37:04 <warlord> @tell gjanssens I just made 'bugs-admin' into a real address (that goes to /dev/null) so you should receive bug mail now..
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11:36:15 <jvapr27> hi..
11:38:19 <jvapr27> yes I can send a screen shot of the report of KMM. When I want to compare bills across months, or years, KMM has a great report for income/expenses. It shows the accounts on the left, and a column per year/month. Gnucash does the opposite. It puts the dates on the left, and the accounts as columns. This limites the number of accounts before the report becomes unusable.
11:38:52 <jvapr27> Also, KMM has a good importer for going from GnuCash to KMM... but GnuCash does not have a good importer to go from KMM >> GnuCash.
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12:02:33 <warlord> jvapr27: the last part is not at all surprising; GnuCash is (IMNSHO) a much more popular app, so KMM implementing an importer is no surprise. It's also not a surprise that there's no importer FROM KMM into GnuCash, because frankly it's not requested by anyone.
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12:15:59 <chris> jvapr27: my suggestion is to run a report in your KMM with fake (but realistic) data, put it up as as a bug request for enhancement, or gnucash-devel mailing list. Also include the KMM report options for selecting accounts/dates etc. Then we can try help you. Generally we don't really care how the competition is doing, because frankly they are far behind.
12:16:15 <chris> @tell jvapr27: my suggestion is to run a report in your KMM with fake (but realistic) data, put it up as as a bug request for enhancement, or gnucash-devel mailing list. Also include the KMM report options for selecting accounts/dates etc. Then we can try help you. Generally we don't really care how the competition is doing, because frankly they are far behind
12:16:15 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
12:16:21 <chris> @tell jvapr27 my suggestion is to run a report in your KMM with fake (but realistic) data, put it up as as a bug request for enhancement, or gnucash-devel mailing list. Also include the KMM report options for selecting accounts/dates etc. Then we can try help you. Generally we don't really care how the competition is doing, because frankly they are far behind
12:16:21 <gncbot> chris: The operation succeeded.
12:16:23 <chris> oops
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12:22:04 <chris> jvapr27: my suggestion is to run a report in your KMM with fake (but realistic) data, put it up as as a bug request for enhancement, or gnucash-devel mailing list. Also include the KMM report options for selecting accounts/dates etc. Then we can try help you. Generally we don't really care how the competition is doing, because frankly they are far behind
12:23:46 <jvapr27> interesting..
12:23:46 <gncbot> jvapr27: Sent 7 minutes ago: <chris> my suggestion is to run a report in your KMM with fake (but realistic) data, put it up as as a bug request for enhancement, or gnucash-devel mailing list. Also include the KMM report options for selecting accounts/dates etc. Then we can try help you. Generally we don't really care how the competition is doing, because frankly they are far behind
12:25:00 <jvapr27> chris: you should really look at competition... Not sure they are behind. Overall Gnucash is nice.. If it had the same nice reports as KMM, Gnucash is better. But having a bunch of data is not good if I can't get good reports out of it.
12:26:27 <chris> sorry, my/our primary interest in gnucash is for my own needs, and to this matter it fits the bill perfectly... we can try help others if they are stuck, and improve the program to help them... but i seriously have no interest in making gnucash 'keep up with the jones'
12:28:28 <jvapr27> oh wow..
12:29:10 <jvapr27> Yeah, not trying to start a comparison battle. But I do wonder, don't you ever want to see how much your car maintenance is increasing or decreasing each year?
12:29:39 <jvapr27> Like compare values of accounts(car maintenance or Groceries) year over year.. how do you do that in GnuCash today?
12:29:52 <jvapr27> The best I found was to run the expense chart report, then ask for the table to show..
12:30:05 <jvapr27> The draw back there is that the accounts are in the column sections, not row..
12:30:20 <jvapr27> So then it only shows the top 8 default, 24 max, accounts.
12:30:44 <chris> ^ correct best way so far, there's a pending report being prepared and not complete yet, called 'multicolumn balance sheet & income/expense report' that may be completed in 6-12 months
12:30:55 <jvapr27> ah... !!!!!
12:31:05 <jvapr27> yes. that sounds like it may be good!
12:31:52 <chris> ok still do please submit screenshots/report snippets for ideas on gnucash-devel
12:32:45 <jvapr27> But seriously, I've heard KMM may add business support ( I still don't like their Categories ideas, vs GnuCash, and fundamental accounting principles, accounts). their reports are nice and ready to go, although their account entry is not easy like GnuCash( I can do everything from keyboard in Gnucash)
12:33:19 <jvapr27> I also saw online that GnuCash will write to a DB(sqlite)
12:34:13 <jvapr27> If we had this, with a javascript environment using charts like flot.js or others... we could create reports easier..
12:34:38 <warlord> You can use SQLIte now
12:34:47 <jvapr27> I know no one wants to change from Scheme. Not sure why, but let's go with it, but there are lots of great js libraries for charting now.
12:34:50 <jvapr27> how?
12:34:55 <warlord> File -> Save As
12:34:57 <jvapr27> On an existing gnucash file?
12:35:01 <jvapr27> tried that.
12:35:04 <jvapr27> xml is the only option
12:35:05 <warlord> Then choose SQLite
12:35:09 <jvapr27> version 3.3 here.
12:35:14 <warlord> What OS/Distro?
12:35:47 <jvapr27> Linux: Fedora: KDE
12:36:00 <jvapr27> I just moved to KDE from Gnome.
12:36:08 <jvapr27> (that is another story :) )
12:36:31 <jvapr27> but part of why I even looked at KMM
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12:37:55 <jvapr27> I was a happy user of GnuCash until I opened KMM, used their GnuCash importer.. (wow.. awesome).. and then wanting to have a report like mentioned above.. i went to the reports section and the first report I clicked on BAM!!!! perfectly formatted.. you can even click on the Chart button and flip back and forth between chart/table data
12:38:29 <chris> submit an RFE
12:38:40 <jvapr27> But no business functionality(not using it right now.. but want to in the future)
12:38:42 <chris> aka 'be involved' in the gnucash effort
12:38:47 <jvapr27> I want to..
12:39:20 <jvapr27> my next question.. I saw on some notes.. that GnuCash is moving some things to c++
12:39:57 <warlord> jvapr27: yeah, the core library is moving from C / glib to C++/boost
12:40:09 <warlord> The longer-term goal is a DB-based app.
12:40:35 <warlord> Hmm, fedora comes with DBI; maybe you don't have the SQLIite DBD Driver installed?
12:40:57 <jvapr27> yeah, the only thing Chris.. I moved to KDE because Gnome keep changing and their whole mentality is that the devs know better than the users. (refuse to listen to user feedback.. i understand that sometimes you have too... ). I have not run into it in the Gnome sections.. but comments like this: "chris: sorry, my/our primary interest in gnucash is for my own needs," really discourage pe
12:40:59 <jvapr27> ople..
12:41:45 <jvapr27> I see and notice that in the Gnome world.. if you don't like it.. fork the code and start your own project.. so we end up with 1 million calculators..
12:41:57 <chris> well i seriously don't have time for a long conversation - after all this is my spare time and going to sleep
12:41:59 <warlord> jvapr27: KDE is based on Qt which has a company behind it. GnuCash is a 100% volunteer effort, so developers scratch their own itches.
12:42:06 <jvapr27> Where the KDE guys, in general, seem more welcoming and inclusive to ideas.
12:42:09 <warlord> But here, at least, we DO listen to our users.
12:42:21 <jvapr27> That is now.
12:42:26 <jvapr27> nice*
12:42:37 <jvapr27> oh gn Chris! Thanks for your efforts btw!
12:42:39 <warlord> I can't comment about Gnome -- we're not technically part of Gnome.
12:42:46 <warlord> Good night, chf
12:42:50 <warlord> chris
12:42:51 <warlord> ... grr
12:43:03 <jvapr27> right.. I understand.
12:43:12 <jvapr27> c++ boost.. i really want to get into that.
12:43:23 <chris> (1) a lot of gnucash is volunteer driven therefore have variable quality code, needing cleaning up (2) a lot of user requests are not compatible with existing code e.g. "web interface" (3) no one does it as a full time job
12:43:36 <chf> Never mind, warlord, good night nonetheless.
12:44:09 <chf> In which time zone are you, chris?
12:44:28 <chris> (4) gnucash keeps growing over 20 years for a good reason -- and tools from that time are still being used now because they stood the test of time, but also need sharpening...
12:44:32 <chris> GMT+8 here
12:44:44 <warlord> chf: I'm not going to bed -- chris is ;)
12:45:14 <jvapr27> oh..I figured people want to keep gnucash on the scheme reporting engine..
12:45:17 <chf> I know, that's why I asked for his TZ.
12:45:21 <warlord> indeed -- I wrote GnuCash's business features in 2001 because I needed some. :)
12:45:41 <jvapr27> but it sounds like gnucash is using scheme from lack of developers to change it.
12:45:47 <jvapr27> oh wow
12:45:50 <jvapr27> cool!
12:46:07 <jvapr27> That is awesome.
12:46:20 <warlord> GnuCash has been using scheme since before I came to the program in the late 1990s.
12:46:35 <warlord> We have been slowly extracting the scheme pieces and converting them to other languages..
12:46:50 <warlord> BUt some parts still remain, because:
12:46:53 <warlord> a) they work
12:46:53 <warlord> b) they are LARGE
12:46:57 <warlord> c) rewriting them is HARD
12:47:10 <jvapr27> I see. Do you all use Gnome as the your DE?
12:47:17 <warlord> And the "if it aint broke, don't fix it" rule applies, especially with limited resources.
12:47:19 <jvapr27> I assume yes.. but want to confirm.
12:47:22 <warlord> Nope.
12:47:24 <jvapr27> Right.
12:47:26 <jvapr27> oh, what do you use?
12:47:27 <warlord> I use Xfce
12:47:33 <jvapr27> Ok.
12:47:35 <chris> d) lots of *very* grateful users expect the reports to work exactly as they expect for decades
12:47:46 <jvapr27> Yup.. I understand that too..
12:47:56 <jvapr27> don't break what works.. and don't change what has worked..
12:48:21 <jvapr27> I am just wondering if I am looking at my finances all wrong..
12:48:52 <jvapr27> lol. I am wanting to be able to see increases and decreases and be able to quickly see a report where the increase is.. within each account.
12:49:02 <jvapr27> But maybe no one else needs that..
12:49:27 <jvapr27> So maybe all is good and I am just dumb.
12:49:58 <chris> you can always run the Transaction Report; source - "expenses" click 'select children', primary-sortkey = account, secondary-sortkey=date, secondary-subtotal=month/year; display/subtotal-table=true
12:50:04 <chris> and presto
12:50:35 <jvapr27> Chris.. please don't take any of my comments as not being grateful! GnuCash has been great and the existing reports are great! It has helped me practice the accounting material I learned in college.. and see it in practice.
12:50:45 <jvapr27> I appreciate all of it.
12:51:00 <jvapr27> whoa.. let me try it..
12:51:00 <chris> np
12:51:02 <jvapr27> one sec..
12:53:42 <jvapr27> Whoa!!!
12:54:32 <jvapr27> Haha :) :)
12:54:36 <jvapr27> That is great!
12:54:48 <jvapr27> yes, that is basically what I need! ...
12:55:15 <jvapr27> now to work on the formatting... I keep hearing about CSS somewhere and I have not found it.. but need to do more googling
12:55:31 <jvapr27> That is great Chris! Thanks my friend!
12:55:39 <chris> you're welcome
12:56:21 <jvapr27> Still a couple things missing.. but way better than what I was doing. ( I was doing the multicolumn thing adding each year but it was hard to compare numbers as each year had slightly different accounts)
12:57:56 * chris night all
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13:39:09 <finster> quick poll: do you have/prefer one gnucash book spanning multiple years or do you create one book per year?
13:40:24 <warlord> finster: I've got one book with all my data
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14:36:34 <jvapr27> yes.. I have one book for all data
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16:08:00 <g38> hello. since a recent gnucash update, the arrow key hasn't been behaving in the usual way. when for the description of a transaction, I type the beginning of something that gnucash already knows, it displays the full string, the rest of the string being selected/highlighted. I would like to just move the cursor to the end of the string. I used to be able to do this by typing 'right arrow' or maybe shift+'right arrow'. Now right
16:08:00 <g38> arrow and shift+right arrow do nothing or strange things. What are they supposed to do and how am I supposed to proceed?
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16:32:12 <fell> g38: I believe, it is alread reported in bugzilla.
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16:36:19 <fell> i.e. https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796875
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16:56:34 <g38> cool thanks
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17:40:01 <fell> jralls, since a few days I get: CMake Warning: Manually-specified variables were not used by the project:
17:40:32 <fell> CMAKE_RULE_MESSAGES; CMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE
17:41:59 <fell> oops the latter is behind: -- Build files have been written to:...
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