2018-10-18 GnuCash IRC logs

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02:28:44 <gjanssens> .
02:38:24 <fell> Hooie
02:44:28 <gjanssens> Hi
02:45:22 <fell> Still trying to steal my contributors? ;-)
03:14:42 <gjanssens> :D
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03:50:26 <chris> are javadoc-style @param and @url useful in .scm code? are they actually being used somewhere?
03:53:49 <chris> hmm looks like they're used from .c/.h but not from .scm to produce doxygen... could this possibly be enabled?
03:53:58 <chris> (not that I need it)
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03:56:48 <gjanssens> chris: does doxygen support guile ?
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03:58:33 <chris> no idea..... but i see some @param sometimes in .scm which makes me wonder if someone was hopeful
03:59:42 <chris> https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/tree/maint-category-barchart progress so far
03:59:47 <gjanssens> Ah ok
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04:59:29 <fell> Programming languages supported by Doxygen include C,[8] C++, C#, D, Fortran, IDL, Java, Objective-C,[9] Perl,[10] PHP,[11] Python,[12][13] Tcl and VHDL.[14] Other languages can be supported with additional code.
05:04:48 <fell> Also in http://www.doxygen.org/helpers.html I don't see anything LISP like.
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06:41:15 <fell> chf: Ich sehe gerade Kasse in WoWi unter Forderungen, hätte sie aber unter Umlaufvermögen erwartet, ebenso Bankguthaben.
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08:55:04 <chf> fell, der ist ungewohnt gegliedert, wenn man die SKR kennt.
08:55:35 <fell> Aber das soll so sein?
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08:56:34 <chf> Klasse 2 sind Geld-Forderungen, also auch Guthaben bei Banken.
08:57:05 <chf> Klasse 1 sind zum Verkauf bestimmte Bauten und Waren.
08:57:59 <chf> Klasse 0: Anlagevermögen = Bauten zum Vermieten.
08:59:17 <fell> Gut, wnn die soviel Platz für Bauten etc. brauchen, dann hat das wohl seine Richtigkeit.
09:01:30 <chf> „27 Flüssige Mittel“, da ist das drunter. Das brauchen die für Kapitalgesellschaften, sowas wie die berüchtigte Annington, wie heißt die gleich momentan?
09:05:21 <fell> Tja, da haben viele Gemeinden ihre Gemeinützigen versilbert, weil keine Kernaufgabe, und wundern sich dann das die Mieten steigen.
09:09:30 <chf> Der NRW-Landeskontenrahmen ist grob ähnlich aufgebaut.
09:10:53 <fell> Ist das Land schon so tief in die "Dopik" vorgedrungen?
09:10:56 <chf> Da wird jetzt wieder falsch gegengesteuert mit Regulierungswahn, der dazu führt, daß die kleinen an die großen verkaufen.
09:11:32 <chf> Ja, von der Uni Duisburg habe ich da was gefunden.
09:12:34 <fell> Ach, meinst du diese Splittergruppe in der "Grooßen Koalition"?
09:13:42 <fell> Es ist traurig, was übrig geblieben ist von Wiily Brandts "Mehr Demokratie wagen".
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09:28:15 <chf> Das ist alles schwer zu erklären, sind keine einfachen Zusammenhänge.
09:28:37 <chf> Beispiel „Mietpreisbremse“…
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14:30:24 <jralls> fell: I'm often tempted to remove the low-string translations but haven't yet given in. What do you think about them?
14:31:20 <fell> low-string?
14:36:05 <fell> jralls: what do you mean with "low-string translations"?
14:37:20 <jralls> Those like AZ that translate only a few strings either because the original effort was lacking or because they were last translated 15 years ago.
14:37:52 <jralls> They're highlighted in red on the TP project page.
14:39:56 <fell> What happens if I run with LANGUAGE es_NI:es for the strings not in es_NI, but in es?
14:40:33 <fell> do I get english or castilian espanol?
14:41:36 <jralls> You should get the msgstr from es.po.
14:42:27 <fell> I just tested it. it is almost all in spanish.
14:43:39 <fell> like for en_GB you can overwrite a bunch of strings. Nice feature!
14:46:18 <fell> So for regional derived languages the number of entries is no criterium.
14:47:57 <fell> Do we have any benefit from removing them?
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14:50:18 <fell> I have the hope, if somebody sees, it is partial translated, they consider to start to complete the translation. While when it is pure English, they have probably no idea, translation is possible.
14:50:26 <jralls> A fair point, but AFAIK AZ isn't a regional derived language, though since it a Turkic language I suppose users could fall back on that for most of the strings.
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14:52:26 <jralls> Well, there's a problem that some of the TP teams raise a pretty high bar to new translators. We've had issues in the last couple of years with both the Arabic and Simplified Chinese teams.
14:53:11 <fell> I remember the ar story.
14:55:26 <fell> Do you think, they have pending translation?
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15:04:38 <jralls> Um, who? We resolved that one by firing the TP AR team and taking the Egyptian translation.
15:06:42 <jralls> The simplified Chinese guy was a drive-by, so I just let it go. But zh_CN isn't on the project page anymore, so maybe I should merge the PR anyway.
15:06:44 <fell> Yes, I think, that is the right way. if a translator is not happy with the team, we can declare it external.
15:08:30 <jralls> The problem with the AR team was that they didn't want to work on the GnuCash translation and they didn't want the Egyptians to, either. They were just being obstructive.
15:09:38 <jralls> The zh_CN team were trying to recruit the guy who made the PR but he didn't want to commit to being on a team. I'm totally sympathetic to that.
15:10:01 <fell> zh_CN seems to be last updated for 2.3.14. IMHO we should take any update.
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15:18:20 <fell> on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/i18n-zh is an update
15:25:16 <jralls> That's a strange way to submit a translation.
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15:27:32 <fell> Yeah, it didn't follow TPs rules as the other are all sent from th TPbot
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15:38:33 <jralls> I've downloaded the file, it has 94 new msgstrs including 57 fixed fuzzies from the one in the PR. I'll email the author (it's in the Last Translator line) and ask him if it's OK for me to apply it outside of the TP.
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15:45:10 <fell> Good idea
16:10:32 <fell> jralls or gjanssens, can you point me, where to search for the untranslated button texts, which hauptsignal detected?
16:11:32 <fell> They are translated, at least in de and pt, but appear untranslated while running the program.
16:29:20 <jralls> fell: What line in de.po?
16:31:31 <fell> Wait. open edit, new, delete account inth CoA ...
16:33:45 <fell> gnucash/gnome/gnc-plugin-page-account-tree.c:361
16:34:56 <fell> section starting in de:2397
16:39:33 <jralls> Take a look at gnc-plugin-page-account-tree.c. The strings are tagged with N_ in an array but the array isn't actually used.
16:42:06 <fell> gnc.plugin.c 277, I believe they get used
16:44:34 <jralls> Right, searched for the wrong string. So that line should be ```gtk_action_set_short_label (action, _(toolbar_labels[i].label)) to actually perform the message lookup.
16:47:57 <fell> yep, that was it!
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18:45:09 <chris> would be keen to know if a rewritten price-calculator is actually any faster https://github.com/christopherlam/gnucash/tree/maint-price-calculator - tight scheme loops
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