2018-09-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:14:08 <chris> meanwhile it would be good for a core dev to review #316 now - not only the visual result, but the api changes and how they will be frozen if merged in
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11:09:34 <WebManOfFesto> Problem Importing GnuCash Android Transactions into GnuCash Linux Ubuntu
11:09:38 <WebManOfFesto> I'm trying to use GnuCash Linux and GnuCash Android. I'm having trouble importing transactions, exported out of GnuCash Android as CSV. I seem to have a date format problem.
11:09:40 <WebManOfFesto> - Android GnuCash seems to use yyyy/mm/dd (that's what I see when I open the exported CSV in a text editor)
11:09:42 <WebManOfFesto> and
11:09:44 <WebManOfFesto> - GnuCash Linux seems to use mm/dd/yyyy (that's what I see when I view any transaction). I know the two need to match. How do I do that? I don't see the setting in either software. I would prefer to make the change in the Android GnuCash, but I mostly just want to get this working.
11:09:48 <WebManOfFesto> I'm using the handy GnuCash import transactions wizard.
11:09:50 <WebManOfFesto> File / Import / Import Transactions from CSV.
11:09:52 <WebManOfFesto> Select File
11:09:54 <WebManOfFesto> OK
11:09:56 <WebManOfFesto> The import wizard displays the transactions which I want to import correctly in YYYY-MM-DD format. The "Date Format" wizard menu is default set for y-m-d. (Changing that to m-d-y didn't help.)
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11:18:52 <WebManOfFesto> I get the error message: "There are problems with the import settings. The date format could be wrong or there are not enough columns set."
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11:55:02 <jralls> fell, gjanssens: The jump in the Win32 bundle size is due to c817132 in gnuceash-docs, but it didn't actually do anything until I made Windows build the right documentation branch.
11:55:35 <jralls> fell, gjanssens: The change was to include the illustrations.
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12:09:00 <fell> jralls: thanks, I remember.
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12:12:34 <warlord> WebManOfFesto: are you sure you have enough columns set?
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13:20:26 <gjanssens> WebManOfFesto: what version of gnucash ?
13:20:53 <gjanssens> jralls: thanks. I suspected it was something like that
13:21:46 <gjanssens> WebManOfFesto: does your csv file have a header line and have you configured the importer to skip it ?
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14:03:59 <jralls> chris: Do you have any comment on https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796861 or https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796862? Christoff has submitted his proposed changes as part of the latest rev of https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/pull/404.
14:04:17 <jralls> Sigh. s/Christoff/Christoph/
14:04:42 <chris> s/christoph/carsten
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14:05:16 <chris> my view -> technically right, practically not that useful... all that will be eradicated with html-chart upgrade
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14:06:29 <jralls> chirs: Carsten submitted the bug, Christoph Holterman the PR.
14:07:07 <jralls> chris^
14:07:10 <chris> gnufibux = carsten i'm sure
14:08:00 <jralls> Eh, you're right, I'm getting the PRs scrambled, sorry.
14:08:41 <chris> seems dead motivated to fix api in the same way i'm motivated to fix reports ;)
14:10:02 <jralls> Whatever the motivation, it gets more under test. All good IMO. I guess I should merge his two and then your 316 and see what breaks. ;-)
14:10:08 <chris> so, overall these small defaults changes are harmless... and in practice of zero benefit because all reports will always change default colour
14:10:18 <chris> ah 404 will not like 316 at all
14:10:55 <chris> these 2 color-default changes will be obliterated by 316
14:11:50 <jralls> Will that make his tests fail? Or is the API deleted (I thought you'd found a way around that)?
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14:12:54 <chris> well 316 will make default colors '() or something... i didn't care to check because reports change them anyway. his tests tests raw html which i think is silly.
14:14:42 <jralls> Eh, I can see that both ways: After all, it's the raw html that gets passed to the renderer. OTOH there are lots of different ways to write html that produces the same result so his tests are a bit brittle.
14:17:21 <chris> very much so. my tests always tests a small part of html output, it tests exactly the row/col of html-table that i'm influencing.
14:17:50 <chris> so overall the page may be completely changed; as long as the html-table is fine, my tests will pass
14:18:17 <chris> meanwhile i'm redoing net-charts...
14:19:06 <chris> so, to carsten, i'd like to kindly step in and ask for a review of my proposed api instead.
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14:22:42 <chris> just wondering if you've built and tried 316 so far? i think it's visually nice and the urls are a nice feature, but there are still rough edges
14:23:42 <chris> my concern still remains whether the html-chart api should aim for maximum compatibility with old-api, or aims for close mapping with chartjs api
14:25:33 <jralls> Just doing the build on 316 (on top of 391 and 404) now. Might be interesting. ;-)
14:26:41 <chris> expect ctest borking!
14:26:45 <jralls> I see that 316 rips out gnucash/report/jqplot. Is that because you managed to abstract away the jqplot API?
14:26:55 <chris> sure ^_^
14:27:10 <chris> with visually very similar charts
14:30:19 <jralls> Surprisingly only 4 of the test-report-jqplot tests fail.
14:31:04 <chris> sure, the rendering ones only
14:31:22 <chris> the first 4 ones are api which is unchanged
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14:43:15 <jralls> Hmm, unfortunately I tried a net-worth line chart and it crashed the report (not GnuCash) with ERROR: Throw to key `vm-error' with args `(vm-run "VM: Stack overflow" ())'.
14:43:46 <chris> i think its due to my surgical undo.
14:44:41 <chris> may i suggest, if my WIP net-charts is not ready for 3.3, revert 941acee04 for 3.3
14:45:11 <chris> i'm building a new process-datelist which is meant to be much faster
14:48:12 <gjanssens> Why is 316 targetted for maint ?
14:48:28 <gjanssens> It changes the guts of the charting system
14:48:43 <gjanssens> I'm pretty uncomfortable with that at this point I'm afraid
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14:49:08 <jralls> chris: Still crashes with that commit reverted.
14:49:08 <gjanssens> The old api is still around but if I understand correctly that's only for *custom* reports still depending on it
14:49:57 <jralls> gjanssens: chris hoped that the new charting backend would be more stable and faster. Seems not to be the case.
14:50:00 <chris> hmm thanks for testing, didn't get a crash on my 316 so far, so it's not ready
14:50:19 <gjanssens> Indeed.
14:50:59 <chris> 941acee04 could be reverted for 3.3 in any case; i'm not happy about performance decrease
14:51:08 <chris> unless i finish this new net-charts
14:51:14 <gjanssens> We're working very hard to stabilize the 3 branch. So big refactorings should be damn stable before the could go in maint
14:51:33 <WebManOfFesto> warlord How would I check the number of columns? I'm not sure what that is referring to.
14:52:08 <gjanssens> WebManOfFesto: you need to set at least the following columns: date, account and amount
14:52:32 <gjanssens> Did you tell the importer which column is what ?
14:52:32 <jralls> Refactorings should be stable before they go anywhere, but that's the point of testing and reviewing.
14:52:42 <WebManOfFesto> gjanssens Ubuntu 16.04 Gnome
14:52:44 <WebManOfFesto> GnuCash Linux 2.6.12
14:52:46 <WebManOfFesto> GnuCash Android 2.4.0
14:53:25 <gjanssens> WebManOfFesto: I don't think the 2.6.x csv importer will work very well to import csv files from GnuCash Android
14:53:38 <gjanssens> It's targeted at importing bank statements, which generally have much less information.
14:53:53 <gjanssens> Isn't there qif or ofx export in Gnucash Android ?
14:54:02 <gjanssens> I suspect those will work better.
14:54:35 <gjanssens> When you migrate to gnucash 3.x at some point you can try the csv importer again. It has been greatly improved.
14:55:26 <chris> jralls i guess the net-charts crashed on your huge datafile with 700+ accounts?
14:56:09 <gjanssens> jralls: I know. However with big refactorings like this it's difficult to test all possible combinations
14:56:16 <gjanssens> Or use cases
14:56:42 <jralls> chris: No, it's a small test file.
14:56:54 <gjanssens> Could we consider a tech preview kind of scenario ?
14:57:23 <gjanssens> Where normal users work with the old api and adventurous ones can enable the new api ?
14:57:56 <chris> from my understanding of code, if 316 was stable, it could accept old reports and render with chartjs... afaik chartjs is permissive with its input
14:58:14 <gjanssens> chris: that's what I am trying to avoid
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14:58:59 <chris> mean, custom reports should still render with jqplot?
14:59:12 <gjanssens> I don't want a user of 3.3 reporting one of his reports is not behaving as expected because he's using the code in ways we didn't consider
14:59:21 <chris> ah ok
14:59:46 <gjanssens> chris: *every report* should still render with jqplot unless the user chose to enable the "experimental" chartjs variant
15:00:31 <gjanssens> I understand you are very eager to get your new code in. I can't blame you.
15:00:51 <chris> no it's fine, html-chart was an experiment which quickly grew to be quite a nice charting engine
15:00:52 <jralls> gjanssens: How would we arrange for users to select? Wouldn't it be easier to do a "tech preview" release branch?
15:01:09 <gjanssens> jralls: that could also be an option
15:01:19 <chris> html-bar/line/scatter/pie can still target jqplot, and html-chart can target chartJS.
15:01:31 <gjanssens> chris: ok
15:01:56 <gjanssens> I would like it to be very easy for users to test the new charts and give feedback
15:02:08 <jralls> chris: What would actually use html-chart, then?
15:02:08 <gjanssens> But it should be a deliberate choice
15:02:48 <chris> jralls good question. i'd have to modify net-charts etc to use html-chart and create a new menu item
15:03:54 <gjanssens> net-charts is the rewrite of html-bar/line/scatter/pie to the new charting system ?
15:04:27 <chris> no net-charts is simply net-worth-chart and inc-exp-chart combined
15:04:38 <gjanssens> oh, ok
15:04:39 <chris> still targets bar/line-chart
15:05:34 <chris> I don't know how to enable/disable charting engine for win32/linux builds without command-line-fu
15:05:47 <gjanssens> jralls: a "tech preview" release branch is still a fairly high barrier from the user point of view
15:05:49 <chris> s/charting engine/abstraction
15:06:14 <gjanssens> chris: that's why I think both should be included, but not necessarily be used
15:06:55 <gjanssens> There are two options: either we provide two sets of reports, the old unchanged and a sub-menu "tech preview" with the same reports but adapted for chartjs
15:07:42 <gjanssens> Or you abstract the choice of charting engine and have some kind of command line switch to enable the experimental one
15:07:55 <gjanssens> The first option is probably the easiest to implement.
15:07:58 <chris> agree
15:08:06 <gjanssens> BRB
15:08:20 <jralls> gjanssens: Only on Windows, I think, if you get flatpacks working. One can have as many flatpacks and MacOS app bundles as one wants.
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15:08:48 <chris> i'd create one chartjs for each type pie/bar/scatter/line
15:09:05 <chris> clearly label 'experimental'
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15:11:33 <gjanssens> jralls: of course, but the user has to make the choice to install them, which is the extra barrier I was referring to
15:11:37 <jralls> chris, I think a submenu "Experimental Graphs" would be clearer to the user. Wide menu items don't look very good.
15:12:11 <gjanssens> If it comes as "Experimental" in the app they already have installed it would be easier to play with
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15:12:24 <gjanssens> I'm aiming for getting as much feedback as possible
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15:13:09 <gjanssens> jralls: btw the flatpak (without a 'c') build is now waiting for warlord to set up
15:13:36 <gjanssens> But you're right one can install several flatpaks on one system
15:13:58 * warlord will get to it..
15:14:13 <gjanssens> :) No meant to push you
15:14:23 <jralls> Great. That's for nightlies, right? It shouldn't be too hard to add flatpak generation to the release process as well.
15:14:25 <gjanssens> not*
15:14:42 <gjanssens> Yes that's for nightlies
15:15:08 <gjanssens> I will have to tweak it a bit to do proper release builds. Currently all builds start from git
15:15:32 <gjanssens> Which in theory should give the same end result though
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15:16:36 <gjanssens> I've more or less followed the build-package.ps1 concept and generated a build-package.sh instead
15:16:46 <gjanssens> it takes one parameter: a branch or tag name to build
15:16:59 <gjanssens> for a tag it assumes it's a release build
15:17:14 <gjanssens> But as I said it will still start from git instead of the dist tarball
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15:17:25 <jralls> chris: Looks like the crash in 319 is due to running it from the build directory, so it needs some protection to fail gracefully when it can't find something.
15:17:59 <chris> ah may be due to trying to find chartjs or something
15:21:13 <gjanssens> Oh and about the flatpak builds, they currently are still missing Finance::Quote support
15:21:19 <gjanssens> That's on the todo.
15:23:17 * jralls looks at the scripts...
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15:31:21 <jralls> gjanssens: I don't understand where the building actually happens.
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15:32:40 <gjanssens> jralls: there's a single flatpak-builder command in build_package.sh
15:32:45 <gjanssens> It takes care of everything
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15:33:27 <gjanssens> It will parse the org.gnucash.GnuCash.json manifest file to determine the dependencies and builds them one by one
15:33:36 <gjanssens> It's a bit like jhbuild and gnucash.modules
15:34:16 <gjanssens> Eh that's build_periodic.sh apparently
15:35:29 <gjanssens> I'll rename it. I really meant it to be named build_package.sh
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15:37:49 <jralls> Ah, got it. So to build from tarball the gnucash element in org.gnucash.GnuCash.json would have to change to be a tarball build instead of a git one.
15:40:27 <gjanssens> Indeed
15:41:06 <gjanssens> And in theory we could drop pcre and swig from that json file as well
15:41:44 <gjanssens> The resulting json file could also be pushed to flathub if we decide to take over gnucash maintenance there
15:42:13 <gjanssens> That's what flathub really wants: developers maintaining their flatpak on the flathub infrastructure
15:44:03 <chris> meanwhile i'll amend 316 to add underlying html-chart api, and undo the remapping. i'll add a sample experimental chart of each type.
15:44:17 <jralls> OK. Unfortunately unlike jhbuild there's no way to modulate the build so everything else in the manifest has to be duplicated.
15:44:41 <jralls> chris: OK.
15:47:37 <gjanssens> jralls: yes, indeed.
15:48:29 <gjanssens> That's why the scripts start from a manifest template and fill in the necessary details
15:48:54 <gjanssens> It's *very* primitive right now and will probably need a few more iterations to get better.
15:49:02 <gjanssens> Or more flexible.
15:50:00 <gjanssens> I decided to upload each manifest file together with the flatpak builds so consumers can discover what exact manifest was used for which build
15:50:31 <gjanssens> Reading the flatpak documentation (which is a bit sparse) I found this is probably not needed as flatpak stores it somewhere in the repo
15:50:57 <gjanssens> I have not figured out yet how to retrieve it from there though.
15:55:42 * gjanssens will sign off for tonight...
15:56:29 <jralls> OK, Good night.
15:56:38 <chris> nite!
15:56:39 <gjanssens> Bye
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16:33:38 <chris> whoa net-charts-optimize finally runs! now need to bugfix
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16:35:27 <GlacialSpain> me
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16:39:25 <chris> jralls back to sleep. please try christopherlam/maint-net-charts if you have time to test net-charts on a huge datafile. it should be much faster. still have to bugfix. this is based on current maint so shouldn't crash!
16:39:57 <jralls> chris: OK, in a bit. Goodnight!
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16:43:49 <chris> well still buggy i know but hopefully it's running so bugfix should be easy
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